Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.
I don't buy it. I don't believe for a second that ISIS is defeated. As a cohesive fighting force, sure. But there will be plenty of survivors who will have gone to ground and hidden themselves amongst the civilian population and they'll now switch back to guerilla and terrorist tactics. The War against ISIS may be over, but the Insurgency is about to begin. We're going to get an Iraq Occupation and Insurgency redux, and I expect violence will continue for some time to come.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: As a cohesive fighting force, sure. But there will be plenty of survivors who will have gone to ground and hidden themselves amongst the civilian population and they'll now switch back to guerilla and terrorist tactics.
You seem to be confusing 'defeated' with 'annihilated'. ISIS has been steadily withdrawing from Mosul since March. It's been a protracted fighting withdrawal and only now have Iraqi forces seized most of the city. This has been part of an overall consolidation of ISIL forces deeper in their territory.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: As a cohesive fighting force, sure. But there will be plenty of survivors who will have gone to ground and hidden themselves amongst the civilian population and they'll now switch back to guerilla and terrorist tactics.
You seem to be confusing 'defeated' with 'annihilated'. ISIS has been steadily withdrawing from Mosul since March. It's been a protracted fighting withdrawal and only now have Iraqi forces seized most of the city. This has been part of an overall consolidation of ISIL forces deeper in their territory.
Yeah one article claimed they where pulling back to a rural area near Raqqa.
Moving valuble people to a less bombed area.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
A news group was documenting the military taking the city back and accidentally caught this woman on film. Luckily the bomb didn't go off when she wanted but after she tried to walk away so only she and her kid were killed instead of the two of them as well as a bunch of soldiers and civilians.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/07/11 08:34:44
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
A news group was filming the military taking the city back and accidentally caught this woman on film. Luckily the bomb didn't go off when she wanted but after she tried to walk away so only she and her kid were killed instead of them and a bunch of soldiers and civilians.
That's sick... The kids innocent of her vile ideology.
Some parent who use own baby as a cover for a bomb...
Evil donkey caves need wiping off the face of the planet.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: I don't buy it. I don't believe for a second that ISIS is defeated. As a cohesive fighting force, sure. But there will be plenty of survivors who will have gone to ground and hidden themselves amongst the civilian population and they'll now switch back to guerilla and terrorist tactics. The War against ISIS may be over, but the Insurgency is about to begin. We're going to get an Iraq Occupation and Insurgency redux, and I expect violence will continue for some time to come.
That's because "terror" is an idea, not a state. The War on Terror can never be won, because we cannot kill an idea. Some might say that the military industrial complex has designed this on purpose.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
In the wake of Friday's sermon incident, ISIS issued a brief statement across Tal Afar in which the terrorist group has specified a penalty of 50 lashes for anyone who talks about the death of Baghdadi, a source said on Sunday.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: I don't buy it. I don't believe for a second that ISIS is defeated. As a cohesive fighting force, sure. But there will be plenty of survivors who will have gone to ground and hidden themselves amongst the civilian population and they'll now switch back to guerilla and terrorist tactics. The War against ISIS may be over, but the Insurgency is about to begin. We're going to get an Iraq Occupation and Insurgency redux, and I expect violence will continue for some time to come.
That's because "terror" is an idea, not a state. The War on Terror can never be won, because we cannot kill an idea. Some might say that the military industrial complex has designed this on purpose.
Yeah, no gak. I agree.
MinscS2 wrote: Apparently Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been killed.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: I don't buy it. I don't believe for a second that ISIS is defeated. As a cohesive fighting force, sure. But there will be plenty of survivors who will have gone to ground and hidden themselves amongst the civilian population and they'll now switch back to guerilla and terrorist tactics. The War against ISIS may be over, but the Insurgency is about to begin. We're going to get an Iraq Occupation and Insurgency redux, and I expect violence will continue for some time to come.
That's because "terror" is an idea, not a state. The War on Terror can never be won, because we cannot kill an idea. Some might say that the military industrial complex has designed this on purpose.
Yeah, no gak. I agree.
MinscS2 wrote: Apparently Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been killed.
Don't get excited, he still has 6 Lives remaining.
We not unlocked final boss fight?
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: I don't buy it. I don't believe for a second that ISIS is defeated. As a cohesive fighting force, sure. But there will be plenty of survivors who will have gone to ground and hidden themselves amongst the civilian population and they'll now switch back to guerilla and terrorist tactics. The War against ISIS may be over, but the Insurgency is about to begin. We're going to get an Iraq Occupation and Insurgency redux, and I expect violence will continue for some time to come.
That's because "terror" is an idea, not a state. The War on Terror can never be won, because we cannot kill an idea. Some might say that the military industrial complex has designed this on purpose.
Yeah, no gak. I agree.
MinscS2 wrote: Apparently Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been killed.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: I don't buy it. I don't believe for a second that ISIS is defeated. As a cohesive fighting force, sure. But there will be plenty of survivors who will have gone to ground and hidden themselves amongst the civilian population and they'll now switch back to guerilla and terrorist tactics. The War against ISIS may be over, but the Insurgency is about to begin. We're going to get an Iraq Occupation and Insurgency redux, and I expect violence will continue for some time to come.
That's because "terror" is an idea, not a state. The War on Terror can never be won, because we cannot kill an idea. Some might say that the military industrial complex has designed this on purpose.
Yeah, no gak. I agree.
MinscS2 wrote: Apparently Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been killed.
Don't get excited, he still has 6 Lives remaining.
We not unlocked final boss fight?
That'll be in Paris probably. We're gonna be fighting ISIS for years to come. They're like Hydra.
True but there previously slick, video and magazine propoganda units are long gone.
There change in fortunes has at least removes that one way of reaching people.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Government criticised over 'suppressed' extremist report
A government refusal to publish a report into the funding of UK Islamist extremist groups has been criticised.
The home secretary has issued a two-page summary which concluded most organisations were funded via small, anonymous British-based donations.
Amber Rudd said she had decided to do so for national security reasons.
Opposition parties claimed the internal review was being "suppressed" to protect Saudi Arabia which has been accused of being a source of funding.
The Home Office has been under pressure for months to publish its investigation into the "nature, scale and origin of the funding".
Ms Rudd said another reason for not making the report public was because of the personal information it contained.
Some MPs will be allowed to view the report in private but without revealing its contents.
Charity declaration
The summary of the report concluded that most extremist organisations got their money, often hundreds of thousands of pounds, from individual donors in the UK.
But it also confirmed that a small minority did get significant funds from overseas. These, it said, taught "deeply conservative forms of Islam" to individuals who became "of extremist concern".
From now on, charities will have to declare any overseas funding to the Charity Commission.
The summary said: "The most common source of support for Islamist extremist organisations in the UK is from small, anonymous public donations, with the majority of these donations most likely coming from UK-based individuals.
"In some cases these organisations receive hundreds of thousands of pounds a year."
It added: "For a small number of organisations with which there are extremism concerns, overseas funding is a significant source of income.
"However, for the vast majority of extremist groups in the UK, overseas funding is not a significant source. Overseas support has allowed individuals to study at institutions that teach deeply conservative forms of Islam and provide highly socially conservative literature and preachers to the UK's Islamic institutions.
"Some of these individuals have since become of extremist concern."
'No clue'
The government's refusal to publish the full report angered opposition parties which accused ministers of trying to protect allies such as Saudi Arabia which has long been accused of being a source of extremist funding, something it has long denied.
The Green Party co-leader Caroline Lucas said there was a deep complicity between Whitehall and Riyadh.
She said: "The statement gives absolutely no clue as to which countries foreign funding for extremism originates from - leaving the government open to further allegations of refusing to expose the role of Saudi Arabian money in terrorism in the UK."
The Lib Dem leader, Tim Farron, said the government was putting its friendship with Saudi Arabia ahead of its values.
He said: "What we want to know is who are the violent extremists and who are their funders.
"This report clearly has found some of that out and we're bound to start suspecting all the more now that the sources of funding must be from the likes of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, otherwise the government wouldn't be so embarrassed that they won't tell us the truth."
Shadow home secretary Diane Abbott, said: "There is a strong suspicion this report is being suppressed to protect this government's trade and diplomatic priorities, including in relation to Saudi Arabia. The only way to allay those suspicions is to publish the report in full."
Cutting off the funding
The Home Office insisted diplomatic relations played no part in the decision not to make the full report public.
In a blog published on its website, the Home Office said: "The former prime minister [David Cameron] was clear when committing to the review in the House that it would report to the home Secretary and prime minister.
No commitment was made to publish the review... Contrary to suggestions by some media outlets, diplomatic relations played absolutely no part in the decision not to publish the full report."
The Green Party co-leader Caroline Lucas said there was a deep complicity between Whitehall and Riyadh.
She said: "The statement gives absolutely no clue as to which countries foreign funding for extremism originates from - leaving the government open to further allegations of refusing to expose the role of Saudi Arabian money in terrorism in the UK."
The Lib Dem leader, Tim Farron, said the government was putting its friendship with Saudi Arabia ahead of its values.
He said: "What we want to know is who are the violent extremists and who are their funders.
"This report clearly has found some of that out and we're bound to start suspecting all the more now that the sources of funding must be from the likes of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, otherwise the government wouldn't be so embarrassed that they won't tell us the truth."
Shadow home secretary Diane Abbott, said: "There is a strong suspicion this report is being suppressed to protect this government's trade and diplomatic priorities, including in relation to Saudi Arabia. The only way to allay those suspicions is to publish the report in full."
Cutting off the funding
The Home Office insisted diplomatic relations played no part in the decision not to make the full report public.
In a blog published on its website, the Home Office said: "The former prime minister [David Cameron] was clear when committing to the review in the House that it would report to the home Secretary and prime minister.
No commitment was made to publish the review... Contrary to suggestions by some media outlets, diplomatic relations played absolutely no part in the decision not to publish the full report."
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
Interesting. The funding is internal... There's a few traitors tp root out I see.
And also one of there best snipers got killed recently.
Long wat from there slick videos, 2 years ago. From Raqqa, to mosul, wondering Bagdad or Jordan next.
Now. There a dead jihadi walking.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
you know that moment you reap what you sow and comes back with a Assault rifle and rather large axe to grind and every idea what to expect if captured.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Almost certainly some kind of humiliation thing forced on the captured men.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Are they the rats trying to flee the nest hiding as woman?
Happened before.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Seems Russia is still bombing forces fighting ISIS.
If they got that close to ISIS, then I don't know what they were doing but they certainly were not fighting them. The area in which Russia is currently bombing terrorists was made known to them. They had no business being there. Unless they wanted to get hit of course.
Seems Russia is still bombing forces fighting ISIS.
If they got that close to ISIS, then I don't know what they were doing but they certainly were not fighting them.
Yes, because house to house, room to room fighting in towns and cities near the enemy capital is certainly not a thing. And certainly not something Russians have bombed, shelled, and strafed in the past, with no regard to their own men, let alone anyone else.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
SDF, Nusra, Ahrar-al-Sham, Salafi, Daesh - what's the difference for the bombing?
upd: I googled and SDF means Kurds (I thought it's the FSA at first). Not good in all those group names. But the Assad and Kurds don't fighting each other are they?
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/09/30 04:53:59
Mordant 92nd 'Acid Dogs'
The Lost and Damned
Inquisition
Seems Russia is still bombing forces fighting ISIS.
If they got that close to ISIS, then I don't know what they were doing but they certainly were not fighting them.
Yes, because house to house, room to room fighting in towns and cities near the enemy capital is certainly not a thing. And certainly not something Russians have bombed, shelled, and strafed in the past, with no regard to their own men, let alone anyone else.
I don't think I get you. These guys were observed at a known ISIS position near a major gas field, without ISIS forces giving them any resistance whatsoever and without them making any attempts to attack ISIS positions. Also, they were not in a house, room, town, city or near the enemy capital. The US and SDF knew of the strike in advance. If these guys were actual SDF fighters rather than ISIS that would mean two things: 1. the US and SDF do not care for the safety of their personnel, 2. The SDF (and maybe US too) are colluding to some degree with ISIS (not that that would surprise anyone, given the history of both and the fact that US equipment has been spotted at ISIS positions). Either they are ISIS or they are traitors. In both cases valid targets.
And yes, Russia is in Syria not just to fight ISIS. It is in Syria at the request of the legitimate and internationally recognised Syrian government to aid in its fight against terrorist groups including but not limited to ISIS. The fight against ISIS is the main priority now, but eventually, to restore peace and stability to Syria, all terrorist groups, militias and illegal foreign military presences will need to be removed from the country, either through negotiation or through armed struggle.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Freakazoitt wrote: SDF, Nusra, Ahrar-al-Sham, Salafi, Daesh - what's the difference for the bombing?
upd: I googled and SDF means Kurds (I thought it's the FSA at first). Not good in all those group names. But the Assad and Kurds don't fighting each other are they?
No. But in future, they might. SDF controls large part of Syria.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/09/30 15:54:07
5500 pts 
6500 pts 
7000 pts 
9000 pts 
13.000 pts 
The Lost and Damned
Inquisition
