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HQ
Weirdboy 55p (More Waaaghs for the dakkajet)

Troops
20 Orkboyz with Sluggas 1 Big Shoota, 1 Rokkit and Nob with PK. 170p.

20 Orkboyz with Sluggas 2 Rokkits and Nob with BC. 155p.

Fast Attack.
Ork dakkajet with extra supa shoota. 120p.

Please share your thoughts.

Less boys, more deffkoptas as wingmen for the dakkajet! (If you want a hardcore ArrerForz like my entire army has been themed around for the past 3 years.

Your point being what? Reserved coming in with 18 Shots killing 10.4 Necrons ie 135p or so.

Again against other things it still slaughters things and it vets a save if I move 36' it's cheap_ish.

In small pt games, you need numbers. The Dakkajet is viable if you can use it to take down an enemy transport.

Yes your dakkajet can output a lot of power but it also can go down pretty easily. Don't forget we are talking about a AV10 all around. And since it is the only real threat in your army I just have to shoot that on turn one and pretty much control the rest of the game.

Since when are 40 boyz no threat?
Can you post your list? I reckon I outnumber you and since I will almost always have a 4+ SV you'd find it rough.

Unless your running some WAAC list designed to beat Orks then 40 Orks is nothing to scoff at.

This list is intended to win have a theme and accord with fluff.

I'm not sure about the heavy weapons I like rokkits but it lowers CC output and swallows 30p. Any other idea for more AT, or are rokkits still my best bet?

InquisitorVaron wrote:Since when are 40 boyz no threat?
Can you post your list? I reckon I outnumber you and since I will almost always have a 4+ SV you'd find it rough.

Unless your running some WAAC list designed to beat Orks then 40 Orks is nothing to scoff at.

This list is intended to win have a theme and accord with fluff.

I'm not sure about the heavy weapons I like rokkits but it lowers CC output and swallows 30p. Any other idea for more AT, or are rokkits still my best bet?

40 boyz are no threat when you can out-run them.

Your Dakkajet is able to pump out a tonne of shots yes, but a TL-Scatter laser from a wave serpent can shoot it out of the sky and remove the only mobile threat in your army.

Orks excel at 500pt games due to the number of bodies they can put on the field: "Boyz before Toyz" remember.

Iranna.

InquisitorVaron wrote:Since when are 40 boyz no threat?
Can you post your list? I reckon I outnumber you and since I will almost always have a 4+ SV you'd find it rough.

Unless your running some WAAC list designed to beat Orks then 40 Orks is nothing to scoff at.

This list is intended to win have a theme and accord with fluff.

I'm not sure about the heavy weapons I like rokkits but it lowers CC output and swallows 30p. Any other idea for more AT, or are rokkits still my best bet?

You can see my list on different post around dakka dakka. At 500pts I have three variations I would normally run, either two full squads of shootas with nob and big mek with kff, or three killa kans, one defdread, one big mek and one unit of ten boyz, or for the fun nobz on bike leaded by a warboss. I would win most of the time with the first two. With the first list I can kill on average 16 boyz without cover. If you had brought any vehicle with AV>10 I would be in trouble with my first list. The way it is if I go first I could probably win with loosing any unit if I was lucky on turn one.
Problem with your 40 boyz is they will be footslogging across the table with a shooting range of 12 inches so I will never let you get into close combat and will outshout from the distance. Plus the only real threat to my vehicles will be your claws. So I agree 40boyz are a threat if I can't avoid them the way it is at the moment I eliminate your only threat first turn and then shoot the crap out of you until you loose your fearless status and start running out of the table.

I'm not going to be rushing you with my boyz. It would be plain to see I would get shot up.

I would just shoot from afar with my two Big shootas and Dakkajet. (I've dropped a rokkit so now have an extra 5P)

The second list would be flattened if the Kanz don't habe rokkits. The first list would be a close game.
Either way what would you change that still holds the theme and fluff?

The main problem is that the dakkajet is a AV10 that cost 120p. At 500pts that is 24% in a unit that can be shoot with infantry weaponry. If you want to play just for fun try and see how it works. If I wanted to take planes at 500pts in a non competitive environment I would take:
HQ
Big Mek with KFF 85pts
Troops
10xboyz shoota with Nob PK
10xboyz shoota with Nob PK
FA
Ork dakkajet. 110p.
Ork dakkajet 110p.

But like I said I can see this being fun but far from competitive. the idea is to use the KFF to protect your planes. You have two as well now so more target saturation. Hide the boyz in terrain if playing objective games. Problem is I have not seen the model yet and not sure you can place its hull within 6'' of the big mek base

Gaining only three more shots (six on the waaagh) and losing 20 Orks.
I do gain a 4+ SV but the dakkajet is to fast to stay within the range and turbo boosting gives me a save and makes me impossible to hit.

I can still shoot a weapon also.

I'm trying to get competetive but keep the fun planes and theme? I like my list just trying to find it's flaws and brainstorm new ideas

InquisitorVaron wrote:Gaining only three more shots (six on the waaagh) and losing 20 Orks.
I do gain a 4+ SV but the dakkajet is to fast to stay within the range and turbo boosting gives me a save and makes me impossible to hit.

I can still shoot a weapon also.

I'm trying to get competetive but keep the fun planes and theme? I like my list just trying to find it's flaws and brainstorm new ideas

It all sounds very good on paper. Problem is you either turbo boost or you shoot you can't get both. Like I said what you are asking is pretty much impossible. Since it is almost impossible to stay competitive when you are building an army around a single unit of AV10 that costs almost 25% of your whole army. The list I suggested was more of a back sitting list and then on the last turn turbo boosting to objectives.

Tau player, if we are playing objective then you've lost. You're also forgetting I can shoot and move you'd have to remain 18' away at all time and eventually I will catch them.

The dakkajet would be reserved then come in a waagh dakka the two crisis suits or if you join the commander to a unit.

I would kill both gaining back my points. It would be a close game, not the walk over you suggest.

I see, then the question to ask is how do I make it more competetive than it is currently, whilst keeping the jet..

Oh dear...Please, don't make him change his list again...It took long enough to get him to stick on it...

It wouldn't make that much trouble, the core bit I've got to paint is the same.
Anyway how about some Lootas?

Uh, sounds good to me, but I know fark all about Ork tactics. Still, it sounds ok. Derp.

Derp? Anyway I've dropped on of the rokkits for a big shoota and RPJ on the Dakkajet because of me re-reading the RPJ rules.

With the modification of the RPJ you can change your initial list to:
+++ No Name (500pts) +++
+++ 500pt Orks 5th Ed (2008) Roster (Standard) +++

Selections:

+ HQ + (55pts)

* Weirdboy (55pts)


+ Troops + (320pts)

* Ork Boyz (160pts)
* 20x Boy
20x Shootas
* Nob
Bosspole, Power Klaw

* Ork Boyz (160pts)
* 20x Boy
20x Shootas
* Nob
Bosspole, Power Klaw

+ Fast attack + (125pts)
* Dakkajet (125pts)
Supashoota
RPJ


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