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From what I can see, it is extremely hard, if not impossible, to engage fliers from an infantry standpoint.

I see this as generally a bad thing. Often fliers won't been seen in lists, but when they do, from a TAC perspective... how do you account for them if you wish to field only infantry. ]

Guard withstanding, what is there? (Edit: SP!)

There will probably be more counters to flyers when they start releasing 6th edition codices. Why they didn't add something during the FAQ is beyond me.

Infantry-focused solution to Fliers?

Weight of fire, and lots of it.


Then again by limiting yourself to only infantry, you are kinda setting yourself up to be disappointed. You cannot disregard a big part of the IG codex and then "complain" that the units that are left cannot handle every conceivable threat, you know...

Well, as an Ork player, I'll just take Lootas like I like too.

d3 S7 Ap4 shots. We can move and snap fire. Either way, they're hitting on 6's.

And with Orks, hitting on 6's isn't as much of a bog seeing as we have so many shots that we've got to have a cruddy BS.

1 Full Squad of Lootas (15) averages 30 shots per turn.

5 hits per squad average.

These guys can devour AV13 and under.

Basically, you spent 300 points on that fliers? We took it down with 150 points.

Infantry based anti flier stuff? 30 shoota boyz could handle AV10 fliers just by glancing them to death. Lootas are extremely good on paper as well. If you're ig...I suppose you could just spam autocannons.

Don't forget that infantry is pretty much immune to fliers as well, especially very large blocks of them. Its like a mexican standoff.

GK's and spammed psycannons I guess. I'm having to tool my whole list to counter 'nid FMCs and gargoyle rush.

Infantry-Only guard can do it fine, that was my point... Other armies I can imagine will find it difficult.

Orks get the novel 'boost' by incurring the smallest penalty in shooting and getting more else besides.

I'm mainly grieving over my assault-based Blood Angels. Sad times...

Missile Launchers are going to have an S7 skyfire projectile, no? There's your anti-air solution right there. Longfangs, Tacs, Heavy Weapon infantry squads, etcetera.

Lootas for Orks.

Dark Eldar throw haywire grenades at fliers.

We roll hard.

Orks seem to have a huge advantage here. Lootas are awesome at taking down flyers as they have lots of shots and don't care about BS 1.

As a DE player, I usually have a flyer or 2, so taking them down is no problem. but I can see it will be hard to do it without one since GW only gave SM & friends the skyfire option.

DaKKaLAnce wrote:As a DE player, I usually have a flyer or 2, so taking them down is no problem. but I can see it will be hard to do it without one since GW only gave SM & friends the skyfire option.

As a blood angel player, I have no problems with fliers either I'm gonna be packing a storm raven or two all the time now.

Once flakk missiles become a buyable option, it'll be risky, but again, infantry may have chances to hide from flyers, too.

Razerous wrote:From what I can see, it is extremely hard, if not impossible, to engage fliers from an infantry standpoint.

I see this as generally a bad thing.

I thought you were talking about IRL

then i read the "I see this as a bad thing" and went "whaaaa.....?"

Think of IRL AAA weapons. Infantry based GUIDED rockets, and fixed AA gun positions, or vehicle mounted AAA.

Only ONE of them can be infantry mounted. Be grateful that the high speed jets wizzing above you can be targeted at all by your plasmaguns!

Why are your infantry lacking in anti-flier weapons? because its hard to fit one of these on ya shoulder









guard can twinlink weapons which helps enormously, orks have lootaz and a negligible change to their BS...im more thinking of MEQ armies having much greater problems with flyers than GEQ's, due to lack of volume.

Simple. Take a two aegis with dual quad guns. They kill everything.

leohart wrote:Simple. Take a two aegis with dual quad guns. They kill everything.

You can only take 1 fortification per force org chart, so you would need to be playing 2000 points to take 2.

:(

but yea, the only way to deal with fliers is fliers of your own. Fortunately every army either has fliers, or can ally with an army that has fliers.

Vector strikes cause d3+1hits at the FMC's unmodified str on side armor, AP3

good for killing fliers

Seriously, weight of fire kills fliers just as surely as something with Skyfire does. Skyfire does it faster thats all.

For IG w/o hydras, heavy weapon teams with autocannons and Bring It Down order.

Horst wrote:

DaKKaLAnce wrote:As a DE player, I usually have a flyer or 2, so taking them down is no problem. but I can see it will be hard to do it without one since GW only gave SM & friends the skyfire option.

As a blood angel player, I have no problems with fliers either I'm gonna be packing a storm raven or two all the time now.

I'm running with plasmaguns and dual pistols on the vet. Gives me 6 shots at S7 AP2, often coming in behind the fliers.
Twin-linked assault cannons do wonders to fliers.
Then you could always bring the game to a halt with a blood lance debate.

-Matt

I think the delay in releasing any rules for Aa in current codices I.e. no flakk missile or similar FAQ/errata is likely becuase gw see this lack of aa being felt a good opportunity to flog their new fliers. I have no real problem with this just that I don't really want a flyer in my army.

Kevlar wrote:Don't forget that infantry is pretty much immune to fliers as well, especially very large blocks of them. Its like a mexican standoff.

Huh? Last time I checked, Tesla Annihilators kicked infantry ass.

Sigvatr wrote:

Kevlar wrote:Don't forget that infantry is pretty much immune to fliers as well, especially very large blocks of them. Its like a mexican standoff.

Huh? Last time I checked, Tesla Annihilators kicked infantry ass.

He just hasn't played against dual/triple Doom Scythes yet.

Twin linked weapons are where its at without skyfire, in the games ive played against fliers ive cast Divination Precscience (the re-roll hits primary power) from my Librarian on one of my auto/las preds and its taken fliers out pretty solidly (with help others at times). Shooting down a Stormraven with 300-400 points of troops in it while zooming - priceless.

Sigvatr wrote:Huh? Last time I checked, Tesla Annihilators kicked infantry ass.

How many MEQ per turn do they kill?

Jihallah wrote:Vector strikes cause d3+1hits at the FMC's unmodified str on side armor, AP3

good for killing fliers

I believe the OP question addresses "Infantry" solutions.

Missile Launchers will get flakk missiles as an upgrade eventually, but as of this posting they haven't received them yet.

Until then, mass fire on them and hope for the best.

DE splitter cannons for MFCs.

IG? Anti-Flyers? Isn't that what Hydras were invented for?