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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 06:20:09
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/27/catholic-business-owners-seek-injunction-against-obama-health-care-mandate/
The Catholic family that owns a Colorado-based company won a court victory in their battle to stop the Obama administration from requiring them to provide insurance coverage for abortion-inducing drugs, sterilization and contraception, a mandate they say violates their religious beliefs and First Amendment rights.
Hercules Industries, a Denver-based heating ventilation and air conditioning manufacturer that employs nearly 300 full-time workers, got an injunction in federal court which stops enforcement of the controversial ObamaCare mandate. The company's lawyers said they needed the injunction immediately because if the mandate is enforced, it must begin immediately making changes to its health plan, which renews on Nov. 1.
The case is similar to ones brought by Catholic-based colleges that have refused to provide employee insurance with such coverage, except this time, it is a secular corporation.
In his order, Colorado District Judge John Kane said that the government’s arguments “are countered, and indeed outweighed, by the public interest in the free exercise of religion."
The case still must be aired out in court, but lawyers representing Hercules savored the temporary victory.
“Every American, including family business owners, should be free to live and do business according to their faith. For the time being, Hercules Industries will be able to do just that,” said Matt Bowman, legal counsel for Alliance Defending Freedom, the Arizona-based organization representing the Newlands. “The bottom line is that Congress and the Constitution explicitly protect all religious freedom. They don’t exclude family businesses.”
House Speaker John Boehner heralded the court's ruling.
"I join millions of my fellow Americans in welcoming this ruling, which is a major victory in the effort to restore the religious liberty that has been demolished by the Obama administration's actions this year," Boehner said.
The Obama administration had argued in a 76-page response that the Newlands’ challenge “rests largely on the theory” that a for-profit, secular corporation can claim to exercise a religion and avoid laws regulating commercial activity.
“The question is whether the government is going to tell people they have to abandon their faith in order to run a family business.”
- Matt Bowman, legal counsel for Alliance Defending Freedom
“This cannot be,” the motion reads, citing the 1982 case of United States v. Lee, in which the court held that self-employed Amish workers could be exempt from Social Security taxes, but did not extend the exemption to Amish employers. “Indeed, the Supreme Court has recognized that, ‘[w]hen followers of a particular sect enter into commercial activity as a matter of choice, the limits they accept on their own conduct as a matter of conscience and faith are not to be superimposed on the statutory schemes which are binding on others in that activity.”
The 35-page complaint, Newland v. Sebelius, was filed in April in the U.S. District Court for the District of Colorado and U.S. District Judge John Kane is expected to issue an opinion Friday denying or granting the injunction. Defendants named in the lawsuit include Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, Department of Labor Secretary Hilda Solis and Department of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.
The Newlands argue that the mandate forces them to “violate their deeply held religious beliefs” and unconstitutionally coerces them to violate those Catholic beliefs under threat of fines and penalties, according to court documents.
“The mandate also forces the plaintiffs to fund government-dictated speech that is directly at odds with the religious ethics derived from their deeply held religious beliefs and the moral teachings of the Catholic Church that they strive to embody in their business,” the complaint reads.
Department of Justice spokesman Charles Miller could not be reached for comment early Friday.
In a brief responding to the Justice Department’s filing, Alliance Defending Freedom attorneys disputed that claim that the First Amendment does not apply to corporations.
“Nothing in the Constitution, the Supreme Court’s decisions, or federal law requires — or even suggests — that families forfeit their religious liberty protection when they try to earn a living, such as by operating a corporate business,” the document reads. The idea that “a corporation has no constitutional right to free exercise of religion” is ‘unsupported,’ the brief stated.
Bowman said the federal government isn’t allowed to tell family businesses that they are “second-class citizens” regarding religious freedom.
“The point is the government should not make believers choose between their faith and earning a living,” Bowman told FoxNews.com. “We’re hopeful in that we do believe America was founded on religious freedom and that religious freedom will ultimately prevail.”
Since the Supreme Court has upheld the constitutionality of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), an entity that refuses to provide health insurance to employees faces monetary penalties that for Hercules could total in the millions of dollars.Those penalties are approximately $100 per day per employee — no small total for a family-owned and operated business, Bowman said.
“That is not something that any business in this economy could shake their head at, if not completely ruin it,” he said. “I don’t think any business could withstand the coercion the government is imposing on them in practicing their faith.”
Christen Varley, executive director of Conscience Cause, which has watched the case closely, praised the judge's decision.
"Today's decision in Newland vs. Sebelius is a tremendous victory for religious freedom," Varley said. "The radical HHS mandate is an attack on the conscience rights of religious institutions, businesses and organizations who will be forced to pay for services that violate their faith. Today, this Judge sent a message that the first phase of this attack on religious liberty - which targeted family businesses like Hercules Industries -will not stand."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 06:54:18
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Fixture of Dakka
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I guess this busineess didn't get the Obama memo that it's thanks to the government, they've been helped to succeed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 06:56:57
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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So what about the "religious freedom" of the people this company employs?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 07:23:40
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Zealous Sin-Eater
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SilverMK2 wrote:So what about the "religious freedom" of the people this company employs?
They can suck it, because apparently that would hurt the corporation's faith.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 07:27:59
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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I fail to see how this is a 'win'?
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 07:29:27
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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Palindrome wrote:I fail to see how this is a 'win'?
I think that would be because Fox News agrees with it, so even though nothing has actually happened they are making it out to be a gigantic blow against some things Fox News doesn't agree with.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 08:19:20
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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My taxes pay for chaplains in the army that might me Jewish. Since I am a Christian taxes violate my freedom of religion, so I should not have to pay them.
Or something like that...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 08:59:08
Subject: Re:Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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This is just posturing. The injunction will be shot down very quickly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 09:18:26
Subject: Re:Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Good to see that they are twisiting it to suit their own needs. From what I can see the First Amendment allows them to have the freedom to believe in what they want and the Federal Government can't make rules to imped with that. Am I right in that understanding? For commerce to run smoothly you need a set of basic rules that apply across the board, otherwise you end up having this sort of mess.
What next JWs getting a ban because Obamacare supports procedures that involve blood transfusions? What about Muslims & Jew's? Surely some of these procedures may happen on religious days? The hospital room maybe facing the wrong way or the food not prepared the right way?
Just a reminder to these idiots:
Hypocratic Oath
I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.
I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.
I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.
I will not be ashamed to say "I know not", nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.
I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given to me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.
I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.
I will remember that I remain a member of society with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, be respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.
Which basically means it's above race or religion. If you don't like it we will respect your wishes, however you can't deny it to others.
Just another political stick to beat Obama with.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 09:20:44
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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There is no victory here. Just a greedy donkey-cave trying to score political points while saving a few bucks.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 10:30:07
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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This is another example of a religious group claiming a special exemption from a law they don't like because of other reasons.
No-one has suggested that Quakers should avoid taxation because they are pacifists and the government runs the armed forces.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 13:35:13
Subject: Re:Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Fixture of Dakka
On a boat, Trying not to die.
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"I don't like government Healthcare, and none of my 300 employees should either! Not one. No sir. I speak for them all. I'm like the Lorax of Heating/ AC employees."
This guy is an idiot. However, it still is a refreshing kind of idiot.
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Every Normal Man Must Be Tempted At Times To Spit On His Hands, Hoist That Black Flag, And Begin Slitting Throats. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 13:47:27
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Big Fat Gospel of Menoth
The other side of the internet
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Relapse wrote:I guess this busineess didn't get the Obama memo that it's thanks to the government, they've been helped to succeed.
If you watch the whole clip, you would understand what he said. He said that nobody does it by themselves, they have teacher, friends, family and an infrastructure which makes it possible.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 13:51:17
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Relapse wrote:I guess this busineess didn't get the Obama memo that it's thanks to the government, they've been helped to succeed.
It's true. First he founded the state of Colorado, then the city of Denver, created all the roads, invented both heating and AC technology, set up schools, built housing and apartments, laid all the phone lines, set up a foundry, created both the automobile and semi-trucks, and well, so many more things that one can not begin to list all of his accomplishments. He even invented the book, and as well as being both the first teacher and the first student, at the same time. Truly a self made man.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 13:58:50
Subject: Re:Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Huge Hierodule
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
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Bloody idiots. Who the hell do they think they are? Personally I think religion should not be allowed to play a part in company policies, regulations or business practices.
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Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
buddha wrote:I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 13:59:22
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Anointed Dark Priest of Chaos
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Surtur wrote:Relapse wrote:I guess this busineess didn't get the Obama memo that it's thanks to the government, they've been helped to succeed.
If you watch the whole clip, you would understand what he said. He said that nobody does it by themselves, they have teacher, friends, family and an infrastructure which makes it possible.
I don't have time for that, I have "socialist muslim illegals" to locate...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 14:17:38
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Surtur wrote:Relapse wrote:I guess this busineess didn't get the Obama memo that it's thanks to the government, they've been helped to succeed. If you watch the whole clip, you would understand what he said. He said that nobody does it by themselves, they have teacher, friends, family and an infrastructure which makes it possible.
Yes, well, asking the right-winger talking heads for sanity and intelligence in comprehending what Obama says is like asking the world to stop spinning. Hell they're somehow behaving even worse than the talking heads that constantly hounded the Bush administration. And those douchebags actually made me feel sorry for and support Bush Jr.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 15:11:24
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Screaming Banshee
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Woah, woah, woah... woah...
Catholics can own businesses?
Looks like I'm drastically behind with regards to Papal policies on ursury...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 15:14:48
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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Just so long as they pays their 10% tithe to el-popo I think they can do whatever they want... apart from provide insurance that covers birth control and abortion... obviously...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 15:19:52
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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SilverMK2 wrote:So what about the "religious freedom" of the people this company employs?
I'm religiously opposed to usury, and should be exempt from interest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 15:24:34
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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I'm religiously opposed to taxation, because all money belongs to god, and I am god's banker, so I shouldn't have to give my money to anyone else.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 15:52:29
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Screaming Banshee
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Does money belong to God? That's interesting... didn't know that...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 15:54:54
Subject: Re:Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Huge Hierodule
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
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Sarcasm, darling...Sarcasm.
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Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
buddha wrote:I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 15:57:44
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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Henners91 wrote:Does money belong to God? That's interesting... didn't know that...
Speaking as God, yes, yes it does. And I would appreciate it if you could return it all to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 16:04:54
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Henners91 wrote:Does money belong to God? That's interesting... didn't know that...
"In God we trust"
Indicating "we trust our money to God". It's on every US dollar.
I'm joking, by the way.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 16:06:26
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Screaming Banshee
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I see. I think I'm too stupid to figure out if I'm gullible or just lacking in brain cells. Or maybe it's social difficulties... it'd explain why I'm in a cupboard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 16:09:02
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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More likely it's the internet making it hard to tell.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 17:28:58
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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Im thinking, Animal Sacrifice is part of ALOT of religions, But we dont allow that, as is virgin sacrifice but we dont alllow that
I have to wonder, if this guy wasnt christian, would he have won?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 19:28:00
Subject: Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Fixture of Dakka
On a boat, Trying not to die.
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I don't know, HS1, I've sacrificed a lot of virgins.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 19:52:22
Subject: Re:Catholic business owners score win against ObamaCare mandate
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Huge Hierodule
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
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No...Just no.
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Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
buddha wrote:I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition! |
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