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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Pick and choose!

Ooh, that's a big deal. Thanks!

 pretre wrote:
Hmm. So we might not have HP enforcers for second survey? So when/what will we get to replace the 'temporary' enforcers?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-the-sci-fi-miniatures-board-game/posts/645692

Read the update, it should help.

 sukura636 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Hmm. So we might not have HP enforcers for second survey? So when/what will we get to replace the 'temporary' enforcers?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-the-sci-fi-miniatures-board-game/posts/645692

Read the update, it should help.

Doesn't help a bit if the following is more recent, and I think it is:

James M Hewitt wrote: Confusion everywhere!

The hard plastic Enforcers are still a WIP. Things are looking good, but it's too early to say 100% for certain! In any case, they're not due for ages - these are available in the meantime. Of what's available, the Captain and Specialists will stay in Restic; the basic troopers will hopefully go to Hard Plastic, along with the Peacekeepers.

As I said, though, nothing's set in stone!

This is the applicable bit of the update text:

Ronnie Renton wrote:If it is not up to the quality we expect, I will keep all those kits in resin plastic as was originally planned in the Kickstarter, and we will put the Peacekeepers into Resin Plastic as well. If anyone has added extras because they were hard plastic we will of course offer the option of exchanging those for other items or a refund. I don't expect any of that will be the case, but I just want to cover all the bases.

The update stated that if hard plastic doesn't work out, they're tooling everything in restic, including the peacekeepers and plague zombies, and offering refunds to anyone who bought peacekeepers/ plague zombies assuming they would be hard plastic.

James is basically saying the same thing that Ronnie said. It might work out, it might not. They don't know yet, there has been no change in status to report as of yet.

As for a timescale, one thing is probably certain... if we don't hear anything before Chinese New Year (Jan 31st), we definitely won't hear anything until after it is over (17th Feb). So, if the end of the month deadline slips, Mantic will be left waiting a little longer before they're able to let us know what's going on.

Do they intend to hold back wave 2 shipments until they figure it out and get the figures produced in whatever material?

I think the second survey runs through the end of March with a May ship date?

They could easily get hard plastics in time to ship - remember, ALL the plastic Deadzone terrain was airfreighted to Mantic, not slow-boat.

 judgedoug wrote:
I think the second survey runs through the end of March with a May ship date?

They could easily get hard plastics in time to ship - remember, ALL the plastic Deadzone terrain was airfreighted to Mantic, not slow-boat.

But what if they have to tool for restic?

And would we have the chance to opt out of restic prior to them shipping if the surveys are already closed?

What does this mean for the plastics other than enforcers and zombies?

I'm honestly curious as to what the real plan is, not just trying to be a pain in the booty.

 scarletsquig wrote:
This is the applicable bit of the update text:

Ronnie Renton wrote:If it is not up to the quality we expect, I will keep all those kits in resin plastic as was originally planned in the Kickstarter, and we will put the Peacekeepers into Resin Plastic as well. If anyone has added extras because they were hard plastic we will of course offer the option of exchanging those for other items or a refund. I don't expect any of that will be the case, but I just want to cover all the bases.

The update stated that if hard plastic doesn't work out, they're tooling everything in restic, including the peacekeepers and plague zombies, and offering refunds to anyone who bought peacekeepers/ plague zombies assuming they would be hard plastic.

James is basically saying the same thing that Ronnie said. It might work out, it might not. They don't know yet, there has been no change in status to report as of yet.

As for a timescale, one thing is probably certain... if we don't hear anything before Chinese New Year (Jan 31st), we definitely won't hear anything until after it is over (17th Feb). So, if the end of the month deadline slips, Mantic will be left waiting a little longer before they're able to let us know what's going on.

IF it doesn't work out, I'm definitely taking the 'refund' option.

 CptJake wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
I think the second survey runs through the end of March with a May ship date?

They could easily get hard plastics in time to ship - remember, ALL the plastic Deadzone terrain was airfreighted to Mantic, not slow-boat.

But what if they have to tool for restic?

And would we have the chance to opt out of restic prior to them shipping if the surveys are already closed?

What does this mean for the plastics other than enforcers and zombies?

I'm honestly curious as to what the real plan is, not just trying to be a pain in the booty.

Oh, I would assume that Ronnie's quote "If it is not up to the quality we expect, I will keep all those kits in resin plastic as was originally planned in the Kickstarter, and we will put the Peacekeepers into Resin Plastic as well. If anyone has added extras because they were hard plastic we will of course offer the option of exchanging those for other items or a refund. I don't expect any of that will be the case, but I just want to cover all the bases." would apply.

That annoys me since a big part of why I went in was the plastic FF's. Hopefully they get this worked out but the fact that it isn't worked out on a single unit yet out of the 5 units they were going to provide in plastic is a little worrying since they were supposed to have this stuff out in the second quarter but I guess we'll see

I really want plastic forge fathers!

 CptJake wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
I think the second survey runs through the end of March with a May ship date?

They could easily get hard plastics in time to ship - remember, ALL the plastic Deadzone terrain was airfreighted to Mantic, not slow-boat.

But what if they have to tool for restic?

And would we have the chance to opt out of restic prior to them shipping if the surveys are already closed?

What does this mean for the plastics other than enforcers and zombies?

I'm honestly curious as to what the real plan is, not just trying to be a pain in the booty.

If enforcers are tooled for restic, then they'll sent out as normal, as far as I can see. Any issues with your order, you should be able to contact Mantic to sort things out.

As for non-KS plastics, Mantic are still determined to get things going, so we'll see what the future holds there. DZ plastics belong to Schrodinger right now - either Plastic or Restic. It might be worth adding a comment in your survey 2 stating which side of the fence you are on, to be safe.




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 Hulksmash wrote:
That annoys me since a big part of why I went in was the plastic FF's. Hopefully they get this worked out but the fact that it isn't worked out on a single unit yet out of the 5 units they were going to provide in plastic is a little worrying since they were supposed to have this stuff out in the second quarter but I guess we'll see

I really want plastic forge fathers!

They're using plague zombies to test the process. If it works on them, it works on anything. Meanwhile, sculpting on the other sets is still going on, regardless.

 Hulksmash wrote:
That annoys me since a big part of why I went in was the plastic FF's. Hopefully they get this worked out but the fact that it isn't worked out on a single unit yet out of the 5 units they were going to provide in plastic is a little worrying since they were supposed to have this stuff out in the second quarter but I guess we'll see

I really want plastic forge fathers!

Me too (I want hard plastic everything). I would assume, going by Ronnie recently discussing the almost done space zombies and James talking about the Enforcers, we'll see something soon. And anyways if the ship date is May there's still time, especially if Mantic airfreights these too. I mean, Mantic isn't known for being late on KS but hard plastic was one of those things that just a few pages ago everyone was saying it's worth delaying over, and I agree. Is there anyone who thinks Mantic should rush hard plastic and them be Men-At-Arms quality, or possibly take a little longer and have them be Orcs/Elves/Undead quality? And we all don't even know for sure what the current status is - so perhaps asking Mantic to do a DZ update with pictures or at least info about the hard plastic stuff wouldn't be too awful (or at least someone asking James to check this thread again) And honestly knowing Mantic they'll throw in more free stuff (they gave everyone free Goblin Fleabags and Dwarf Brock Riders when a chunk of the KoW Ks was delayed a bit), as they normally deliver early.

 sukura636 wrote:


If enforcers are tooled for restic, then they'll sent out as normal, as far as I can see. Any issues with your order, you should be able to contact Mantic to sort things out.

My worry is, if they have not decided on restic or plastic yet, the restic tooling and then the production may not be done in time without delaying the wave 2 shipment. Them rushing restic production is an even scarier proposition.

As for contacting Mantic with order issues... I've done so via several mechanisms including the 'fill in the online form' they directed me to do about 2 months ago for a Dread Ball delivery. I've inquired about it multiple times since submitting their form. And gotten ZERO replies as of today. Contacting them with order issues is a frustrating experience.

 sukura636 wrote:

If enforcers are tooled for restic, then they'll sent out as normal, as far as I can see.

Yeah don't forget all Enforcers were supposed to be restic - it wasn't even a stretch goal. It was just a post-KS announcement that they believe they could do it in hard plastic. If it fails horribly then people will get the original DZ-style Enforcers in restic.

For instance I added on a ton of restic Enforcers, including individual poses. So I have no idea how many I'm suppose to get if the hard plastic works out.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
That annoys me since a big part of why I went in was the plastic FF's. Hopefully they get this worked out but the fact that it isn't worked out on a single unit yet out of the 5 units they were going to provide in plastic is a little worrying since they were supposed to have this stuff out in the second quarter but I guess we'll see

I really want plastic forge fathers!

Me too (I want hard plastic everything). I would assume, going by Ronnie recently discussing the almost done space zombies and James talking about the Enforcers, we'll see something soon. And anyways if the ship date is May there's still time, especially if Mantic airfreights these too. I mean, Mantic isn't known for being late on KS but hard plastic was one of those things that just a few pages ago everyone was saying it's worth delaying over, and I agree. Is there anyone who thinks Mantic should rush hard plastic and them be Men-At-Arms quality, or possibly take a little longer and have them be Orcs/Elves/Undead quality? And we all don't even know for sure what the current status is - so perhaps asking Mantic to do a DZ update with pictures or at least info about the hard plastic stuff wouldn't be too awful (or at least someone asking James to check this thread again) And honestly knowing Mantic they'll throw in more free stuff (they gave everyone free Goblin Fleabags and Dwarf Brock Riders when a chunk of the KoW Ks was delayed a bit), as they normally deliver early.

*Cough* Scroll up read my news post (okay its on the previous page). Update is coming soon.

Repeating this for anyone who missed it:

 sukura636 wrote:
Actual News/Rumor - EGADS

After chatting to Ronnie/Mantic, I've been asked to relay that the progress of Hard Plastic enforcers(etc) will be made and made public soon, with a full update, and more info on the way afterwards. All before the Survey Two deadline.

Repeating - you'll know whether or not Hard Plastics are go before the Survey Two Deadline.

And even if the result is in the negative, Mantic will still be pursuing Hard Plastics with fervour.

 CptJake wrote:
Them rushing restic production is an even scarier proposition.

No doubt on that one!

The only thing worse than 'restic' is 'rush job restic'!

 CptJake wrote:

 sukura636 wrote:


If enforcers are tooled for restic, then they'll sent out as normal, as far as I can see. Any issues with your order, you should be able to contact Mantic to sort things out.

My worry is, if they have not decided on restic or plastic yet, the restic tooling and then the production may not be done in time without delaying the wave 2 shipment. Them rushing restic production is an even scarier proposition.

As for contacting Mantic with order issues... I've done so via several mechanisms including the 'fill in the online form' they directed me to do about 2 months ago for a Dread Ball delivery. I've inquired about it multiple times since submitting their form. And gotten ZERO replies as of today. Contacting them with order issues is a frustrating experience.

Yes, to be honest it's seems like they either don't care or are deliberately delaying for some reason. The first reply I got to Dreadball last year was that my missing bits would be sent out ASAP, got nothing then filled out the form, got nothing, now fill out the form again? Mystery Mantic.

Well they did say they'd be dealing with replacements/missing bits in January for Deadzone and since it's still January they've got time

(especially since it's clear they were running out of everything and probably need to wait for the new stock intended to go into the retail chain to arrive)

But those who are waiting on Dreadball bit's I'd try chasing them up on facebook (it worked for me)

I personally haven't had any problems getting replacement bits, I was dealing with Sarah Clark for Nov/Dec as she was hired as their dedicated Cust Svc person; hopefully she didn't quit or something due to the volume of complaints! haha

 judgedoug wrote:
I personally haven't had any problems getting replacement bits, I was dealing with Sarah Clark for Nov/Dec as she was hired as their dedicated Cust Svc person; hopefully she didn't quit or something due to the volume of complaints! haha

She is the one who told me to fill out the form. Which I did. Emailing her today got the "I'm on holiday" auto reply I partially quoted earlier today. Part of that auto reply is a referral to the form.

 skrulnik wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
I don't mind restic at all. I just want good restic where extra attention is paid not to get heat-twisted casts, mould lines on the worst possible spot and a variety of other issues with the material that Mantic seems to have but Privateer does not.

At least with hard plastic though, if they screw up on the mould design and have mould lines destroying detail, it's way, way easier to salvage.

If you have bought any recent plastic kits from PP lately, you would know how wrong you are.
Their plastics are no better than Mantic's.
The new Trollblood Warders, for example, have horrible mold lines on the heads.
Or any of the Convergence warjack and infantry kits.
And many of their plastic kits have the tears and twists from sprue removal.

I must have just been really lucky, but I assemebled a 50 point convergence army for a friend and has no issues at all. Not a single piece needed heat treating and all the mould lines where on edges or flat plans and were easy to remove.

 CptJake wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
I personally haven't had any problems getting replacement bits, I was dealing with Sarah Clark for Nov/Dec as she was hired as their dedicated Cust Svc person; hopefully she didn't quit or something due to the volume of complaints! haha

She is the one who told me to fill out the form. Which I did. Emailing her today got the "I'm on holiday" auto reply I partially quoted earlier today. Part of that auto reply is a referral to the form.

This is called the Manticloop, a quantum space-time anomaly very similar to the one encountered in the episode of Star Trek TNG "Cause and Effect". However, hopefully you won't be caught in it for 80 years like the USS Bozeman.

So while they're buggering about trying to sort out whether they can do actual plastic or not, what's happening with all the missing/incorrect deadzone orders?

 frozenwastes wrote:

 skrulnik wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
I don't mind restic at all. I just want good restic where extra attention is paid not to get heat-twisted casts, mould lines on the worst possible spot and a variety of other issues with the material that Mantic seems to have but Privateer does not.

At least with hard plastic though, if they screw up on the mould design and have mould lines destroying detail, it's way, way easier to salvage.

If you have bought any recent plastic kits from PP lately, you would know how wrong you are.
Their plastics are no better than Mantic's.
The new Trollblood Warders, for example, have horrible mold lines on the heads.
Or any of the Convergence warjack and infantry kits.
And many of their plastic kits have the tears and twists from sprue removal.

I must have just been really lucky, but I assemebled a 50 point convergence army for a friend and has no issues at all. Not a single piece needed heat treating and all the mould lines where on edges or flat plans and were easy to remove.

Wish I could say the same. I'm in the middle of a huge CoC commission (2-3 of every 'Jack, unit, and solo, plus all the Warcasters) and the restic 'Jack kits have been...unpleasant to work with. The large cogs on the weapons on the Inverter and Monitor have huge mold lines/slippage running right smack through the middle, and the spokes/tines of the cogs are sunken in like not enough material was used.The there are weird, deep-set swirls of restic on the front end of the Ciphers' weapons, and weird indentations/bumps pretty much everywhere else, and the usual badly-place mold lines. I've had pretty much the same cascade of problems like I just listed on EVERY restic PP model I've worked on, with the exception of the RoS heavies.

~Tim?

I'm no huge fan of PP restic either. I wouldn't say anything was as bad as my DZ rebs, but their casting quality is not notably higher then the better mantic stuff I've gotten.

 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:

Wish I could say the same. I'm in the middle of a huge CoC commission (2-3 of every 'Jack, unit, and solo, plus all the Warcasters) and the restic 'Jack kits have been...unpleasant to work with. The large cogs on the weapons on the Inverter and Monitor have huge mold lines/slippage running right smack through the middle, and the spokes/tines of the cogs are sunken in like not enough material was used.The there are weird, deep-set swirls of restic on the front end of the Ciphers' weapons, and weird indentations/bumps pretty much everywhere else, and the usual badly-place mold lines. I've had pretty much the same cascade of problems like I just listed on EVERY restic PP model I've worked on, with the exception of the RoS heavies.

That sucks. Though it's entirely possible my good experience with the Convergence jacks are the result of them being the ones pre-sold at the lock & load tournament. So they would have been part of a small run and likely with fresh moulds.

So I guess I'm going to have to admit I'm wrong on this one. It seems like inconsistent and crappy results is the norm with this material.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So while they're buggering about trying to sort out whether they can do actual plastic or not, what's happening with all the missing/incorrect deadzone orders?

I'd imagine they have a bunch of lists waiting for new stock to arrive along with all the stuff they need for their main retail release

Once they stock arrives they'll get on with sending stuff out (and based on my dreadball experience stuff will just arrive in the mailbox as there's no cost effective way to do tracking especially on international orders)

Sending out the missing stuff may take some time, according to a poll on the Mantic forums, around 70% of shipped orders have something wrong with them. It'll take them a while if there's 2-3k people to sort out. Of course there will be quite a lot of people who don't bother to check for missing parts inside the bags, I know I definitely didn't bother with the KoW KS.

I just filled out the form for missing parts (nothing major for me, one minor bag mixup, and one missing flying stand for a rebs drone).

It's another point in favour of hard plastic, easier to package and inventory a bunch of sprues rather than hundreds of tiny bags with hundreds of tiny pieces in them.

Plus, with sprues you don't tend to get the variance of mould lines/ warping etc. that is native to restic.

You'll notice that people tend to either say that the flash is utterly horrible, or that it was fine and they don't know what everyone else is whinging about. The thing is.. both those people can be 100% correct with their statements, since the casting quality is all over the place. To some extent it depends on if you got lucky or not or how busy/ tired/ bored the caster over in China was while doing your particular batch... the human labour element involved adds variance to the quality. Certainly Dreadball suffered a lot from rush-job restic, KoW wave 3 was delayed, but better quality.

Anyway, I'm not sure if anyone still isn't aware, but Dreadball Extreme KS is coming very soon, possibly in 5-6 weeks time.

 Alpharius wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
Them rushing restic production is an even scarier proposition.

No doubt on that one!

The only thing worse than 'restic' is 'rush job restic'!

You mean unannounced metal models.