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Anyone got any idea as to what it is?

Last I checked, AP-, ignores armour save, causes instant death on a toughness test. ?

It's a regular CCW with special rules.

So ap- but it ignores armour saves does anyone have anything i can take to my club so when i get asked i can see here look at this.

As some say it's ap- and thats it apart from its instant kill ability.

Look in the tyranid codex?

It says in the codex that it ignores armor saves.
Ergo, it ignores armor saves.
There is currently no FAQ that says otherwise, and as there is no FAQ that specifies its AP, it is to be treated as AP- (as AP1 and AP2 grants bonuses against vehicles).

That is what i said but alot at my club were saying it now ap-3 or ap- and i was like WTF! but noone could show me and i showed them the codex where it says ignores armour.

Mark Furniss wrote:That is what i said but alot at my club were saying it now ap-3 or ap- and i was like WTF! but noone could show me and i showed them the codex where it says ignores armour.

Yeah I know how you feel. There a few at my LGS saying that the warscythe was AP3.
Fortunately, there was a FAQ that proved them wrong

Mark Furniss wrote:That is what i said but alot at my club were saying it now ap-3 or ap- and i was like WTF! but noone could show me and i showed them the codex where it says ignores armour.

If it says right there in your codex that it ignores armour, then it ignores armour.
They may as well try to claim that his WS is 1 or that he's a swam.

So many people assume Warscythes / Bone Swords are a Power Weapon with additonal rules.

HOWEVER - Unless the words "Power X" are used somewhere in its gear entry, it's not a power weapon, so not given that AP3 that 'Unusual Power Weapons' are.


Idon'tseenopowerweapon. And neither will they!

If you have the possibility to make a printed version of the FAQ then bring it with you and show them, that there is no part which replaces the line from the codex. This is all you can do i think and if they still not believe it you have tried it at least

Well i have just put it on our clubs forum and i am still getting grief and they think it should be ap-3.

Talk about making up rules and this coming from a guy who uses Necrons.

A mate on my side though and he has a good point in his defence of the ignores armour saves.

Mark Furniss wrote:Well i have just put it on our clubs forum and i am still getting grief and they think it should be ap-3.

Tell them to actually read the rules maybe?

The power weapon change is based on a weapon being, as per its description, a power weapon.

Point them to the Bonesword entry. Note that nowhere in its description is it called a power weapon. This is very deliberate wording (if the rumour that codices since Tyranids were designed with 6th in mind), that says it ignores armour saves. Other weapons in other codices, even on special characters, are called out as being power weapons, while others in the same codex say they ignore armour. It's not a power weapon, it's a Bonesword, and doesn't follow the new rules for power weapons. Because it isn't one.

If you want to get all technical, Boneswords aren't even a weapon :v All Tyranid melee upgrades are just that, upgrades that modify the creatures default attacks. They don't have a weapon profile or add extra attack dice.

Regardless, there's already precedent that Boneswords should not be AP3. Warscythes had the same 'ignores armour saves' text and we know that codex was definitely written with 6e in mind. They were immediately FAQ'd to AP1. The fairest way until there's an updated Tyranid FAQ is to treat Boneswords as ignoring armour saves but without the AP1/2 bonus to vehicle damage.

xttz wrote:If you want to get all technical, Boneswords aren't even a weapon :v All Tyranid melee upgrades are just that, upgrades that modify the creatures default attacks. They don't have a weapon profile or add extra attack dice.

Regardless, there's already precedent that Boneswords should not be AP3. Warscythes had the same 'ignores armour saves' text and we know that codex was definitely written with 6e in mind. They were immediately FAQ'd to AP1. The fairest way until there's an updated Tyranid FAQ is to treat Boneswords as ignoring armour saves but without the AP1/2 bonus to vehicle damage.

Yup, you should counter them and insist it's AP1

Cheers guys this seems to be getting across now. But i have learnt to fear how force weapons now work.

Mark Furniss wrote:Cheers guys this seems to be getting across now. But i have learnt to fear how force weapons now work.

...the same as before but AP3?

What about Eldar Powerblades (Warp Spider Exarch upgrade)? The Eldar codex states that they are twin power weapons that grant +1A and ignore armor saves.

undertow wrote:What about Eldar Powerblades (Warp Spider Exarch upgrade)? The Eldar codex states that they are twin power weapons that grant +1A and ignore armor saves.

If it lists it as a power weapon, it's an unusual power weapon (Sword properties, same S, AP3)

The only real issues that prop up is when it doesn't have Power Weapon at all.

Because power blades say they ignore armor saves it overrides the AP3 of a unusual PW.


Power Weapons are unusual when they have a unique special rule(Not a USR) that is specific to that particular power weapon, like a Nemisis Halberd's +2I.

We rang our local GW store and they told us that a bone sword is AP 3, unless on a monstrous creature then its AP 2 because of them.

IXLoiero95XI wrote:We rang our local GW store and they told us that a bone sword is AP 3, unless on a monstrous creature then its AP 2 because of them.

Incorrect, your local black shirt is not a rules expert. He's a salesmen.

Tell him, and anyone else concerned, to RTFM and see what it says.

Grey Templar wrote:

IXLoiero95XI wrote:We rang our local GW store and they told us that a bone sword is AP 3, unless on a monstrous creature then its AP 2 because of them.

Incorrect, your local black shirt is not a rules expert. He's a salesmen.

Tell him, and anyone else concerned, to RTFM and see what it says.

Agreed, A bonesword is a BIOMORPH not a power weapon, MC have smash (a USR) which makes their attacks ap2 to clarify.