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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 00:36:18
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Fixture of Dakka
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I can't find anything to indicate it would become part of your unit, so is it really just 2 shots and it's gone?
Seems like an awfully steep price to pay for something that's gone on the first turn.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 00:39:57
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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T7 and a 3+ armor save, and possibly a cover save. Not all that tough to kill, but is mostly immune to small arms fire. I have used the Icarus Lascannon in all of my 6th ed games, it has not been destroyed yet.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/07/25 00:41:33
"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 02:30:19
Subject: Re:Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Fixture of Dakka
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How often has someone tried though?
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 03:28:19
Subject: Re:Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Behind an Aegis defence line it should have a 4++ save as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 03:52:02
Subject: Re:Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
Onuris Coreworld
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Yeah, I had to hit one with 4 Doomsday Ark blasts (thats Str 9 AP 1) over 2 turns to take one out. My opponents army hadn't arrived from reserve yet so there was nothing else to shoot at. They are fairly survivable.
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"Most mortals will die from this procedure...and so will you!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 03:56:28
Subject: Re:Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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DarknessEternal wrote:How often has someone tried though?
5 different games so far. The tyranid player tried killing it with both of his hive guard squads, I saved all of the wounds, he went on to shoot other stuff with his hive guard the rest of the game seeing how much fire he would have had to pour into it to actually kill it.. The SW player tried one volley with 2 Long Fangs, The cover save saved the wounds, his other Long Fangs wounded once and caused a wound, but left it alone to shoot other more squishy targets that didn't have a 4+ cover save. The other three games had similar situations.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/07/25 03:57:03
"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 13:44:52
Subject: Re:Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Ah, so the answer was no one.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 13:55:58
Subject: Re:Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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DarknessEternal wrote:Ah, so the answer was no one.
Don't buy one then, the vendettas will thank you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 14:00:43
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster
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DarknessEternal wrote:I can't find anything to indicate it would become part of your unit, so is it really just 2 shots and it's gone?
Seems like an awfully steep price to pay for something that's gone on the first turn.
So, if its being manned by a squad, you can choose whether to fire at the gun or the squad?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 14:16:07
Subject: Re:Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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DarknessEternal wrote:Ah, so the answer was no one.
They tried, they just gave up because they had better things to shoot at. One lascannon was not hurting them all that badly, and none of them had flyers. Green is Best! wrote:So, if its being manned by a squad, you can choose whether to fire at the gun or the squad?
Yes, you have to choose your target as normal.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/07/25 14:16:51
"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 14:45:37
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
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Hmm..
I wonder which is more survivable. An Icarus LC or a Razorback? Time for some math...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 15:30:39
Subject: Re:Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Depends whats shooting at it. The Razorback is infinitly more survivable against Bolter fire.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 15:35:13
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Missionary On A Mission
Richmond Va
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Im just imagining a gun emplacement being overwhelmed by a bunch of poison guants and eaten alive cc. "Look guys! we can poison a gun!!!"
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My Overprotective Father wrote:Tyrants shooting emplaced weapons? A Hive Tyrant may be smarter than your average bug, but that still isint saying much
Pretre: Are repressors assault vehicles? If they are, I'm gonna need emergency pants.
n0t_u: No, but six can shoot out of it. Other than that it's a Rhino with a Heavy Flamer thrown on if I remember correctly.
Pretre: Thanks! I guess my pants are safe and clean after all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 15:38:01
Subject: Re:Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Not all poisons are actual poisons. Poison in the game also represents corrosive acid(although it still does nothing to vehicles)
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 15:41:48
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I have destroyed both autocannons in both games with dark lance and poison shots before my flyers arrived. One died to 4 shots other died to 3 shots my opponent just didn't roll great and mine was good. The Las cannon to me isn't worth shooting at as much as the auto cannon
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 15:51:48
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Tough Tyrant Guard
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Vindicare-Obsession wrote:Im just imagining a gun emplacement being overwhelmed by a bunch of poison guants and eaten alive cc. "Look guys! we can poison a gun!!!"
Why on earth would we do that? Kill the unit firing it and then man the guns! Termigaunts love dakka too.
And yes this is legal to do.
Further note: If you leave a gun emplacement without someone within 1" of it I will deploy Deathleaper and shoot it with him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 15:54:16
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Grey Knight Purgator firing around corners
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Gloomfang wrote:Vindicare-Obsession wrote:Im just imagining a gun emplacement being overwhelmed by a bunch of poison guants and eaten alive cc. "Look guys! we can poison a gun!!!"
Why on earth would we do that? Kill the unit firing it and then man the guns! Termigaunts love dakka too.
And yes this is legal to do.
Further note: If you leave a gun emplacement without someone within 1" of it I will deploy Deathleaper and shoot it with him.
Nothing funner than taking an opponents own gun against him
I try to kill their gun as fast as possible, every game, especially ig my Jokaero get 60" lascannons on their chart roll.
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0000 - Rest Period - BUT YOU BETTER NOT SPEND FOUR WHOLE HOURS SLEEPING. IF YOU DO YOU ARE NOT ANGRY ENOUGH AND TOMORROW YOU GET THE FIRST CHANCE TO PLAY PIN THE TAU ON THE CARNIFEX. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 15:55:27
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster
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Hmmmm. Snikrot might actually have a use now after all.......
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 16:04:16
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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I destroy gun enplacements like I kill ants, easily and without mercy. Two ironclads drop podding in first turn tends to do wonders, and if that doesn't work/isn't needed, then my 2 sniper units or thunderfire cannons can put a stop to it.
Heavy flamers are very funny as I blow away the guys on the gun. Same with the small blasts my cannons toss. Then my three storm talons just wander in and mop up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 16:07:28
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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That's a lot of firepower for one gun emplacement.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 16:08:26
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Missionary On A Mission
Richmond Va
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juraigamer wrote:I destroy gun enplacements like I kill ants, easily and without mercy. Two ironclads drop podding in first turn tends to do wonders.
From what I've seen, not only does that not work, It usually backfires horriably. Intercept to blow up drop pod, s10 hits on the dread, then intercept on the dread if it still lives.
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My Overprotective Father wrote:Tyrants shooting emplaced weapons? A Hive Tyrant may be smarter than your average bug, but that still isint saying much
Pretre: Are repressors assault vehicles? If they are, I'm gonna need emergency pants.
n0t_u: No, but six can shoot out of it. Other than that it's a Rhino with a Heavy Flamer thrown on if I remember correctly.
Pretre: Thanks! I guess my pants are safe and clean after all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 16:12:44
Subject: Re:Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Pods don't blow up with Str10. Only Flyers do that.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 16:31:13
Subject: Re:Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Tough Tyrant Guard
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Grey Templar wrote:Pods don't blow up with Str10. Only Flyers do that.
And you can only shoot a unit with Intercepter after they have already deepstruck. You can target the drop pod or the dread at that point, but the dread in no longer embarked.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 17:01:19
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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Yes as mentioned, my dreads arrive safely every time, just in time to hear the crying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 17:03:54
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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And Ironclad is AV13, so rough to knock it out with just glances from one interceptor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 17:20:35
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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Needing 6's, don't forget that. The funny skyfire rule working to may advantage, who knew!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 17:30:13
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Missionary On A Mission
Richmond Va
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Actually since they have interceptor its normal bs for ground targets.
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My Overprotective Father wrote:Tyrants shooting emplaced weapons? A Hive Tyrant may be smarter than your average bug, but that still isint saying much
Pretre: Are repressors assault vehicles? If they are, I'm gonna need emergency pants.
n0t_u: No, but six can shoot out of it. Other than that it's a Rhino with a Heavy Flamer thrown on if I remember correctly.
Pretre: Thanks! I guess my pants are safe and clean after all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 17:37:40
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Excited Doom Diver
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Aegis line emplaced guns die easily to two dual twin-lnked autocannon, psybolt dreadnoughts. Granted it does need both to shoot, but if they do destruction is very nearly guaranteed, T7, cover save and all. But given that emplaced guns are one of thenfew things that have Interceptor, i think if running a list that has flyers, it's worth disposing of them.
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Follow these two simple rules to ensure a happy Dakka experience:
Rule 1 - to be a proper 40K player you must cry whenever a new edition of the game is released, and always call opposing armies broken when you don't win.
Rule 2 - Games Workshop are always wrong and have been heading for bankrupcy within 5 years since the early 90s. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 17:42:45
Subject: Are gun emplacements really this easy to kill?
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Cosmic Joe
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Who cares about cover it gets it's 3+ armor vs the psyflemans.
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Nosebiter wrote:Codex Space Marine is renamed as Codex Counts As Because I Dont Like To Loose And Gw Hates My Army. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/25 17:46:42
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Missionary On A Mission
Richmond Va
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Or a few collosus shells
Dont even have to be directed at the gun, just the unit in the defense line. Ooooh things just got nasty.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/07/25 17:47:16
My Overprotective Father wrote:Tyrants shooting emplaced weapons? A Hive Tyrant may be smarter than your average bug, but that still isint saying much
Pretre: Are repressors assault vehicles? If they are, I'm gonna need emergency pants.
n0t_u: No, but six can shoot out of it. Other than that it's a Rhino with a Heavy Flamer thrown on if I remember correctly.
Pretre: Thanks! I guess my pants are safe and clean after all.
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