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I am creating/dedicating this thread to real American cuisine. Many foreigners and Americans alike think that all American food is just crap, and not something worth trying. To them I say there are many other cultural food of this nation that are tasty and more complex than many cared to try. I will try to regularly update this thread with quality American dish and recipes for those that are willing to try them.
A good show that I would recommend to watch is "Good Eats". The show is currently off the air, but you can find all of the episodes on youtube. His stuff is great, and I recommend it.
It's "nip it in the BUD". It's a pruning reference.
Nothing whatsoever to do with butts.
And while I'm on it, what the hell is "cusinie"?
If you mean "cuisine" then you're quite right. America doesn't have what could be considered one. The country isn't old enough yet and is still living on borrowed ones (from their forebears - the English, the Dutch, Germans, Swedes, etc) modified by local ingredients.
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chromedog wrote:It's "nip it in the BUD". It's a pruning reference.
Nothing whatsoever to do with butts.
And while I'm on it, what the hell is "cusinie"?
If you mean "cuisine" then you're quite right. America doesn't have what could be considered one. The country isn't old enough yet and is still living on borrowed ones (from their forebears - the English, the Dutch, Germans, Swedes, etc) modified by local ingredients.
Actually it does. Like how the US has adapted many dish from foreign countries truing it into its own.A lot of Pennsylvania Dutch/Cajun food is like that. Also many a Europe dish originates from eastern countries.
Also yes, I just realized the typo.
Around here people say "nip it in the butt." (As a reference to stopping something before it can bite you in the ass in the long run)
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It's "bud". It really does originate from pruning. To nip a flower in the bud is to cut off the actual bud before it can grow.
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I agree with you about cuisine, though. It doesn't take millennia to develop one. Louisiana cajun and Southwestern Tex-mex are justly famed. California has some great stuff. New England has our seafood specialties, etc.
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Makarov wrote:I am creating/dedicating this thread to real American cuisine. Many foreigners and Americans alike think that all American food is just crap, and not something worth trying. To them I say there are many other cultural food of this nation that are tasty and more complex than many cared to try. I will try to regularly update this thread with quality American dish and recipes for those that are willing to try them.
Man, that's a great initiative!
I didn't know much about American cuisine before my wife offered me a small cookbook of simple american recipes, and indeed it's an interesting cuisine. Cooking being my second hobby (after wargaming) I love to learn new recipes!
The main problem when you're wishing to try a foreign recipe is to find the right ingredients, which can be quite frustrating (ah, real Thai green curry, one fine day I'll make you...one fine day...)
I'll keep an hungry eye on this thread!
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Having spent years living in Europe I would say that I generally prefer american foods. We dominate in barbecue, pizza, and totally sweep the biscuits and gravy field.
I do tip my hat to the germans for their command of sausage, and pork in general.
Overall, I would say I only miss doners, tapas, and schnitzel.
chromedog wrote:If you mean "cuisine" then you're quite right. America doesn't have what could be considered one.
Ah, foreign arrogance and ignorance, you always do amuse me.
Yes, America DOES have its own cuisine.
Quite a few styles of cuisine in fact... The United States of America is pretty large and diverse. This reminds me of the guys who think that all Italian cuisine is alike....
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Melissia wrote:Ah, foreign arrogance and ignorance, you always do amuse me... This reminds me of the guys who think that all Italian cuisine is alike....
This reminds me of an American friend of mine who insisted that they didn't need to go to China to experience, well, China, because they could just go to China Town
Ignorance doesn't have to be foreign to be ignorance... or indeed amusing.
Yes, America DOES have its own cuisine.
Quite a few styles of cuisine in fact... The United States of America is pretty large and diverse.
I have to admit to being a bit of a fan of Man vs Food recently and have been reasonably impressed with some of the foods etc he goes round and tries (I've even had a go at cooking a couple of them and they were pretty nice ). Maybe it is the kind of show it is though, but so much of the food seems like it is pretty much the same wherever he goes...
No, but it is easy for many people to bash the US because they don't know anything about the US outside of what they've seen on Fox.
I don't deny that there's equally ignorant people in the US. But I ask to that assertion, in terms of this discusison: I care, why, again?
SilverMK2 wrote:I have to admit to being a bit of a fan of Man vs Food recently and have been reasonably impressed with some of the foods etc he goes round and tries (I've even had a go at cooking a couple of them and they were pretty nice ). Maybe it is the kind of show it is though, but so much of the food seems like it is pretty much the same wherever he goes...
That's not a cooking show, that's a disgusting spectacle.
I recommend you look up actual foodie / cooking shows (for reference, a foodie is someone who goes around trying to enjoy a wide variety of food, which is different from cooking shows, where they take recipes and show you how to make them, although the two can be and are combined in numerous occasions)-- there's plenty of them.
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Makarov wrote:I am creating/dedicating this thread to real American cuisine. Many foreigners and Americans alike think that all American food is just crap, and not something worth trying.
Hey, did you confuse Americans with British?
Its us who have the reputation for gak food, not you guys!
gak, check this gal out..
You cant get an ass that fat if you aint got an endless supply of tasty food to chow down on!
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Melissia wrote:That's not a cooking show, that's a disgusting spectacle.
Don't get me wrong, I know exactly what it is and what it is not
I recommend you look up actual foodie / cooking shows (for reference, a foodie is someone who goes around trying to enjoy a wide variety of food, which is different from cooking shows, where they take recipes and show you how to make them, although the two can be and are combined in numerous occasions)-- there's plenty of them.
I know what a foodie is - the thing is that we don't get (as far as I am aware) American foodie programs here. We may do on the cookery channel, but I don't have that one
Has some episodes and recipes on the site in fact, although they do have a tendency to prefer meat based meals it seems.
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We get all the American stuff in my house cos our lass watches them all day! The food network I think it is mainly, but she's always watching Bobby Flay and Iron Chef and..that proper annoying bird, Rachel Ray I think?
Oh and that other good looking bird whose name I cant remember. Skinny, dark hair.. nice eyes.
Oh and that big fat ginger Italian bloke who was drinking wine with Gwyneth Paltrow?
Forgive me, I don't watch any of it, I just notice this gak in the background while I'm painting.
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Has some episodes and recipes on the site in fact, although they do have a tendency to prefer meat based meals it seems.
Can't watch the videos (seem to be blocked) and the recipes are blurred for the non-registered... however, the pictures and descriptions are looking interesting.
Melissia, you seem to be willing to defend the notion of American Cuisine, so I'd like to ask you a question.
What are, for you, the four most emblematic dishes which come to your mind when you think of American Cuisine?
Part of the problem is that the USA is so big you might as well say "what is European cuisine"?
We do have some foods and cuisine that is very American, and some that are a distinct American twist on other cultures quisine.
BBQ comes to mind as one distinctly American dish, and even that can be regional. Go to Texas, North Carolina, Memphis, and Kansas City and you will find four distinct versions of a very American dish. Ribs, brisket, pulled pork, all a part of a very American cuisine.
Tex-Mex is also something very distinct. While we might call it "Mexican food" it is as foreign to Mexico as it is to America, a style home brewed in the Southwest.
Good old Green Bean Caserole, as much an American dish as well as a testament to commercialism and advertisement as well as american cuisine.
Chicken Fried Steak, borrowed from Germans but made into a very southern American food.
Biscuits and Gravy is something else I think is American.
Has some episodes and recipes on the site in fact, although they do have a tendency to prefer meat based meals it seems.
Can't watch the videos (seem to be blocked) and the recipes are blurred for the non-registered... however, the pictures and descriptions are looking interesting.
Melissia, you seem to be willing to defend the notion of American Cuisine, so I'd like to ask you a question. What are, for you, the four most emblematic dishes which come to your mind when you think of American Cuisine?
What KIND of American Cuisine?
We talking texmex, southwestern, northeastern, southern, midwestern, specific state cuisines....?
Hell even just talking about BBQ in texas, there's at least four different Texas styles of BBQ. Central Texas BBQ focuses on quality beef over everything else (with everything else supporting the meat), cooking it as well as possible and not overdoing the spices-- sometimes bbq sauce isn't available at all, and if it is, it's on a side dish. The meat itself is sliced meat as opposed to diced or chopped. Meanwhile, East Texas BBQ tends to be chopped, and includes equal part pork in its servings, and the sauce is a sweeter sauce than usual, and often uses hickory wood for smoking. West Texas BBQ uses direct heat cooking, and uses mesquite wood as the smoking, and South Texas BBQ is heavily influenced by Mexican tasted-- fajitas, barbacoa (cowshead) and lengua tacos (beef tongue), etc.
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mattyrm wrote:Its us who have the reputation for gak food, not you guys!
It shouldn't be. The most popular beef in the US is Angus, the most popular cheese is cheddar. Americans shouldn't hate on British food when they eat it so much.
I'm really having trouble of thinking of something as quintessentially American other than fast food (which I'm going to be fair and say doesn't count). Your cuisine seems to be a mish mash of other cultures, there is nothing wrong with that and really it goes with the territory.
mattyrm wrote:Its us who have the reputation for gak food, not you guys!
It shouldn't be. The most popular beef in the US is Angus, the most popular cheese is cheddar.
American grown Angus is a far cry from British beef, and certainly if you call "American Cheese" Cheddar again I will slap you. Most people haven't actually eaten real Cheddar cheese.
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Fried green tomatoes and grits are the only two 100% American things I've eaten (not at the same time!) that are unavailable outside the US. Cheese + grits are pretty good and superior to porridge. Fried green tomatoes I can live without.
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I' mnot meaning to be hostile, it was a joke about the pasteurized process "cheese" that most Americans think of when they think of "cheddar". Similar to the "swiss" cheese... which sometimes has artificial holes pumped in to it to give it that appearance of the real thing.
Or, say, Velveeta. Which was so far removed from cheese, the American government told them that they couldn't call it cheese anymore-- the US government, which normally couldn't give a damn about this sort of thing, told them "yeah, guys, this isn't even 50% cheese, you have to call it something else."
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BBQ is definitely our claim to fame. I think that Southern cooking tends to be more iconic American food because you didn't have the immigrant clusters like the north, where family groups could perpetuate their own cuisines and cultures.
Creole would be another distinctly American cuisine, involving tons of spice, finicky sauces, and the meat selection of 'whatever you can catch in a swamp'.
Cornbread, in all its iterations, is also something that I think of as distinctly American.
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Other countries may have invented BBQ, but the US made ig great.
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I fething love velveeta, my missus thinks Im an animal because she is a food snob and eats organics and such, but I just love horrible gak.
You know, like fake cheese you get in ghetto pizza joints that are all you can eat? My favourite... you know the stuff, its only 40% cheese and made of liquid so you can just pour it over everything?
And I love cheap gakky ice cream and cheap ass Chinese food thats full of MSG.
Basically, if it knocks years off your life I love it. Frankly I'm stunned I weigh an even 180.
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mattyrm wrote:Its us who have the reputation for gak food, not you guys!
It shouldn't be. The most popular beef in the US is Angus, the most popular cheese is cheddar.
American grown Angus is a far cry from British beef, and certainly if you call "American Cheese" Cheddar again I will slap you. Most people haven't actually eaten real Cheddar cheese.
I believe Angus cattle is still from the same pure breed and if anything it is worse than the UK strain in America as American farming is generally intensive and cattle are fed on much less green omega 3 food (American beef is still banned in the UK because of this). And when I read that the most popular cheese in America was cheddar I wasn't thinking it was the horrible processed stuff, if that's the most popular cheese over there then I certainly can't see how any American can criticise British food.
What most people don't understand about British recipes is that they rely heavily on good produce. If your making a Sunday roast with poor meat then yes, it will taste bad. On the flip side the cuisines of countries which have recipes with a lot of spices (Italy, India, Mexico etc.) have evolved that way because they used spices to cover up the taste of poor meat. The idea that British food is bad is a myth.
). Maybe it is the kind of show it is though, but so much of the food seems like it is pretty much the same wherever he goes...
however, the pictures and descriptions are looking interesting.