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Been out of 40k for a while now since work took up most of my life, but got some free time now so want to get back into it.
Previously played daemons, DE and nids, but wanted something different.

Que; Draigowing.

Want a nice small elite army thats able to compete, but small enough that i can go mad converting and painting.
Problem is, ive never seen a 2k list for it, let alone planned out a list or tactics for one.
Any help is appreciated please.
Aiming for a 2k list.

All i know thus far is its small, has a moving gunline and a ton of wound bouncing.
But as of yet, i have no dex so need somewhere to start.

Well, Draigowing is viable at the competitive level. It requires Draigo and 10 Paladins as a core, some Psyfleman Dreads (or Dreadknights) and GKSS.

Thank you for the input

From a rough google search ive pulled this up froma dakka member:

HQ - 490
Lord Commander Kaldor Draigo - 275
Grey Knight Librarian - Warding Staff, 1x Servo Skull - 215
Quicksilver, Sanctuary, Shrouding, Might of Titan, Warp Rift

Troops - 1030
10x Paladins - 2x Hammer (1x MC Psycannon), 4x Halberd (2x MC Psycannon), 4x Sword (1x MC Psycannon), Psybolt - 670
5x Paladins - Banner, 2x MC Halberd (1x Psycannon), 1x MC Sword (1x Psycannon), 1x MC Hammer - 360

Fast Attack - 206
Stormraven Gunship - TL Assault Cannons, TL Multi-Meltas, Searchlight - 206

Heavy Support - 272
Dreadnought - Psybolt, Twin TL Autocannons, Searchlight - 136
Dreadnought - Psybolt, Twin TL Autocannons, Searchlight - 136

1998


Seems pretty nice to me, but im tempted to remove the raven and replace with more bodies.

But for starters, i can see 10 paladins, draigo and a termie libbie as essentials.
So i might order those and a dex for now until i can work on some structure for it.

But for starters, i can see 10 paladins, draigo and a termie libbie as essentials.
So i might order those and a dex for now until i can work on some structure for it.

Yeah, go for the essentials first.

Thanks
Currently got 20 tabs open all with varying builds ive googled lol.
Trying to find the most common place units and structures for them.
Seems psycannons and the stave are a must have for any unit though


Also, 2 rifleman dreads seem to be mandatory too.
Which means i can convert epic warlord titans into them with the help of the quad gun from the aegis defence line kit

The fact that when people ask "Are Grey Knights viable?" all I hear is:

"Hey Dakka. Just coming back to the game for 3rd ed after being out for a bit and I wanted to start a new army. I was thinking about Iron Warriors or Eldrad Seer Council. Are either of those viable?"

probably means I've been playing too long.

To answer your question succinctly: Yup!

I left as they were being released, so the only thing i knew about them really was the odd rumors that had been floating around prior to release lol.

But thanks
Makes a nice change for a small army to be competative.
Last one i remember was belial spam for DA.
Which from what ive seen, is no longer all that effective.
However, it seems people preach about draigo being broken so it seems like a good start.

Personally, I like the Dreadknight and often field two of them. With teleporter and heavy incinerator, these models are quite mean. Draigo could give them scout so that they would be able to reach the enemy front ranks in turn 1 and cause serious havoc.

They do seem to be pretty good, and the only thing i would need to change is the bloody manger on the front of it (into a enclosed cockpit)

Ive also heard about using them for quick shunt moves, seems like a fairly decent option for pushing units off of objectives late in games.

Would also help saturate the fire on the paladins.

Dreadknights: one is nothing, two are good, and three are (almost) overkill. Some armies have a hard time to deal with them, others like DE have some means to kill them quickly. In the latter case, it is better to reserve them and let them outflank, thanks to Draigo's grand strategy which can give them scout).

Thanks again for the help

Being a DE player currently i understand the real issue with poisoned weapons.
The mobile gunline should be able to remove the threat to some degree though.

Venoms could be a real issue and very quickly.

no draigowing isnt viable, I would go with a Tau Kroot Force, thats the top tier list right now.

Draigowing is viable, but somewhat boring in the sense that it isn't very forgiving if the other guy comes up with some of the things that Paladins have no real way to deal with (Eldar Farseers with Mind War, any ordnance weaponry, Sislicus-boosted poisoned weapon shots, the meltagun-spam that seems to be all the rage these days...) and you've pretty much got three types of unit (Paladins, Stormravens, Dreadnaughts). The GK list is new and versatile enough that pretty much every build is somewhat viable; my list is built around multiple small PAGK units with Purgators for fire support and (*gasp*) a generic Grand Master and Inquisitor for HQ, I can hold my own in most situations even though I use units that serious competitive players never mention.

Well, an issue for Draigowing is tank shocking. Multiple tank shocking could cause your precious Paladin squad to break since Paladins are not fearless. For this, I incorporate two GK strike squads in Rhinos that help to limit the movement of enemy tanks.

I would consider waiting until the 6th edition rulebook hits shelves next month. If wound allocation changes, it could significantly impact Draigowing.

Sasori wrote:I would consider waiting until the 6th edition rulebook hits shelves next month. If wound allocation changes, it could significantly impact Draigowing.

In fact, the leaked rulebook made a move in this direction. But its clear if the leaked rules are the right ones.

Smitty0305 wrote:no draigowing isnt viable, I would go with a Tau Kroot Force, thats the top tier list right now.

lol

Draigo is alright but it takes a very competent general to run. You should almost always be outnumbered and mass tank shocks really scare the list. I playtested it out for a while and personally feel that the Dreads are a poor choice in the list and that more bodies are required. I had a bit of success with a list that was as follows:

Draigo
Inquisitor with grenade set and psychic communion
10 Paladins all allocated out with an apothecary and banner
10 Terminators with 2 Psycannons
10 Purifiers with 4 Psycannons

This gave me a bit more bodies and you can use the psychic communions to control when your stuff comes in. I generally outflank the Purifiers in non-objective missions and DS the termies, this forces the opponent to shoot at the Draigo squad (or if you hide nothing at all).
Another variation that I have seen used and played around with involves Draigo + Coteaz in order to grab some cheap scoring units. This also helps give you a proliferation of mech.

Just remember that you will need to abuse BLoS terrain in order to survive. Good luck and as others have warned, if wound allocation changes drastically the army could become much, much worse.

I too am going to run Draigowing...eventually. I have 6 boxes of GK paladins waiting to be built, I'm just waiting to see the 6th ed rule changes on wound allocation...

Thanks for all the comments people, gives me something to read through before making any solid choices.


And to this person:

no draigowing isnt viable, I would go with a Tau Kroot Force, thats the top tier list right now.

Indeed they are;



Tabled the poor guy before the game even started :(

Sasori wrote:I would consider waiting until the 6th edition rulebook hits shelves next month. If wound allocation changes, it could significantly impact Draigowing.

Translation: end it.

Draigowing needs psyflemen to be competitive - otherwise they have no long range shooting. At least 2 psyflemen are a necessity.