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As they are now they are not worth more than $20 usd IMO. So gw charges an insane price for the codex.... And main rule book. I have a solution that warrants a $41usd price tag on a codex...what would be your solution?

Solution 1. Codex is free and people buy more models because rules to play are easily obtainable and there is not extra charges for specific army books.

Solution 2. Codex has more than 1 army covered in a single codex. The would forcefully introduce players to new armies and rules because they buy their army and get another armies rules plus the ones they wanted. This could generate more sales model wise.

you buy
space marine/ ig
Black Templars/ space wolves
Dark angels/ blood angels
Grey knights/ sisters
Orks/tau
Eldar/dark Eldar
Necons/nidS
Chaos sm/ daemons

They could even mix the armies to make a good guy team an bad guy team instead of how I matched them. Possibilities are endless. I'd pay $41usd then if they did this.

This has been discussed over and over and over...

It is not in GW's interest to combine codexes. This has been comolained about with Soace Marines, and this is no solution.

Does no one understand that GW is a business and not a charity?

Hard bound book, about 200 color pages EXCELLENT rules and a digital copy (pdf, iOS, android) Maybe a single model of a new unit in the codex.

Viagrus wrote:Hard bound book, about 200 color pages EXCELLENT rules and a digital copy (pdf, iOS, android) Maybe a single model of a new unit in the codex.

They would charge more because the model would require shrink wrap lol.

I would gladly pay $41 for one if they were hard back and just as well put together as the Fantasy books. Those things are beautiful.

I do agree with SoloFalcon1138 on this though. GW is a business who has a market practically cornered. Why would they do something that would hurt their pockets. Rich get richer, poorer get poorer.

A bundled troop squad would justify it.

I really don't like the color pictures in the new fantasy books. I like my Codexes in black and white, old school style. It brings out more of the grim/dark aesthetic, I think. But hardbound is nice.

vyndetta85 wrote:I would gladly pay $41 for one if they were hard back and just as well put together as the Fantasy books. Those things are beautiful.

I do agree with SoloFalcon1138 on this though. GW is a business who has a market practically cornered. Why would they do something that would hurt their pockets. Rich get richer, poorer get poorer.

Thanks for agreeing with me, but you are losing the point.

This is not a necessity for life, but a hobby. If you like your hobby, you will pay as much as it costs to enjoy it. Don't blame them when material costs increase, requiring price hikes. Someone on anothe thread accused the CEO of using GW as his personal piggy bank. Is that called collecting a paycheck?

Unlike cars, food, health, etc. this is a luxury-based business. Why is it that everyone seems to cry foul when prices increase as if people arengoing to lose their lives? Just purchase slower and more selectively. The economy sucks all over the world, you're nothing special right now...

Kal-El wrote:

Viagrus wrote:Hard bound book, about 200 color pages EXCELLENT rules and a digital copy (pdf, iOS, android in the same vein as the current e-dex) Maybe a single model of a new unit in the codex.

They would charge more because the model would require shrink wrap lol.

Yes. But that's what would justify it for me. Its wishlisting. What would be awesome is if they had different packages of the codex (at according prices) that contained either a model or minimum unit of each new infantry entry in the codex, a model of a new HQ or a previously unreleased HQ, along with just being able to buy the codex as I outlined in my previous post, while adding pictures of the entire range of models for the army in question.


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SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Unlike cars, food, health, etc. this is a luxury-based business. Why is it that everyone seems to cry foul when prices increase as if people arengoing to lose their lives? Just purchase slower and more selectively. The economy sucks all over the world, you're nothing special right now...

Cars are a luxury item. You don't need one to live. They make life easier and allow you do to more(like getting a better paying job farther away) but they are not necessity items like food.

I will agree that people need to stop freaking out over price increases. They will always happen, if you feel it keeps you out of starting a new army there are plenty of other miniatures games out there to play. If you have a relaxed group of people to play with you can use other games' model ranges for any GW game.

Sorry for the tangent.

Pages are laced with Gold and the ink is the blood of a Unicron

Balanced rules might be a good place to start.

kenshin620 wrote:Pages are laced with Gold and the ink is the blood of a Unicron

Dark Energooooooon.



Seriously, though? I don't buy codexes. I get PDFs. They're free, except maybe the pennies that it costs to print out a couple pages if I want them in physical. Because the codexes are ridiculously overpriced, and money spent on the book is less models bought, anyway. The D&D Player's Handbook is £13. About $23. It's a large hardback book that is full of colour and art.

For just under double that? On one book out of potentially several (As I collect Tyranids and Chaos, and then there's the Rulebook itself to think about)? It better be amazing. It better assemble and paint my models for me. It better come with all the bells and whistles, and a price drop on the models because £27 for a flimsy paperback book in (mostly) black and white is freaking ridiculous.

EDIT: About GW being a business; of course. Your points are valid. However, that doesn't mean that have to be so stupid about it. People are getting free PDFs of codexes because they're too expensive! I know, let's make them MORE expensive! That's a great idea!

Having some sort of army builder style functionality would go a long way to improving the value of the new codex. Having each codex "plug in" to the electronic version of the rulebook would also be great because rules could then link to the proper section and you'd get a popup with full text instead of "See Main Rulebook".

If it's going to be hardback, it better be more than 120 pages, and with full color pages as well, not the sepia color junk. Plus I want more army fluff, pictures, painting techniques, lil photos of conversions, etc.
Basically, I want a hobby book with the rules for that army.

As it is now, I'm just getting the 7th edition books for cheap off ebay to play with my lil bro. Can't wait for the chaos warrior 8th edition book so i can get the 7th edition one for him cheap.

Why you no PDF, SaintTom?

SaintTom wrote:Plus I want more army fluff, pictures, painting techniques, lil photos of conversions, etc.
Basically, I want a hobby book with the rules for that army.

I have an old Dwarfs army book that fits into this description perfectly. Why they chose to remove all the interesting parts in later books I do not know. To get people to buy White Dwarf? They removed those parts from White Dwarf too. Maybe to get people to buy their "How to do this and that"-books. Who has ever bought one of those?

Uh, the price IS justified by the contents of the codex? It's comparatively priced for gaming materials (Warmachine books are about the same and contain much less information, I can't think of any other games using army books off the top of my head) and it's something you'll use constantly every game. Compared to the outlay for a new army, it's a relatively inexpensive item.

Compared to, sure. So would be buying a Space Marine Captain Special Character for $50. Would you? I'd hope not.

The Warmachine books are amazingly detailed. They're also hardbacked at that price. Also, with Warmachine, you only need the rulebook, nothing else; every model comes with a card which has all the stats you need. This rulebook is much more fun to read than 40k's, and feels like an adequate use of the money. (I also got it cheap, but whatever)

What you are arguing is that it'd be okay to pay as much as a Land Raider for a set of plastic templates, because relative to the army, that's nothing.

Frozen Ocean wrote:What you are arguing is that it'd be okay to pay as much as a Land Raider for a set of plastic templates, because relative to the army, that's nothing.

lol nope, but nice try.

What I'm arguing is that the rules are essential, non replicable, functional, comparably priced, and come with heaps of background material and lovely pictures of painted models.

I can make a template from a cereal box. Can you make a SM codex from a cereal box?

I can print one to a cereal box.

Only real justification as a consumer is two ideas:

1) hardcover

2)includes PDF ability.


Beyond that its pure greed. PP hardcover army books are $42. Softcover is $32. Both are thicker then a GW army book.

PDF ability isn't enough of a boon to warrant such a price increase, especially given the fact that PDF scans will always be in circulation. For free.

If the stockholders are satisfied with the sales figures, then obviously it's justified.

And I don't mean this sarcastically, that's how it works. If you don't think it's worth the money, don't buy it.

RatBot wrote:
And I don't mean this sarcastically, that's how it works. If you don't think it's worth the money, don't buy it.

Exactly why I don't. But the thread is about what we think would make it worth it, not asking whether it is or not!

Oh. Well, if it was 100% full color, hardback, and contained the amount of content (fluff, scenarios, etc) that some of GW's older Codexes/Army Books had, then it might be, in my opinion.

Well I would like it to have a good solid binding...it should not fall apart from just normal use.

It should have expanded fluff for sub factions (Craftworlds, Successor Chapters etc) as well as showing how to do some conversions. I would also like it to all the updated models (or models WIP shots) for the range, that way you know they are at least being made and not completely in the dark.

Finally I would like them to hire an editor to make sure things are actually worded spelled correctly (long shot I know).

Finally I would like them to higher an editor to make sure things are actually worded spelled correctly (long shot I know).

Irony. I haven't noticed any typos or misspellings in GW books, but I haven't really given one more than a cursory glance in quite some time.

RatBot wrote:

Finally I would like them to higher an editor to make sure things are actually worded spelled correctly (long shot I know).

Irony. I haven't noticed any typos or misspellings in GW books, but I haven't really given one more than a cursory glance in quite some time.

Ya..whoops...point and case they should not pick me for the job. Overall I've been satisfied with the Fantasy books, 40k being the "bigger" game I'm interested to see what they turn out like.

Frozen Ocean wrote:PDF ability isn't enough of a boon to warrant such a price increase, especially given the fact that PDF scans will always be in circulation. For free.

Stop repeatedly promoting piracy. The reason some people buy codexes as they actually want to pay for commercial products they desire to own. Full price is a valid choice, second-hand ebay is another valid choice.

Downloading illegal PDFs and illegally printing them out and not paying for the codex is not.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

This is not a necessity for life, but a hobby. If you like your hobby, you will pay as much as it costs to enjoy it. ...

Uhhhh no that is not correct. Just like any other elastic / unnecessary item people will not just keep paying higher prices. You realize that is why GWs sales volume has fallen off right?

I would say that full color, hard cover, around 200 pages with all the old style hobby stuff and some scenarios would make it worth it to me