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Hello all,

I recently started building a Kan wall for my orks... I have all the kans and deff dreads, but I was unsure of what to use as my HQ choice, so I decided to ask you guys for your opinion. Comments and suggestions are very welcome. right now I am leaning in the direction of one of each... But please let me know what you think.

Kan wall you will need two KFF to cover for your kans plus additional Dreads. It would be good to take a Shock attack but it is simply not a possibility since you need the 4+ cover save more than your life.

Bacms wrote:Kan wall you will need two KFF to cover for your kans plus additional Dreads. It would be good to take a Shock attack but it is simply not a possibility since you need the 4+ cover save more than your life.

Thanks, I must have forgotten to mention that I have Dreads in this army , but I do.

I concur with the above. You want 9 kanz mostly with rockets, 2 kffs and 2 large mobs of boyz(nob with klaw and pole) as a base.
Then add stuff that helps for higher points totals.

You can not get that many kanz within a single mek, any less kans and suddenly the wall becomes fairly manageable for most armies.

MFletch wrote:I concur with the above. You want 9 kanz mostly with rockets, 2 kffs and 2 large mobs of boyz(nob with klaw and pole) as a base.
Then add stuff that helps for higher points totals.

You can not get that many kanz within a single mek, any less kans and suddenly the wall becomes fairly manageable for most armies.

All right, I think I will buy my KFF meks now...

For the rest of my army... would it be wise to put lootas in for long range, or would their effectiveness of being "can openers" get nullifyed by the massive ammount of rokkit toteing kans?
Yes I am putting in the boys squads, but most likely only with 20 or so boys... I just fear that they will get pounded when attempting to hold objectives, because of there horrendous lack of armour saves... So what do you suggest, (other than boys) to fill the rest of my army?

St8 ap3 rockets and d3 st7 ap4 lootas are going to shoot at different things. So lootas are going to be a good option.

The orks will all have cover saves, as they will behind kans with cover saves that will take time to fall. T4 with 4+(3+ go to ground if need be) cover/inv. save is soft enough, squad of 20 fearless models with that is pretty hard to shoot off an objective.

Deffdreads(counting as troop, [not scoring]) adds more weight to the wall and takes pressure off the kanz, if in general they are not quite as good.

Kommandos with snikrot or deff koptas can work well by operating alone and giving some mobility. Deff koptas charge at the enemy and kill a tank before dying, snikrot moves the enemy away from the edge close to your kans else snikrot will take out whatever is close enough to the edge, it turns out pretty much everything is in the event of a waaagghh[especially with Ghaz. but that is another list].

Other mobile units will struggle as they struggle when alone. Bikers, nob bikers or buggies could be interesting in their own way.

It turns out burnas and nobs are not so great at foot slogging. They are expensive so going slowly so the enemy can move around them is not so great.

Good luck with Waaaaaaaaagggggggghhhhh!!!

Thanks, I have a battle wagon for the nob/burnas... which should I use...

sir william the bold wrote:Thanks, I have a battle wagon for the nob/burnas... which should I use...

Both . I mean seriously you need to field at least two BW for them to work

Just throw the mek on food in a boys squad near all the foot slogging reads and enjoy that 31 wound blob for your mek to hide in. BW is ok, but throw the mek in a BW witha burrna/KFF and enjoy the burny wagon that guards the boys/dreads.

All right da' lads be expendable'

My IG/BT vs my friends Orks watched him blow off his most expensive unit by rolling !!!

I didn't stop for days hahaha!

I love Kan walls. I run mine with 2 KFF's. You really need tha added protection. I have had to split my armor in 2 to cover a bigger area. That second KFF was invalueable.

Not to mention the SAG is not on my list as a viable option. Maybe in Apoch. When I can have any number of HQ's.

This is the list I run. It is a blast to play. It is a bit different then most Kan walls.

Mek: KFF
Mek: KFF

Manz x7: 3x Skorchas
Lootas x15
Lootas x15

Shootas x20: BShoota
-Nob: PK, BP, Bshoota
Shootas x20: BShoota
-Nob: PK, BP, Bshoota
Shootas x20: BShoota
-Nob: PK, BP, Bshoota
Dread: 2x BShootas, Armor, Riggers
Dread: 2x BShootas, Armor, Riggers

Dread: 4x DCCW, Armor, Riggers
Kans x3: Rokkits
Kans x3: Rokkits

I posted my list for help and info only. Please feel free to do with it what you will. but this is a good guideline to what can be do with the list. You can go more of the traditional list by adding 3 more Kans in there instead of the Dread. I am one of the only people on here that use the Meganobs in my wall. I love them and I do believe they fit very well in the list. Anyways, Goodluck and hope you have a fun time playing and building this list.

Hey, thanks for the list I might use some of that! Although in my experience Dreads don't work as well as Kans... but they do make a useful troops choice for captureing objectives.

Um, no they can not capture objectives. They are vehicles and vehicles can not hold objectives, even if they are troops.

Really? Well what do you use them for, as I said before they always seem to slow to get in CC where they excel...

sir william the bold wrote:Really? Well what do you use them for, as I said before they always seem to slow to get in CC where they excel...

That is the reason why you don't seem them being used most of the time. They still support the objective though.

sir william the bold wrote:Really? Well what do you use them for, as I said before they always seem to slow to get in CC where they excel...

Yes really. I use them just like I use the Kans. But with extra armor. How are they slow, they move the same as everything else in the army. 6 inches in fact. Mine do pretty well with shooting there 2x BShootas.

Aorry I forgot that you had outfited them with two Big Shootas, mine are pretty much all assault with a flamer and extra CC weapon... but with your load out I can see how they are useful. My Deff Dread is really slow in the game

Ok but they can run. So I am still kinda confused at the fact that you say they are slow. 2 turns maybe 3 and they are in assault. Mind you if they don't get immobilized or something.

But yes mine do like me very well. Nothing like killing a Marine or two in every turn.

Yeah, well I'm sure that they aren't that slow but when I get pulverized by a devastator squad... well it sucks

Yeah, this is true. But if you have cover save should make it a bit easier. The way I see it they are not shooting at your kans. The more important unit. IMHO. Thats why I don't worry about spending alot on the dreads. If they make it thats cool, if not o well they did their job and that was become a target.

I see your point.

ok well the easyer thing to do would be to take 2 KFF however if you play it right you can have 1 and still get everything in its range E.G put it in a long open topped transport and place it side on. this being said it is rather hard to keep everything in range so only do this if you want a challenge but if you do it right it opens up some points for you to use elsewhere hope i gave you a alternet
happy war gameing

Hey, thanks darkworkgaming and welcome to dakka!

See, I love orks but this style of army has just taken them over IMO, the kan wall is very effective and if you builld an army to win you always have the kan wall list in your mind.. but thats just me

madman12367 wrote:See, I love orks but this style of army has just taken them over IMO, the kan wall is very effective and if you builld an army to win you always have the kan wall list in your mind.. but thats just me

What does this mean exactly?

This style has taken over what? The green tide has alwyas been a staple for Orks. Not to many armies can put the number of models on the board like the Orks can. So its hard to not do that. Orks have so many good builds out there. All of whihc have the disadvantages but all competitive in there own way. Do you say the same thing for Marine armies? Because I have seen a metric crap ton of He' stan armies. Seems to be the only build in the Marines codex. What about GK's? How many Crowe list is there out there? A crap ton as well. You see my point.

I ran a 2k battlewagon list yesterday and it just had a really hard time with getting split by terrain and just weight of fire...I'm looking at a kan wall and I can't decide if I want ghazzy or another big mek =[ I'm gonna keep reading but for like balsak's list I don't have the shootas to cover those slots D= so I'm wondering what I can do to make a right propa kan wall XD

Well most use sluggas and just run everything up. I tend to shoot that is why I use Shootas so much. But I think either can work, you would just play it differently then me.


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Well most use sluggas and just run everything up. I tend to shoot that is why I use Shootas so much. But I think either can work, you would just play it differently then me.

sir william the bold wrote:Hey, thanks darkworkgaming and welcome to dakka!

thanks and you are welcome