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I was pondering to myself how a fight like that would go down and thought hey lets start a discussion

Daemon Prince Fulgrim bested Roboute Guilliman by slashing his throat with a poisoned blade.

Well, seeing as in how there are no loyalist primarchs. Default win goes to chaos


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Alive that is

Horus (Daemon Primarch) violated Sanguinus (primarch)

Granted he was a bit jacked up at the time

Magnus could down titans with his eyeball.. Lets see a loyalist Primarch do that

A lot of it also depends on the writer, and their Bias (GK VS Mortarion for example). Most of the writers for BL churn out bolterporn propaganda for the IOM, so there's a definite slant there

Cool, I had wondered how Guilliman had died. but are the daemon primarchs more powerful given their daemonic ascension or not?

Brother Thomas wrote:Well, seeing as in how there are no loyalist primarchs. Default win goes to chaos


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Alive that is

A couple of them are listed as MIA rather than KIA, but Chaos still has at least the Big Four still extant, and technically available for use.

djkelly wrote:Cool, I had wondered how Guilliman had died.

He didn't die. They have him in suspended animation on Macragge.

djkelly wrote:but are the daemon primarchs more powerful given their daemonic ascension or not?

We don't have stats for a Primarch or a Daemon Primarch (well, maybe there are FW stats for Angron?) so I don't know. Becoming a daemon prince probably gives you both new powers and new limitations.

Well supposedly Lion is also napping. So he is a viable choice as a loyalist primarch.

Wardragoon wrote:Well supposedly Lion is also napping. So he is a viable choice as a loyalist primarch.

He is cypher.

Kevlar wrote:He is cypher.

Not sure if serious ...

Jonson and Guilliman are in suspended animation, Russ and Corax are off in the Eye of Terror. If they ever get around to doing a 40k "endtimes" story, I'm sure all four of them will wake up/come back for the final battle against their daemon brothers.

arkhamjack wrote:

Kevlar wrote:He is cypher.

Not sure if serious ...

Jonson and Guilliman are in suspended animation, Russ and Corax are off in the Eye of Terror. If they ever get around to doing a 40k "endtimes" story, I'm sure all four of them will wake up/come back for the final battle against their daemon brothers.

Not sure how Guilliman will wake up. If you release him from stasis he will die because he is poisoned. Even if he is healing he is still poisoned.

They'll retcon it as a mild case of flu, probably..

Khan also has to come back.

He's been a labrat for the DE for 10000 years. I'm not sure i'd want him back

Has he.... and we need vulkan

The daemon Primarchs have all the power they had when they were loyal....

Plus the power of chaos.

Or so i thought?

Magnus could take all of the loyalist primarchs on his worst day, if you take all of the allegiances out of it. He was reluctant to fight Russ, after all. He would have beat him senseless and then fileted his spirit and fed it to warp beasts.

Sharkvictim wrote:Magnus could take all of the loyalist primarchs on his worst day, if you take all of the allegiances out of it. He was reluctant to fight Russ, after all. He would have beat him senseless and then fileted his spirit and fed it to warp beasts.

Russ beat him fairly. Magnus went all out on him with psychic attacks, but Russ endured it and managed to kick Magnus' ass.

Great White wrote:Has he.... and we need vulkan

We need Corax, one of the better primarchs, didn't create his own empire, wasn't gullible, good tactician, wasn't a sociopath, the only bad thing he did was screw up his legion's geneseed through experimentation, which was for good intentions at least, and only causes them to look emo (pale skin and black hair) and not spit acid IIRC.

The disadvantage for Daemon Primarchs is that they need a connection to the warp to sustain them or their time in the material realm is limited.

In a straight out fight a Daemon Primarch would win I think, but I reckon it would be a close thing. If a Primarch got this sussed out they would draw the fight out or destroy what ever source they were drawing their power from.

Or just call in the Grey Knights

Edit: Spellinz

No. They are all dead or mia. Plain and simple as I've been told 40k is a setting not a story. So they're never coming back which means this will never happen.

Caveot: the following is completely my version of fluff, so arguing that it's not cannon is pointless. Arguing it's stupid is up to your own discretion.

Let's not forget Sanguinius. I like to think that the sanguinor is indeed the psykic remnant of Sanguinius, and has every potential to be brought back into real space (perhaps requiring a noble sacrifice of one of his sons corporal body). I'd like to see him and the other loyal primarchs having all returned from their various destinations, minus dorn and the iron hands guy of course, in a battle royal against the traitor primarchs. The traitors would be missing Horus obviously, and I think the
Haunter one died too? Anyways, that's be a great fight to see.


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Also, Abbadon and Draigo could tag along for this fight too. They'd be like the little brothers fighting off to the side of the main event.

Pilau Rice wrote:The disadvantage for Daemon Primarchs is that they need a connection to the warp to sustain them or their time in the material realm is limited.

In a straight out fight a Daemon Primarch would win I think, but I reckon it would be a close thing. If a Primarch got this susses out they would draw the fight out or destroy what ever source they were drawing their power from.

Or just call in the Grey Knights

My understanding is that as long as the daemon has a host tied to the material realm it doesn't need to be tied to the warp. Though I don't know I've never heard of a vanquished daemon primarch dying/coming back XD

Loyalist wise I'm not too sure. Vulkan is MIA and supposedly will return when the Salamanders find his car keys.

Gharron wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:The disadvantage for Daemon Primarchs is that they need a connection to the warp to sustain them or their time in the material realm is limited.

In a straight out fight a Daemon Primarch would win I think, but I reckon it would be a close thing. If a Primarch got this susses out they would draw the fight out or destroy what ever source they were drawing their power from.

Or just call in the Grey Knights

My understanding is that as long as the daemon has a host tied to the material realm it doesn't need to be tied to the warp. Though I don't know I've never heard of a vanquished daemon primarch dying/coming back XD

Have a look at the First war or Armageddon and the Battle for the Fang. Both instances where Daemon Primarchs vented their anger on the Material realm and were both banished back to the warp.

Kevlar wrote:

Wardragoon wrote:Well supposedly Lion is also napping. So he is a viable choice as a loyalist primarch.

He is cypher.

Actually, he is Alpharius.

Gharron wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:The disadvantage for Daemon Primarchs is that they need a connection to the warp to sustain them or their time in the material realm is limited.

In a straight out fight a Daemon Primarch would win I think, but I reckon it would be a close thing. If a Primarch got this susses out they would draw the fight out or destroy what ever source they were drawing their power from.

Or just call in the Grey Knights

My understanding is that as long as the daemon has a host tied to the material realm it doesn't need to be tied to the warp. Though I don't know I've never heard of a vanquished daemon primarch dying/coming back XD

In Battle for the Fang Magnus

LoneLictor wrote:

Sharkvictim wrote:Magnus could take all of the loyalist primarchs on his worst day, if you take all of the allegiances out of it. He was reluctant to fight Russ, after all. He would have beat him senseless and then fileted his spirit and fed it to warp beasts.

Russ beat him fairly. Magnus went all out on him with psychic attacks, but Russ endured it and managed to kick Magnus' ass.

1. I hardly think that accidentally punching someone in the eye while flailing wildly because they're in the process of pulling your heart out of your ribcage counts as either a fair victory or kicking their ass.

2. Magnus was also psychically stopping the fight on the rest of the planet and getting attacked by a bunch of Space Wolves while he fought Russ IIRC, so that hardly counts as being able to go all out against him.

Anyhow, the power of Chaos was enough to make Luther, who wasn't a even a true Space Marine, strong enough to match, or almost match, a primarch, and the only recorded battle between a primarch and daemon primarch has the daemon primarch as the victor.

Lets see a daemon primarch would turn into a daemon prince and sanguinius beat up and banished the greatest daemon prince ever...ka'banda

Sanguinius would win he's kinda the man, his brothers are cool to I guess so they might win