Who is the most intelligent/smart person in the 40K lore? Both Psyker and not

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**Meriados**

As written on the title, who would it be? Maybe Eldrad? Vect? Tigurius? Creed? Calgar?

It's just a curiosity of mine, and please don't say "the Hive Mind"

Not only in the background, but also fieldable on the TT

**Squidmanlolz**

I hate the Crons, but I've gotta say Trazyn.

**PresidentOfAsia**

The Emperor

**ObliviousBlueCaboose**

Creed. He beat Tzeentch in a game of chess, and he outflanked a baneblade into Failbaddons bathroom.

Spoiler:

**Meriados**

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Creed. He beat Tzeentch in a game of chess, and he outflanked a baneblade into Failbaddons bathroom.

Spoiler:

You sir, are awesome.

**riverhawks32**

Creed most definitely, his model alone just screams "I'm a bawz."

**Ascalam**

Makari, until he got sat on and used as Squiggoth fodder

**Swiftblade**

I agree, it's CREEEEEEEEEEED!

**Lobokai**

Ahriman or Cypher, IMO

Creed's the meta choice, of course

**Dr. What**

Honestly, Ghazghkull Thraka. How many CSM have been capable of ripping through Armageddon, creating an endless war that constantly drains imperial resources, then proceed to raid every planet in the vicinity?

One.

**SagesStone**

Creed looks like a drooling fool compared to Macharius. Though Macharius isn't around any more.

**Doomaflatchi**

Most definitely Vect. He has managed, though pure wit and guile alone, to maintain the most solid powerbase of any faction in all of 40k, and he did it amongst the scheming, plotting, always-three-steps-ahead-of-you Dark Eldar. He went from being a slave to owning the city of betrayal, and has kept it very firmly under his thumb for thousands of years. No one can outplay Vect - and some of the most devious minds in the galaxy have tried.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Alpharius.

**Phototoxin**

Vect, he has all the cards and you don't even know you're playing poker with him...

**Meriados**

Phototoxin wrote:Vect, he has all the cards and you don't even know you're playing poker with him...

I was reading his fluff, and holy shiet, he has all the cards and makes you think you are playing golf with him.

**Cerebrium**

Tzeentch. He's the GOD of knowledge.

**Trondheim**

Khorne because brawns before brains . But seriosly I think either Creed or Solar Lord Macharius

**DOOMBREAD**

If we're discounting really OTT guys like the Emperor or Tzeentch, then probably the smartest psyker is Eldrad and the smartest person is either Vect or Imotekh, probably Imotekh.

**Laughing God**

Trondheim wrote:Khorne because brawns before brains . But seriosly I think either Creed or Solar Lord Macharius

Control is the only real definition of power, and who has more power a gorilla or a man who knows how to use a gun? Knowledge beats brawn every time, not to say brute strength doesnt have its place.

In terms of time in service Vect beats everyone in the intelect and strategy game. He has held power longer than Eldrad has been alive (We don't know how old Eldrad is but we know Vect has been around since before the fall when Eldrad wasnt even alive... efso facto) and has yet to fail as hard as the Necron who had to sleep because they lost control. My money is on Vect.

**The Mad Tanker**

Ursarkar E. Creed is known across the Imperium for his tactical brilliance, a brilliance that had not been seen for generations and allowed him to rapidly rise though the ranks of the shock troopers. He was even able to rise to the rank of Lord Castellan, despite his low birth.

**DPBellathrom**

2nd ogryn bone 'ed

**Talamare**

Marbo

He has been behind you this whole time waiting with a DetCharge

**Dark Apostle 666**

Ahriman has to know a fair bit... Magnus, obviously...

Vect isn't stupid, far from it, but he's more cunning than "smart", if you ask me.

In terms of intelligence... I'll say Ahriman, at least among the TT charecters.

**Plumbumbarum**

Swarmlord, obviously.

**Boneville**

Well obviously its draigo. he knows something we dont namely how to fight the warp on its own turf.

**Zweischneid**

Dark Apostle 666 wrote:Ahriman has to know a fair bit... Magnus, obviously...

Vect isn't stupid, far from it, but he's more cunning than "smart", if you ask me.

In terms of intelligence... I'll say Ahriman, at least among the TT charecters.

Vect is the most intelligent Dark Elder there is. Says so right there in his description. No two ways about it (though of course this sort of unsubtle in-your-face-fluff-writing should perhaps be ignored for the better of the setting).

**Ascalam**

In which case we can happily ignore 90% of the IOM fluff

Vect is the smarrtest DE. Donesn't make him the smartest overall, though it definitely puts him in the running..

Fateweaver perhaps?

**Paris.in.Flames**

A lot of people say Vect, but ive got my money on Malys.

At least as far as DE go. Not terribly familiar on other fluff.

**Wardragoon**

Talamare wrote:Marbo

He has been behind you this whole time waiting with a DetCharge

We are talking about the man who blows himself more often than not, thats not intelligence, thats terrorism

**Ascalam**

That's not intelligence, that's sneakyness

Intelligence may be involved to a degree, but i doubt he's an intellectual giant

One of these days they need to have a fluff-story about Marbo vs Snikrot