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This is more of a what if scenario but what if the Loyalist Primarchs returned? The ones unaccounted for return to the Imperium, and somehow, the dead ones come back to life and the wounded ones heal. What would they do? Would they work together to bring the Emperor back, would they go on a war to bring Chaos down? So lets discuss.

I don't think it would be possible to bring the great Emprah back, but they'd probably go some massive crusade or rebuild stuff. Guilliman would be the second emperor as said in the SM Codex and the others would be zipping around killing stuff.

I'd hate it.


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I mean, just the whole 'second emperor' thing. Having Russ, Ferrus, or Dorn back would be awesome. If they came back to life, the most probable way would be Dark Eldar Haemonculus vats or Chaos power. Both are heretical.

If Matt the almighty brings Girlyman back I'm gonna give up from warhammer 4life -also I' think Lion is in stasis but his own legion won't let him out beacuse they are better without him....
maybe if they bring Girlyman and Lionel we'll have a new civil war....

DatrhMarko wrote:I' think Lion is in stasis but his own legion won't let him out beacuse they are better without him....

This needs clarifying. It isn't mentioned in recent fluff, but way back in the 2nd edition Angels of Death codex we're told that Lion'el Jonson is "sleeping" in the deepest core of the Rock. That could be stasis, but it also mentions that no Dark Angels know he is there, not even the Supreme Grand Master. Hell, only the Supreme Grand Master even knows that Luther's hidden away in there, never mind Jonson.

I should think that the Dark Angels would very much like their Primarch to come back, please, if they knew he were alive. Right now they think he's long-since dead in spite of the Fallen prophesying his return.

As for the overall what if... most of the prophecies of Primarchs coming back refer to a final battle, the end times, the Wolftime as Russ called it... in other words, the most grimmy dark of all grimdarkness... so we'd likely have a massive battle on and around Terra - Horus Heresy II, if you like. As to the result of that - well, who knows.

There are too many " if " in DA realy to know anything ,all I' now ,if Lion awakes it will be heresy II -I'mean that guy was a perfect candidate for chaos undivided,he had all the traits(ENVY,AGGRESION,always CALCULATING and generaly he was a prick...)
I' like Lorgar more then him...

DatrhMarko wrote:If Matt the almighty brings Girlyman back I'm gonna give up from warhammer 4life -also I' think Lion is in stasis but his own legion won't let him out beacuse they are better without him....
maybe if they bring Girlyman and Lionel we'll have a new civil war....

It’s "Roboute Guilliman" to you, punk"

Redcruisair wrote:

DatrhMarko wrote:If Matt the almighty brings Girlyman back I'm gonna give up from warhammer 4life -also I' think Lion is in stasis but his own legion won't let him out beacuse they are better without him....
maybe if they bring Girlyman and Lionel we'll have a new civil war....

It’s "Roboute Guilliman" to you, punk"

OK...whatever, still he is boring as hell...

DatrhMarko wrote:

Redcruisair wrote:

DatrhMarko wrote:If Matt the almighty brings Girlyman back I'm gonna give up from warhammer 4life -also I' think Lion is in stasis but his own legion won't let him out beacuse they are better without him....
maybe if they bring Girlyman and Lionel we'll have a new civil war....

It’s "Roboute Guilliman" to you, punk"

OK...whatever, still he is boring as hell...

Is that so? Have you by any chance read the latest HH book with him in it? Said book describes him in a very interesting way, were one IMO hardly could describe him as being boring.

Redcruisair wrote:

DatrhMarko wrote:

Redcruisair wrote:

DatrhMarko wrote:If Matt the almighty brings Girlyman back I'm gonna give up from warhammer 4life -also I' think Lion is in stasis but his own legion won't let him out beacuse they are better without him....
maybe if they bring Girlyman and Lionel we'll have a new civil war....

It’s "Roboute Guilliman" to you, punk"

OK...whatever, still he is boring as hell...

Is that so? Have you by any chance read the latest HH book with him in it? Said book describes him in a very interesting way, were one IMO hardly could describe him as being boring.

Does "Know no fear" counts?
For me he is a perfect general,moral,disciplined everything good,but lack of duality in him is why he is boring (for me)...for Christ's sake even Sanguinius has the dark-side(at least they are inclining that he has)...

Redcruisair wrote:

It’s "Roboute Guilliman" to you, punk"

Nerd rage much?

You would need my Primarch ruleset, designed with the intention that if the Primarfhs returned, here's how I envision them.

general primarch statline

WS BS S T Wo I A Ld Sv
10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 2+/2+

Special Rules
2+ FNP
Regeneration
Rage
Fearless
Stubborn
Counter Charge
Furious Charge
Relentless
Independant Character
Jump Monstrous Creature
Eternal Warrior


hmmmm did I miss any... oh yea Vortex weapons only cause a single wound an push the primarch out of the blast radius.

point cost... priceless

Redcruisair wrote:

DatrhMarko wrote:If Matt the almighty brings Girlyman back I'm gonna give up from warhammer 4life -also I' think Lion is in stasis but his own legion won't let him out beacuse they are better without him....
maybe if they bring Girlyman and Lionel we'll have a new civil war....

It’s "Roboute Guilliman" to you, punk"

That is Roboute “I did not participate in the Horus Heresy and was stabbed in the neck by a snake body hermaphrodite wielding a rapier” Guilliman.

During the Eye of Terror campaign there were lots of hints of the return of the Wolf and the Lion but nothing came from it.

I honestly think if the primarchs came back they would form a counsel and attempt to continue the vision of their father but would be met with disdain if not outright war from the lords of terra who would be unwilling to give up there power. This in itself would have a chance of sparking a massive civvil war. You would probably see alot of arguing and disagreement between the primarchs on how to deal with this, leaving guilliman and sanguiness to quell the disputes seeing that they were the noblest of the primarchs. I honestly think it would be interesting.

It'd be pretty cool if one did come back. I don't really know is the most likely to come back though. Russ said he ain't coming back until the final war, Lion is chillin in the Rock, and Khan is chasing around those sneaky dark eldar. The others I don't really care about.

The fit Russ would have, the Galaxy has gone to the dogs.

The High Lords wouldn't do squat if the primarchs came back.

In the new BRB fluff timeline, one section details a piece where the them CM of Ultramarines, Agnathio, took 50.other CMs and strode into the High Lords council, who were trying to fill the 12 seats after the Traitor Assassin master killed them. Sobnow we have a bunch of politicians crying out for their position and on the brink of another civil war.

So Agnathio takes these blokes in, they're in for a couple hours I think. When they leave there.is stability and 12 guys happily on the seats.

Now imagine what 9 Primarchs could do, considering these guys can beat the schtick out of Custodes with ease, who the BRB states as being stronger than SM.

I disagree I don't thing the high lords of terra will willingly hand over their power and try to claim that the primarchs have been corrupted by chaos I think it would spark a nasty war and without the emperor to truly unite them the primarchs may not be able to show a truly united front and squable amongst each other on their council maybe even come to blows amongst each other it would be a mess a huge one.

I don't really think it would come to civil war, and even if it did, it would only leave the Primarchs and the marines, and whoever sided with them. The Imperial Guard would probably side with the marines due to battlefield ties and common sense, the Inquisition would sit out untill they had conclusive results of why they were all back. If they found reason the GK would be sent in if they hadn't already aligned with Primarchs.

Mars may go either way but probably with Primarchs as they have sense.

The SoB would side with the High Lords probably.

The Custodes would side against whoever threatened the Emperor. So know one really.


So alk it really does is kill the high lord. The Primarchs would take 9 of the 12 seats, with probably one of the GK Grand Masters as the GK representive when he can. Whoever ranked highest in the Inq the next, and probably the head of the Custodes.

I wish Guilliman came back. Maybe Dorn and Sanguinus, but definitely the ultramarine primarch. Hes the only one who doesnt have some kind of 'dark emo secret'. He just mans up and gets things done. I'm reading 'Know No Fear' and I just imagine Robuite as a larger, bluer version of Ron Swanson.

It lost me at "and the dead ones came back" well then they are Chaos touched, and need to die.
It's one thing to say Russ came back, or someone had a hand.relic and cloned another, and we got Lion back...but if we are bringing back the dead, then it got stupid.
In that case anyway, we have 20 of them, as no one said it was just the loyal ones....

Now a better story would be if 1 came back, or someone claiming to be one, and then we get to see the mess that cases as people try to prove it is or is not who he says he is.

Wait a minute, what if the CHAOS primarchs came back to Terra? What if Alpharius/Omegon (one of those fellas) actually did prove their loyalty to the Emprah and kicked Chaos butt?


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I mean, most of the Chaos primarchs are still alive, albeit as demons. Alpharius/Omegon isn't a demon methinks, found on the 40k wiki site. Also confirms that Lion is in status in the Rock.

RicBlasko wrote:
Now a better story would be if 1 came back, or someone claiming to be one, and then we get to see the mess that cases as people try to prove it is or is not who he says he is.

They'd just call that old SW dread...

Angron was deafeated at the cost of a whole Brotherhood of Grey Knights, and would be again considering the GK have gotten new tech since then (Stormravens and other variabts of Land Raider, and if Draigo were to show up it would be different). Magnus is a Daemon Prince, but his prowess relies on Psychic Powers, which the GK would just get as many Libbies from as many plces as possible, and send in the GK themselves to kill him. We already know that Draigo beat Mortarion (Grudge Match!) so that's sorted. Fulgrim.

Well, in The Primarchs, it is hinted that Lucius could beat him, and Kharn could match Lucius, and Skulltaker can beat Kharn. Crowe held his ground against Skulltaker. So Crowe has the possibility of possibly beating Fulgrim.


The only other Primarch who is a Daemon is Perturabo, who would present the biggest threat due to his unnaturally strong skin. But a bunch of Daemonhammers, and Dreadnoughts/Knights would handle it.

We all know Lorgar's a pansy.


Alpharius Omegon would actually be the killer. As Primarchs basically know one has a chance of beating him one-one without obscene luck. The GK would lose their advantages. Really it would be easy, just be Exterminatus if it were an expendable planet, or by massive firepower from hundreds of tanks and aircraft.

Deadshot wrote:Angron was deafeated at the cost of a whole Brotherhood of Grey Knights, and would be again considering the GK have gotten new tech since then (Stormravens and other variabts of Land Raider, and if Draigo were to show up it would be different). Magnus is a Daemon Prince, but his prowess relies on Psychic Powers, which the GK would just get as many Libbies from as many plces as possible, and send in the GK themselves to kill him. We already know that Draigo beat Mortarion (Grudge Match!) so that's sorted. Fulgrim.

Well, in The Primarchs, it is hinted that Lucius could beat him, and Kharn could match Lucius, and Skulltaker can beat Kharn. Crowe held his ground against Skulltaker. So Crowe has the possibility of possibly beating Fulgrim.


The only other Primarch who is a Daemon is Perturabo, who would present the biggest threat due to his unnaturally strong skin. But a bunch of Daemonhammers, and Dreadnoughts/Knights would handle it.

We all know Lorgar's a pansy.


Alpharius Omegon would actually be the killer. As Primarchs basically know one has a chance of beating him one-one without obscene luck. The GK would lose their advantages. Really it would be easy, just be Exterminatus if it were an expendable planet, or by massive firepower from hundreds of tanks and aircraft.

Yea but knowing the Alpharius, he was never really there in the first place

Are we forgeting that in the event that if the primarchs came back, are we counting the chaos primarch's also coming back ?
I personally believe, in the event of this, Horus would manage to bring Lion El'Johnson to chaos, Therefore making loyalists one man down. The Grey knights would probably be te first to be attacked by the chaos, and I'm guessing your all forgetting there only 1000 men now, and there is only one Dragio, and Although he beat Mortian once, and he probably could kill lucius, what about another 10 people almost equal to him, He would defenately fall in the event the Primarchs, Abbadon, Lucius, Kharn, Ahimran and Typhus all managed to sort there diffrences and HH v.2 came upon the Imperium.
Was it not Behemoth (Supposedly the weakest of all 3 tyranid hivefleets) that fought there way through the population of Macragge ? What about legions of chaos tainted marines, each lead by a primarch, so gulliman isn;t a threat if the chaos legions got there.
Magnus would probably be one of the first to fall during the new Hereasy, as he would probably instantly attack Russ if he arrived, and I'm guessing ol' Wolfy wins.
Ahimran and Magnus 'could' settle there differences, and there combined power might even bring forth the leviathan upon Terra, which with the legions of chaos and a massive beast on there hands, I'm guessing Terra would take a lot to defend.
Even though I'm saying this, Im a bit of a chaos fanboy, feel free to correct me on anything.
But If Lion El did turn to chaos, the runous powers would have complete control of space due to the rock proabably being altered by deamonsmiths and possesed by some ugly deamon of sorts, would mean a nasty deamon engine.

In the event the Horus came back, that means so to would Sanguinius, meaning the BA would be cured of the RT and BR.

If Russ came back (and Bjorn confirmed) Magnus would be gakking his pants.

Manus would have several grudges. Fulgrim, and Perturabo would be prime targets (I want my hammer back, to killnthe ferher who cut my head off)




Now, if we talking ALL the Primarchs come back, that would mean the Emperor too, as he is the GK equivilent of a Primarch. I don't think he would make the same mistake twice and try to bring.Horus back to the good side. He would crush him there and then, with all his might. And none of the other Primarchs could take him.

We would also have the 2 missing primarchs coming back, so we get to see what happened to them, who they are, and why the emperor excommunicated them.

-cgmckenzie

If they progress the timeline (and they won't), I'd like to see a bleeding, stumps for arms, Dorn stumble out of the warp. The AdMech are who find him, and they work with him to build some sweet power fists. He begins the impossible task of restoring/restructuring the IoM as the 'nids, crons, and Abby move in on the disorder created by a Primarch trying to undo 10,000 years of beuracracy, corruption, stagnation, and denial.

Deadshot wrote:
Well, in The Primarchs, it is hinted that Lucius could beat him, and Kharn could match Lucius, and Skulltaker can beat Kharn. Crowe held his ground against Skulltaker. So Crowe has the possibility of possibly beating Fulgrim.

Fight logic doesnt work that way. What let crowe beat skulltaker might be totally useless against fulgrim.