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So they can keep selling the digital version of the SM codex? So can we expect that SM will not be updated for at least 1 or mabye 2 years from now? Just reading the What's New, and they keep throwing the digitial version of the SM codex so I was wondering it wouildn't be very good to sell that then have a new version in such a short time to get it repleaced.

Since Necrons just got released, it's safe to say they will not get a new codex for some time now, so it can go digital. Why would they release a digital version of SM if they don't intend to make a SM codex for 6th sometime soon.

Also do you think that SW, and IG and Tyrnids will be getting a digital codex, or they will get one untill they get a 6th edition codex?

Just some thoughts.

Being GW they will try to push the digital as far as they can and then make a new paper codex so they can sell that and a new digital copy afterwards.

It's GW extra useless stuff, fewer useful things.

I think you overestimate the amount of effort required to create the digital codexes. Marines got one because they're the most popular faction, not some conspiracy to sell outdated rules.

its gw and a enw edition they will release a new vanilla marines codex withing a few years of the new edition as it is thier biggest group of players. I think that is why it was the first digital release to encouragethe most sales nd recoup the cost of getting the format and such down. i'd expect a digital format of most codexes eventually provided that one sells well

No idea. It makes you wonder if they have some near future plans for the codices that have not gotten a digital release yet or if they are on the schedule but just have not been completed yet. I can say there is no way in hell I would pay the digital price for the current Tyranid codex. It is not worth the paper it is printed on currently let alone at the digital cost.

I wonder if they plan on just releasing the new codices like the rule books. Might be an interesting way to get people to invest in the digital codices. Release the digital awhile before releasing the printed version. Kind of like releasing the monsterously big and expensive main rulebook months ahead of the little copy everyone ends up using out of the box set.

It may not be updated for another year or two, but don't forget we still have 5 or 6 armies still using 4th edition books (Black Templars, Tau, Eldar, Dark Angels, Chaos Space Marines, and one could possibly classify Daemons since they did technically come out in the last few weeks of 4E but they have wargear and rules that literally do not work under 4E either, they're really the first 5E book). That is likely more of a reason than anything.

Vaktathi wrote:It may not be updated for another year or two, but don't forget we still have 5 or 6 armies still using 4th edition books (Black Templars, Tau, Eldar, Dark Angels, Chaos Space Marines, and one could possibly classify Daemons since they did technically come out in the last few weeks of 4E but they have wargear and rules that literally do not work under 4E either, they're really the first 5E book). That is likely more of a reason than anything.

ya forgot da orks which are also 4th edition

Ah yes, I did, true.

They need to fix the more, broken army's I guess, Chaos SM, Tau, 'Nids( From what I hear ESPECIALLY Nids), Eldar, and Orks (Less of orks, but they did get quite nerfed in 6th)

TheWildHost wrote:They need to fix the more, broken army's I guess, Chaos SM, Tau, 'Nids( From what I hear ESPECIALLY Nids), Eldar, and Orks (Less of orks, but they did get quite nerfed in 6th)

How are chaos, orks, and nids broken?

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

TheWildHost wrote:They need to fix the more, broken army's I guess, Chaos SM, Tau, 'Nids( From what I hear ESPECIALLY Nids), Eldar, and Orks (Less of orks, but they did get quite nerfed in 6th)

How are chaos, orks, and nids broken?

I won't speak to Nids since there are a legion of threads on them and they've only 2 years old at this point, and I don't play Orks so I won't get too deep into them. However, with CSM's, there are several issues. First is that half the book never sees a table because it's useless (Spawn)/nonfunctional (Chaos dreads) or another unit does the same thing better, much moreso than *most* of the newer books. Second is that, unless you are playing a Cult army, you can often make a very similar or in some cases identical list with Codex: Space Wolves (right down to the same wargear and upgrades on each model) and have more abilities and special rules and an extra 10-20% of your points left over to spend.

The odds are we will get an updated book for Codex Marines sometime during 6th, but I suspect that it won't be for a while, given that Chaos Space Marine, Dark Angels, Black Templars, Eldar, Orks, Tau, and Sisters haven't been updated in 5th. Tyranids are the only codex other than Codex Marines that get an update every edition (I guess there must be a lot of 'Nid players), and are much more in need of a rebalance than Marines. If I had to make a wager, I would suggest that the order that codexes will be updated will be Chaos Marines, Tau, DA or BT, Eldar, Vanilla Marines, Orks, Tyranids, Marine Variant, Sisters, New Codex/Other 5th Codex. However, as this is literally just one dude making a wild guess, this could end up being entirely wrong.

But anyways, I can think of 3 reasons why C:SM got the digital update first. The first reason is that they are the most popular army in 40k, thus they are expected to sell the most. The second is that they are the poster army of 40k, and best represent the first steps into the digital market for the company. The third is that as the most popular codex, it was a good way of testing the waters, so to speak, because if Marines couldn't get enough digital sales to justify the option, it would be a telling indicator to GW to either rethink or outright discontinue digital codex sales.

well, the last codex was necrons... so next up should be an imperial SM faction.

so maybe: dark angels or gaurd. (gaurd could sneak by with just a dex, since they have pretty much functional and wide range of models available)

after that, if the rumors of chaos in the starter box are true, it includes cultists wich dont have rules. so i could see a chaos dex hitting by the end of the year. of course thats based on a "translated" chinese document.... so who knows. i would love to see a tyranid update/fix and with new bugs out recently i was hoping thats sign of at least a pulse...

I highly doubt IG would get a new book anytime soon, they're still fairly "new", and being a non-SM book typically go for long periods of time without update, and going less than 4 years would be astounding even for an SM codex. There's still Dark Angels (most likely), Black Templars, and Sisters of Battle out there to do.

Next is DA and Chaos, because they're in the starter set.

Bludbaff wrote:I think you overestimate the amount of effort required to create the digital codexes. Marines got one because they're the most popular faction, not some conspiracy to sell outdated rules.

Right, because, honestly, how many of us already have a digital version of the space marine codex?

If it took some guy on the internet all of 5 minutes to scan the SM codex and put it up on pirate bay, how hard really could it be for GW to release a digital version. If anything, I'm really rather surprised that 100% of GW's current literature doesn't have a digital version already. I mean, how hard really is it?

I doubt guard will get a codex in 6th - much like their 3rd edition codex was for 4th, the current is more than adequate in the new edition. Necrons much the same way. Even thought they also really don't need it, I can't imagine GW NOT releasing a vanilla marines book. Grey Knights, Space Wolves, and Blood Angels are all in good standing as well, so shouldn't need an update, but might get one anyway.

Eldar, Tau, Nids, and Chaos are all big contenders for needing a new codex. Black Templars, Dark Angels, and Sisters are all Imperial factions that need new rules, so along with the SM book, that'd let them keep the standard codex schedule for the next three-ish years.

TheWildHost wrote:They need to fix the more, broken army's I guess, Chaos SM, Tau, 'Nids( From what I hear ESPECIALLY Nids), Eldar, and Orks (Less of orks, but they did get quite nerfed in 6th)

Please, any player of those armies that's worth a damn not only disagrees with that statement, but regularly wins games. Just because those codexes aren't easy mode like playing guard, or derp wing grey knights doesn't mean they are worthless.

The next book that's not chaos will more than likely be a vanilla marine codex that includes dark angels and maybe black templars. There's no reason to think it's a sham as to why they are trying to sell the digital codex, besides the price.

juraigamer wrote:

TheWildHost wrote:They need to fix the more, broken army's I guess, Chaos SM, Tau, 'Nids( From what I hear ESPECIALLY Nids), Eldar, and Orks (Less of orks, but they did get quite nerfed in 6th)

Please, any player of those armies that's worth a damn not only disagrees with that statement, but regularly wins games. Just because those codexes aren't easy mode like playing guard, or derp wing grey knights doesn't mean they are worthless.

The next book that's not chaos will more than likely be a vanilla marine codex that includes dark angels and maybe black templars. There's no reason to think it's a sham as to why they are trying to sell the digital codex, besides the price.

As a Daemons player, I agree that the xenos armies tend to attract better players while the bulk of the power armour tends to be a much more forgiving force.

Still, we're in desperate need of an update, and you can truely say that our books are 'broken' since large chunks of them are next to useless and/or ludicrously over-costed... (Furies for example from the Daemons book are horribad, while Noise Marines pay through the nose for a modified storm bolter!)
It sucks for example knowing that I have to take a fairly specific cookie-cutter build just to stay competitive, especially when you see the newer books and the whole range of buildd types they offer!



As for the next books? I have a gut feeling that it will go;
1) Chaos Space Marines
2) Dark Angels
3) (sm)Eldar
4) Daemons
5) Templars
6) Tau

CSM's & DA's are pretty much shoe-ins as the first books as they're basically comfirmed to be the new core set armies, and then you've got to get into the armies that have been utterly ignored for an entire edition!

Ailaros wrote:

Bludbaff wrote:I think you overestimate the amount of effort required to create the digital codexes. Marines got one because they're the most popular faction, not some conspiracy to sell outdated rules.

Right, because, honestly, how many of us already have a digital version of the space marine codex?

If it took some guy on the internet all of 5 minutes to scan the SM codex and put it up on pirate bay, how hard really could it be for GW to release a digital version. If anything, I'm really rather surprised that 100% of GW's current literature doesn't have a digital version already. I mean, how hard really is it?

i was curious abotu this myself so i made my own personally scanned pdf files for my ork codex then modified it for links to every piece of wargear in the book (ork codex has the worst armory of any codex it all says see page x) each entry is a link to a piece of war gear that goes to the coresponding page. click on it in that padge and it takes you back to the armory entry. also added in faq changes where i highlight text where a change has occured with a link to the faq section.. and again click on the faq to take you back to the regular rule book page. i even added in note function, works great on my phone (samsung galaxy nexus) near instant page loading . took about 4 hours to program everythign and that was not at a rushed pace

scanning probably also took 3-4 hours ..

now they did change some stuff and add more format stuff but if more than 50 hours was put into that they should fire thier programmer (and hire me provided i get a employee discount)

i still dont think itll be chaos in the starter box... thats not been confirmed with any kind of reliability, and there have not been any substantial rumors to support. if it works out that way - great. they need a new dex pretty bad... but im still thinking itll be marines vrs a xenos of some kind

i'm in agreance it'd be dumb to have chaos in a starter box.. parents will just read demons and not want to buy it for thier children.. i could be wrong but i doubt it'll be chaos it would not be a good marketing move.. necrons vs marines would work though and they have a recent codex ... kind of liek AoBR where orks were one of the last 4th edition dex's vs the new shiny marines codex

G00fySmiley wrote:i'm in agreance it'd be dumb to have chaos in a starter box.. parents will just read demons and not want to buy it for thier children.. i could be wrong but i doubt it'll be chaos it would not be a good marketing move.. necrons vs marines would work though and they have a recent codex ... kind of liek AoBR where orks were one of the last 4th edition dex's vs the new shiny marines codex

This is a game where the opening summary on the first page of the rulebook in every edition states "Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods"

This is a game where the good guys are hyper xenophobic and often near omnicidal genetically engineered super soldiers, festooned with skulls and blades, where the rulebook cover is omonious armored soldiers in robes and skulls fighting giger-esque twisted versions of themselves and daemons.

The game's motto is very plain "In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only War"


I don't think it'll be an issue for the starter set.

Vaktathi wrote:

G00fySmiley wrote:i'm in agreance it'd be dumb to have chaos in a starter box.. parents will just read demons and not want to buy it for thier children.. i could be wrong but i doubt it'll be chaos it would not be a good marketing move.. necrons vs marines would work though and they have a recent codex ... kind of liek AoBR where orks were one of the last 4th edition dex's vs the new shiny marines codex

This is a game where the opening summary on the first page of the rulebook in every edition states "Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods"

This is a game where the good guys are hyper xenophobic and often near omnicidal genetically engineered super soldiers, festooned with skulls and blades, where the rulebook cover is omonious armored soldiers in robes and skulls fighting giger-esque twisted versions of themselves and daemons.


I don't think it'll be an issue for the starter set.

true but that is fluff and on the inside of the book i'm talkign abotu the outside of the box. parents often don't pay that much attention to what thier kids want in my experience but they would be able to at least casually read info and if it has chaos i see some american fundimentalist christians not buying it fo rthier kids thats all

i see nothing wrong with chaos models myself and might even get a chaos army if they are the starter box i just do think it'd hurt sales in some ways , they still ge tmy money pretty much no matter what for one starter set i want a smaller rulebook ... unless it is tau or imperial guard in which case idk i might jus tbuy the small book off ebay

G00fySmiley wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

G00fySmiley wrote:i'm in agreance it'd be dumb to have chaos in a starter box.. parents will just read demons and not want to buy it for thier children.. i could be wrong but i doubt it'll be chaos it would not be a good marketing move.. necrons vs marines would work though and they have a recent codex ... kind of liek AoBR where orks were one of the last 4th edition dex's vs the new shiny marines codex

This is a game where the opening summary on the first page of the rulebook in every edition states "Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods"

This is a game where the good guys are hyper xenophobic and often near omnicidal genetically engineered super soldiers, festooned with skulls and blades, where the rulebook cover is omonious armored soldiers in robes and skulls fighting giger-esque twisted versions of themselves and daemons.


I don't think it'll be an issue for the starter set.

true but that is fluff and on the inside of the book i'm talkign abotu the outside of the box. parents often don't pay that much attention to what thier kids want in my experience but they would be able to at least casually read info and if it has chaos i see some american fundimentalist christians not buying it fo rthier kids thats all

i see nothing wrong with chaos models myself and might even get a chaos army if they are the starter box i just do think it'd hurt sales in some ways , they still ge tmy money pretty much no matter what for one starter set i want a smaller rulebook ... unless it is tau or imperial guard in which case idk i might jus tbuy the small book off ebay

My mom paid no attention to wtf black reach was until I opened the box at home. She couldn't have cared less.

Eh, if hundreds of thousands of parents will buy their kids video games centered around carjackings and drug running, I wouldn't worry too much about daemonic looking bad guys on a toy soldier game besides, if they do that art anything like the 5E starter set was, they'll look harmless enough.

Vaktathi wrote:Eh, if hundreds of thousands of parents will buy their kids video games centered around carjackings and drug running, I wouldn't worry too much about daemonic looking bad guys on a toy soldier game besides, if they do that art anything like the 5E starter set was, they'll look harmless enough.

Oh the stories I could share about this!

i suppose. i guess i was just raised in the south where grand theft auto was ok because you could shoot stuff, where i got my first firearm at age 6 and knew how to fire it. btu god forbid you play dungeons and dragons thats satanic and you'll go to hell.

thats the kind of enviroment you get south of he mason dixie

well the codex's are getting hardback's...... which is probably the most updating GW is gonna do 4 a while

TheWildHost wrote:They need to fix the more, broken army's I guess, Chaos SM, Tau, 'Nids( From what I hear ESPECIALLY Nids), Eldar, and Orks (Less of orks, but they did get quite nerfed in 6th)

I didn't think Orks got quite nerfed, honestly. Sure, Kan Walls are a bit lackluster now, but Orks have become the kings of overwatch and snap shots, since the entire codex is built around them having BS2 anyway. I've found Big Guns amazingly nasty now with the new Artillery rules, nob bikers are arguably far nastier now (a 4+ cover save at all times in a world of 5+, no more need to throw random equipment around to differentiate, all-character unit for throwing out wounds like candy, T5 base...), burna boyz can potentially wipe entire squads during overwatch, and with flyers now a thing, the Dakkajet/Bommers are true powerhouses.

I mean, they lost a few tricks, sure, but they still pack a hell of a punch.