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The new FAQ for the CSM codex added that Kharn's weapon Gorechild is treated as a power axe, so would he gain the +1s and now strike at initiative 1?

I have seen people argue it both ways and was just curious since they went out of their way to make the statement that it's treated as a power axe.

YEs - it is a power axe, so use the Power Axe rules from the rulebook.

Considerable nerf to him,

Yeah that is a massive nerf to him, I feel torn on it on one hand I dislike him for all the squads he has obliterated over the years, on the other I feel bad for my friend who liked to field him.

Typhus gets the nerf too... maybe with the new book around the corner, they're trying to make Chaos fall before it rises?

Lobukia wrote:Typhus gets the nerf too... maybe with the new book around the corner, they're trying to make Chaos fall before it rises?

Typhus got a massive buff old chap

Lobukia wrote:Typhus gets the nerf too... maybe with the new book around the corner, they're trying to make Chaos fall before it rises?

And I thought the warptime nerf was the lowest point on CSM codex history, GW proves me wrong once more.

Formosa wrote:

Lobukia wrote:Typhus gets the nerf too... maybe with the new book around the corner, they're trying to make Chaos fall before it rises?

Typhus got a massive buff old chap

At T5 with 2+/5++ and FNP I don't think Typhus cares too much about being I1. Certainly not as much as Kharn lacking either an Invulnerable save or FNP.

man reapper is a force axe and a Deamon weapon, he ignores terrain he charges into, he has acess to the psy powers (so can use biomancy etc.) he is T5 all the time now not 4(5), has FNP and a 2+ 5++.... so on what planet has he been nerfed? oh and if he does use his psy power he can still ID with the force weapon... yeah he really sucks eh lol

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Formosa wrote:

Lobukia wrote:Typhus gets the nerf too... maybe with the new book around the corner, they're trying to make Chaos fall before it rises?

Typhus got a massive buff old chap

At T5 with 2+/5++ and FNP I don't think Typhus cares too much about being I1. Certainly not as much as Kharn lacking either an Invulnerable save or FNP.

And with S5 Poisoned attacks he's basically going to demolish T3/4 models since he'll get a 2+/3+ to-wound with rerolls.

The nerf to Kharn is greatly saddening. He was one of the last really good CSM HQ choices.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Formosa wrote:

Lobukia wrote:Typhus gets the nerf too... maybe with the new book around the corner, they're trying to make Chaos fall before it rises?

Typhus got a massive buff old chap

At T5 with 2+/5++ and FNP I don't think Typhus cares too much about being I1. Certainly not as much as Kharn lacking either an Invulnerable save or FNP.

Well on the bright side, now the zerks that ride with him will have their attacks before kharn obliterates them, which is a good thing. And kharn still has an invulnerable save... or did I miss that on the FAQ?, anyway remember that with the look out sir It'll be hard to take him down out of a squad. The real problem would be i guess on challenges against PF miniatures it would certainly be a double K.O., haven't read in detail the rulebook, but if challenges works as in fantasy you can accept the challenge with a champion and avoid him getting the PF.

He is now pretty much made to destroy high T targets, like say... thunder wolf cavalry oh man if kharn charges them that would be a pretty sight. 7 attacks S8 that hit on 2+, wounds on 2+ against T5 and also instant kills them. Seems good to me.

Formosa wrote:man reapper is a force axe and a Deamon weapon, he ignores terrain he charges into, he has acess to the psy powers (so can use biomancy etc.) he is T5 all the time now not 4(5), has FNP and a 2+ 5++.... so on what planet has he been nerfed? oh and if he does use his psy power he can still ID with the force weapon... yeah he really sucks eh lol

CSM dont get access to biomancy

Xca|iber wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Formosa wrote:

Lobukia wrote:Typhus gets the nerf too... maybe with the new book around the corner, they're trying to make Chaos fall before it rises?

Typhus got a massive buff old chap

At T5 with 2+/5++ and FNP I don't think Typhus cares too much about being I1. Certainly not as much as Kharn lacking either an Invulnerable save or FNP.

And with S5 Poisoned attacks he's basically going to demolish T3/4 models since he'll get a 2+/3+ to-wound with rerolls.

The nerf to Kharn is greatly saddening. He was one of the last really good CSM HQ choices.

Well, Typhus has taken it now.

Especially with allies and Epidemius. Get the kill counter to 20 and Typhus becomes.....

Monstrous.

... haven't read in detail the rulebook, but if challenges works as in fantasy you can accept the challenge with a champion and avoid him getting the PF.

Read them then, you might be able to save Kharn afterall

I think a lot of you are forgetting a very serious change in power weapons in this edition. By and large, if you have a power weapon, you're more likely to be AP 3 than not. Rulebook clearly states unique or special power weapons with their own rules count as AP 3 plus their own rules.

What does this mean? It means you if you took abbadon and had him fight terminators with powerfists, the termies will get to roll 2+ armor saves, and abby will have to roll 4+ invulns. He gets to strike first of course, but it sucks not being able to eliminate all armor in the game.

Kharn might strike last, but at least all of those attacks can still hack down a termi just as easily.

Kharn does have a power axe, he has gorechild. Does a named weapon not get effected by the universal rule?

The codex doesn't say it is a power axe, I don't believe. Maybe says power weapon, other than the name gorechild

Have you read the dates that this thread was posted on?

Oh wow, my bad. For some reason the warning message didn't come up... I am on my tablet that may be why.

No problem--happens

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