Does the Thunderhammer Inititive Penalty effect Gargantuan Creatures?

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**Sarpedon_702**

I was just wondering if the Thunder Hammer Initiative penalty have an effect on Gargantuan Creatures in Apocalypse?

**nosferatu1001**

Yes, unless you rule that it doesnt

**Sarpedon_702**

Hehe, thanks! It just seems to me that a Daemon Lord would not be sent reeling by minuscule terminator's TH.

I was just wondering if it was written anywhere in an apocalypse FAQ.

**Platuan4th**

Why would the size of the hammer matter when the stun effect is caused by the power field?

**erikwfg**

Because the rules are meant for the 40k scale of the game, when things are much bigger the rules usually have a different effect. Alot of things affect size G creatures differently.

**don_mondo**

OK, so do size G have a rule that says they are affected differently? If not, they aren't.

**Valkyrie**

Yes, they're affected just the same as everyone else.

**Sarpedon_702**

There is nothing saying anything otherwise so I'm obliged to agree. But I will probably create a rule that just lowers the initiative by 1 or perhaps a D3 at the end of combat. It just seems more appropriate and it is Apocalypse so...

**Kommissar Kel**

You are doing an awful lot of belly-aching over a general loss of about 2 points of Initiative(Most nid bio-titans are I3).

And where are you getting this Gargantuan Daemon Lord datasheet from anyways(serious question)?

**Valkyrie**

Sarpedon_702 wrote:There is nothing saying anything otherwise so I'm obliged to agree. But I will probably create a rule that just lowers the initiative by 1 or perhaps a D3 at the end of combat. It just seems more appropriate and it is Apocalypse so...

I agree with the guy above: why bellyache and change the rules just because you're not happy with the result. You could always, oh I don't know, avoid Thunder Hammers?

**Kommissar Kel**

Valkyrie wrote:
Sarpedon_702 wrote:There is nothing saying anything otherwise so I'm obliged to agree. But I will probably create a rule that just lowers the initiative by 1 or perhaps a D3 at the end of combat. It just seems more appropriate and it is Apocalypse so...

I agree with the guy above: why bellyache and change the rules just because you're not happy with the result. You could always, oh I don't know, avoid Thunder Hammers?

Skrew you and your "tactical Solution".

He wants to just charge in and fight anything/every thing that he possibly can; if the rules don't support that concept, we'll just have to change the rules.

**Eidolon**

Just like comp scoring in tournaments!

**Grugknuckle**

Platuan4th wrote:Why would the size of the hammer matter when the stun effect is caused by the power field?

Size matters bro. Just ask and she'll tell you.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Kommissar Kel wrote:And where are you getting this Gargantuan Daemon Lord datasheet from anyways(serious question)?

An'ggrath, Scabeithrax and that one Slaanesh thingie I can never remember the name of are in Imperial Armour: Apocalypse Second Edition. An'ggrath is probably the scariest thing I've ever seen in Apocalypse bar Warlord or Imperator Titans.