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Who would win?

Captain Shrike of the Raven Guard

Versus

Comissar Yarrick and 10 Storm Troopers.


Personally I side with the fast moving and agile Shrike who, although hard fought (hot-shots would hurt him) would tair the eleven humans to feth and back.

Well if we're talking in game terms, the storm troopers ALWAYS have meltaguns so that coupled with Yarrick's power klaw, would probably finish shrike off pretty quick. But if we're talking in fluff terms, Shrike wins because he's a marine captain. Not only is his armor nearly impenetrable (according to some authors), he's also as fast as the fastest eldar (according to some authors). Plus theres the fact that neither Joss Whedon nor George RR Martin write 40k books, there's no chance of an important character like Shrike randomly getting killed by some nobody troopers and a glorified commisar.

Shrike.

He's Raven Guard. Simply aim Drop Pod, of which they use a lot at Yarrick's lads.

Ir just Jump Pack on top of them and butcher.

Or just hide in shadows and execute from range with Bolt Pistol.

Deadshot wrote:Shrike.

He's Raven Guard. Simply aim Drop Pod, of which they use a lot at Yarrick's lads.

Ir just Jump Pack on top of them and butcher.

Or just hide in shadows and execute from range with Bolt Pistol.

He could just throw bolt shells at them, each one killing two storm troopers at once, and then snapping off each blade on the lightning claw to throw at Yarrick like darts before reattaching them and flying off with the Blood Angels.

Yarrick isn't just any human though, he's gone toe-to-toe with Ghazghkull and actually lived to tell the tell.

And whereas that Warboss is capable of killing captains with ease, but we're talking about one of the more capable captains here...

My money is on Yarrick, mainly because he's not just some random human and has ten dudes backing him up. they can at least be used as fodder until Yarrick get's to use his "klaw".

Its like asking "which is better, a power weapon or a plasma gun".

a fat guy wrote:Yarrick isn't just any human though, he's gone toe-to-toe with Ghazghkull and actually lived to tell the tell.

And whereas that Warboss is capable of killing captains with ease, but we're talking about one of the more capable captains here...

My money is on Yarrick, mainly because he's not just some random human and has ten dudes backing him up. they can at least be used as fodder until Yarrick get's to use his "klaw".

This. A badass dude with a powerclaw, with 10 of the most highly trained and equipped soldiers of the Imperium...hmm.

VS Captain Shrike. Shrike wins by Jumping out of shadow and massercring most if not all stormtroopers before they can bring their guns to bear. As for Yarrick? How long does he stand without a head. I am sure a blot shell would look nice just before it blew up.

Maloghurst wrote:Well if we're talking in game terms, the storm troopers ALWAYS have meltaguns so that coupled with Yarrick's power klaw, would probably finish shrike off pretty quick. But if we're talking in fluff terms, Shrike wins because he's a marine captain. Not only is his armor nearly impenetrable (according to some authors), he's also as fast as the fastest eldar (according to some authors). Plus theres the fact that neither Joss Whedon nor George RR Martin write 40k books, there's no chance of an important character like Shrike randomly getting killed by some nobody troopers and a glorified commisar.

The stormtroopers wield weapons capable of penetrating his armor. There's 10 of them, highly elite special forces shock troops, and a commissar who's half bionic who went toe to toe with a warboss *before* he was bionic, and won, then led a world to victory against the mightiest Waaagh's seen...twice.

Deadshot wrote:Shrike.

He's Raven Guard. Simply aim Drop Pod, of which they use a lot at Yarrick's lads.

And they happen to know exactly where they are and are able to aim with extreme precision without any chance of them finding somewhere other than an open field to be and no concept of a giant flaming thing from the sky (they're fast, but not so fast that you can't see them with plenty of warning coming from orbit)?

Ir just Jump Pack on top of them and butcher.

Yes, with 10 of the best human troops the Imperium has and a living legend wielding a Warboss's powerklaw, a stormbolter, and a high powered laser gun for an eye. Sounds like a cakewalk.

Or just hide in shadows and execute from range with Bolt Pistol.

Against a bionic man and 10 well equipped, highly trained troops with night vision equipment?

Deadshot wrote:VS Captain Shrike. Shrike wins by Jumping out of shadow and massercring most if not all stormtroopers before they can bring their guns to bear. As for Yarrick? How long does he stand without a head. I am sure a blot shell would look nice just before it blew up.

And an 8ft tall superman with a jump pack larger than many motorcycles hides in the shadows from special forces troops with night vision equipment...how? Yarrick has a very powerful force shield protecting him, drastically reducing the power of blows against him, and has survived going face to face with an Ork Warboss and then cut off his head...and then was rebuilt to be half metal killing machine.



Methinks people are not really aware of what they are comparing here.

Well I got ninja'd Vaktathi

Hotshot fire pretty quickly and its not inconcievable that 2-3 stormies, including the sargeant and his power sword, and Yarrick will attack Shrike while the rest shoot him.

Vaktathi wrote:

Maloghurst wrote:Well if we're talking in game terms, the storm troopers ALWAYS have meltaguns so that coupled with Yarrick's power klaw, would probably finish shrike off pretty quick. But if we're talking in fluff terms, Shrike wins because he's a marine captain. Not only is his armor nearly impenetrable (according to some authors), he's also as fast as the fastest eldar (according to some authors). Plus theres the fact that neither Joss Whedon nor George RR Martin write 40k books, there's no chance of an important character like Shrike randomly getting killed by some nobody troopers and a glorified commisar.

The stormtroopers wield weapons capable of penetrating his armor. There's 10 of them, highly elite special forces shock troops, and a commissar who's half bionic who went toe to toe with a warboss *before* he was bionic, and won, then led a world to victory against the mightiest Waaagh's seen...twice.

Deadshot wrote:Shrike.

He's Raven Guard. Simply aim Drop Pod, of which they use a lot at Yarrick's lads.

And they happen to know exactly where they are and are able to aim with extreme precision without any chance of them finding somewhere other than an open field to be and no concept of a giant flaming thing from the sky (they're fast, but not so fast that you can't see them with plenty of warning coming from orbit)?

Ir just Jump Pack on top of them and butcher.

Yes, with 10 of the best human troops the Imperium has and a living legend wielding a Warboss's powerklaw, a stormbolter, and a high powered laser gun for an eye. Sounds like a cakewalk.

Or just hide in shadows and execute from range with Bolt Pistol.

Against a bionic man and 10 well equipped, highly trained troops with night vision equipment?

Deadshot wrote:VS Captain Shrike. Shrike wins by Jumping out of shadow and massercring most if not all stormtroopers before they can bring their guns to bear. As for Yarrick? How long does he stand without a head. I am sure a blot shell would look nice just before it blew up.

And an 8ft tall superman with a jump pack larger than many motorcycles hides in the shadows from special forces troops with night vision equipment...how? Yarrick has a very powerful force shield protecting him, drastically reducing the power of blows against him, and has survived going face to face with an Ork Warboss and then cut off his head...and then was rebuilt to be half metal killing machine.



Methinks people are not really aware of what they are comparing here.

Yarrick won because the warboss gloated about cutting off his arm. Shrike is too smart to make a mistake. Besides, Shrike's Iron Halo is.more powerful than a Refractor Field. And is much fast, stronger and tough than Yarrick. The stormtroopers may be well trained but Shrike is older than they can be, is better trained and physically he destroys them.

Yarrick is overrated and stormtroopers are highly thought of due to hotshots. Shrike is Superman+Wolverine+Jump Pack.

Deadshot wrote:
Yarrick won because the warboss gloated about cutting off his arm. Shrike is too smart to make a mistake.

Pure conjecture, and either way, Yarrick has been...rebuilt.

Besides, Shrike's Iron Halo is.more powerful than a Refractor Field.

True, good thing Yarrick has a much more powerful force field than a mere Refractor field.

And is much fast, stronger and tough than Yarrick.

Faster? Sure. Stronger? Not next to a Powerklaw. Tougher? Not anymore now that Yarrick is half machine and armor plate.

The stormtroopers may be well trained but Shrike is older than they can be, is better trained and physically he destroys them.

Yes, one on one they aren't a match. 10 strong however with weapons that pierce his armor and a combat monster wielding a powerklaw that enables him to hit as hard as a Trygon makes the whole situation much more even.

Yarrick is overrated

Based on...? I'd say Shrike is being grossly overrated here.

and stormtroopers are highly thought of due to hotshots.

Exactly...they shoot like Space Marines and have weapons that ignore Shrikes armor.

Shrike is Superman+Wolverine+Jump Pack.

Yes, facing a squad of dudes that are very good at taking out targets like him and a bionic killing machine with a laser-eye that'll punch clean through his armor plate.

Nothing can kill Yarrick. Nothing. He's been killing stuff since I started playing back in 2nd ed, somehow managing to be in every single conflict involving the Imperial Guard. Leastaways, that's what WD led me to believe.

Vaktathi has it. Shrike is not "superman", he's an Astartes, and stormtroopers have weapons that easily penetrate Astartes armour...as well as a badass fether with a massive power claw.
Yarik and two stormtroopers vs strike and yeah, more of a competition. But you may as well say 10 anti-tank guns vs a big-ass tank.

Every time somebody makes a "who would win?" thread, a baby panda dies. So please, for the love of all those baby pandas, stop making these threads.

In game terms, Shrike assaults in and kills Yarrick first thing. Stormtroopers manage a single wound.

next turn he kills a few more of the Stormtroopers, they lose combat and he runs them down.


In fluff, pretty much the same thing(except he doesn't get hurt)

If Shrike can hide from other Space Marines, he will be impossable for Yarrick and his goons to find.

He strikes from the shadows and kills Yarrick first thing. Then he goes to town on the Stormtroopers.

Personally I would kill the Troopers first as they have useful guns. Then Yarrick as he is so slow with that claw you just dodge like Neo in the matrix and decapitate.

Grey Templar wrote:In game terms, Shrike assaults in and kills Yarrick first thing. Stormtroopers manage a single wound.

This is assuming he manages to assault without taking *any* fire. On average, Shrike will inflict ~2 wounds, not enough to quite kill Yarrick. Shrike in return will take ~2 wounds himself, leaving him to likely be killed in the second round of combat after killing Yarrick.

Then of course Yarrick as a 66% chance to stand right back up.

In fluff, pretty much the same thing(except he doesn't get hurt)

based on...what? He's facing a full squad of the best non-astartes troopers the Imperium has to offer and a living legend wielding a Powerklaw and an armor piercing laser for a left eye.

If Shrike can hide from other Space Marines, he will be impossable for Yarrick and his goons to find.

Again, based on...what? If we're talking a forested mountain pass at night? Perhaps sure. If we're talking empty hills or an open field...nope. Urban combat? Well, if they're in the streets...maybe? If they're in buildings, Shrike's going to have trouble moving without barging through walls letting everything know he's coming and severely restricting his mobility.

He strikes from the shadows and kills Yarrick first thing. Then he goes to town on the Stormtroopers.

Again, explain how an 8ft tall walking tank with a jet pack larger than a motorcycle (that can likely be heard a mile away when engaged) and likely weighing in at close to 2000lbs in full gear "strikes from the shadows" (assuming there are any shadows to hide in) against elite troops with night vision equipment and power-armor piercing weapons.

Deadshot wrote:Personally I would kill the Troopers first as they have useful guns. Then Yarrick as he is so slow with that claw you just dodge like Neo in the matrix and decapitate.

Shrike now has the power to move against the laws of reality?

You clearly haven't read anything about the Ravenguard. They are absolute masters of stealth combat. Their PA is rumored to have inbuilt stealth generators. that combined with their training allows them to disappear at a moments notice.

Vaktathi wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Personally I would kill the Troopers first as they have useful guns. Then Yarrick as he is so slow with that claw you just dodge like Neo in the matrix and decapitate.

Shrike now has the power to move against the laws of reality?

No. Just lean back when the slow attack comes in then slash at the neck

Grey Templar wrote:You clearly haven't read anything about the Ravenguard.

I have actually believe it or not.

They are absolute masters of stealth combat. Their PA is rumored to have inbuilt stealth generators. that combined with their training allows them to disappear at a moments notice.

That's the first time I've ever heard of RG having Stealth power armor, and, lets be honest, training or not, hiding a genetically engineered super soldier in full power armor, claws, and jetpack like some ninja is a wee bit silly. If we're assuming that capability, we can assume Yarrick will just keep coming back and back and back.

Making strategic/operation moves without notice is one thing, translating that to a tactical situation is another entirely. Yeah, I could believe the raven guard moving a battle company without being noticed overnight to a position 40km away and achieving surprise on an operational or strategic level. Conducting a guerilla campaign against Orks is one thing. Walking battle tanks somehow acting like hidden ninja's at 8ft+tall and 6ft wide against elite human troops with specialized vision and targeting equipment and a grizzled half-bionic commissar who has fought against nearly every imagineable foe is another.

Deadshot wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Personally I would kill the Troopers first as they have useful guns. Then Yarrick as he is so slow with that claw you just dodge like Neo in the matrix and decapitate.

Shrike now has the power to move against the laws of reality?

No. Just lean back when the slow attack comes in then slash at the neck

So we're assuming that Yarrick is slow enough that once could easily simply dance around him? that's not something one could reasonably argue. Yeah, Shrike would likely hit first, but assuming he could completely avoid yarricks strikes is...silly. This is a guy after all with a weapon skill higher than elite vanguard veterans.

8ft isn't all that big you know. Especially if you also have super-human senses which would allow you to stay out of your enemies Line of Sight. If your enemy isn't looking in your general direction it doesn't matter if you are completely covered up.

Fine, if you think it is such an uneven fight.

Yarrick+10 ST

VS Shrike and 5 Assault marines with 2 Plasma Pistols and Sgt with Plasma Pistol and Power Sword and Combat Shield.

That's about even.

Take away 1 marine and plasmas and power swords and maybe it is even.

My money then would be just on Yarrick. But thats only because is EVEN and i like guard more. Shrike could win though.

a fat guy wrote:Yarrick isn't just any human though, he's gone toe-to-toe with Ghazghkull and actually lived to tell the tell.

And whereas that Warboss is capable of killing captains with ease, but we're talking about one of the more capable captains here...

My money is on Yarrick, mainly because he's not just some random human and has ten dudes backing him up. they can at least be used as fodder until Yarrick get's to use his "klaw".

Your forgetting thats because after Ghaz utterly kicked his ass, he let him live so he can do it again. Dont confuse yourself that its because hes that badass, its because Ghaz simply didnt kill him


*I cant spell

Grey Templar wrote:8ft isn't all that big you know.

8ft tall is pretty big, big enough that getting through doors is an issue, especially when you're also 5ft wide. Hard to miss unless it's behind something bigger, and instantly spotted as soon as it moves. How stealthy is a car at highway speeds? Not very. Same thing goes for a giant clad in thick armor with a pair of rockets strapped to its back.

And again, it very much depends on *where* this is taking place. Not everywhere has places for an 8ft tall giant to hide in the "shadows", especially "shadows" that also make good surprise attack positions.

Especially if you also have super-human senses which would allow you to stay out of your enemies Line of Sight.

How is *your* ability to sense things keeping your enemy from sensing you? Lets also keep in mind the Stormtroopers have great gear as well, with their own (admitedly more limited) autosensing/night vision gear and excellent targeting equipment (before they got rid of most old wargear, ST's could pre-measure their shots, SM's could not)

If your enemy isn't looking in your general direction it doesn't matter if you are completely covered up.

Can we assume at least the most basic level of military competency from highly trained and experienced troops? Because in general they're likely to be looking around, checking potential angles of attack, etc, and not jut walking in a straight line looking straight ahead.

Deadshot wrote:Fine, if you think it is such an uneven fight.

I'm just saying that it's not going to be "Shrike goes in and kills everything with FLAWLESS VICTORY YAY SPACE MARINES!" I am not saying that Yarrick and crew are instantly going to pound him flat from ten miles away either.

KingCracker wrote:

a fat guy wrote:Yarrick isn't just any human though, he's gone toe-to-toe with Ghazghkull and actually lived to tell the tell.

And whereas that Warboss is capable of killing captains with ease, but we're talking about one of the more capable captains here...

My money is on Yarrick, mainly because he's not just some random human and has ten dudes backing him up. they can at least be used as fodder until Yarrick get's to use his "klaw".

Your forgetting thats because after Ghaz utterly kicked his ass, he let him live so he can do it again. Dont confuse yourself that its because hes that badass, its because Ghaz simply didnt kill him


*I cant spell

And he didn't kill him because he put up enough of a fight for Ghazzy to let him go so they can fight again.

Grey Templar wrote:In game terms, Shrike assaults in and kills Yarrick first thing. Stormtroopers manage a single wound.

Unless Shrike has "Always goes first" special ability, that's bs.
Stormtroopers rapid firing do 2.2 wounds. I'm sure Yarrik could get the last wound.
In fact since he could only infiltrate 18" from Yarrik, he'd have to take a turn of shooting to the face first.

Not if he infiltrated behind LOS blocking terrain 12.1" away. 3D6 move= about 4", running about 4" and asasault 6

4+4+6=14 so Shrike assaults first turn he gets.



For a fluff fight, if GW ever put these two head to head either it would be "Yarrick was saved by the miraculous intervention of (Insert enemy name here) and was able to escape with his life while Shrike fought alone. When the blood had ran cold, Shrike turned to the skies. he would find his prey again."

Or

"Lol Shrike trollfacebutt hurts Yarrick because he is a SPESS MARHEEN!! Lol."

Deadshot wrote:Not if he infiltrated behind LOS blocking terrain 12.1" away. 3D6 move= about 4", running about 4" and asasault 6

4+4+6=14 so Shrike assaults first turn he gets.



For a fluff fight, if GW ever put these two head to head either it would be "Yarrick was saved by the miraculous intervention of (Insert enemy name here) and was able to escape with his life while Shrike fought alone. When the blood had ran cold, Shrike turned to the skies. he would find his prey again."

Or

"Lol Shrike trollfacebutt hurts Yarrick because he is a SPESS MARHEEN!! Lol."

Right, and the Yarrik player was dumb enough to wander near to this LOS blocking terrain.
"Lol Shrike trollfacebutt hurts Yarrick because he is a SPESS MARHEEN!! Lol." is pretty much what you're saying. You're assuming Shrike gets the charge, and you're assuming the stormtroopers stand around with their thumbs up their arse.