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I know this can go off into can you have emotion with conciousness. There is only one fill of the swarm but could emotion like hunger and so on create a new god whenever Tyranid numbers in the galaxy increase?

Wouldn't that fall under Papa Nurgle?

Hunger isn't an emotion, it's a biological sensation.

Whilst I suppose it's possible that 'a passion for disembowling' constitutes an emotion, it's probably safest to assume that individual tyranids are either insufficiently close to sapience or simply too alien to empower the chaos gods.

Tyranids have only one true sentient mind for all of them: the Hive Mind. So I don't think they'll create a Chaos God.

Psienesis wrote:Hunger isn't an emotion, it's a biological sensation.

IDK, do you suddenly crave cake after the mention of it?


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DOOMBREAD wrote:Tyranids have only one true sentient mind for all of them: the Hive Mind. So I don't think they'll create a Chaos God.

Not true, the Hive Mind isn't an actual being but, a word to refer to their collective conciousness.

broodstar wrote:

DOOMBREAD wrote:Tyranids have only one true sentient mind for all of them: the Hive Mind. So I don't think they'll create a Chaos God.

Not true, the Hive Mind isn't an actual being but, a word to refer to their collective conciousness.

Fido198674 wrote:Wouldn't that fall under Papa Nurgle?

Actually the overwhelming need to hunt and constantly mutate and evolve would all fall into survival, and survival fits squarely in with Papa Nurgle.

So I guess, as Tyranid numbers increase and the Hive Mind grows stronger, so will Nurgle.

The Hive Mind negates the warp.

Chaos god prefer those who have emotions. You don't see cat's in the Imperium worshiping Slaanesh or slugs in gardens worshiping Nurgle.

Tyranids are basically animals in a herd or a school of fish or a HIVE of bees.

But...

GW has made daemonically possessed Tyranids so I can't draw a clear conclussion.

DeffDred wrote:The Hive Mind negates the warp.

Chaos god prefer those who have emotions. You don't see cat's in the Imperium worshiping Slaanesh or slugs in gardens worshiping Nurgle.

Tyranids are basically animals in a herd or a school of fish or a HIVE of bees.

But...

GW has made daemonically possessed Tyranids so I can't draw a clear conclussion.

The Shadow in the Warp isn't actually the Tyranids cutting off the warp. No it's still there, the Hive Mind is just creating a lot of static and feedback.

First off, Tyranids are much more than animals. Tyranids can control a battle, the Swarmlord did push the Ultramarines to brink.

But counter your arguement, that's like saying your dog doesn't know love or fear, etc... Even insects feel emotion, break open a Bee Hive one day, and feel the hate.

Appetite is the emotion that drives us to eat when we are not biologically hungry.

I'd say, that if anything, the emotion of hunger (appetite) taken to it's extreme -gluttony- is best described as desire, or ambition, or both, because neither is truly satiable. Therefore, Slaanesh and Tzeentch benefit most from the thirst of the Hive Mind to consume.

Also, there is little documented evidence that most insects IRL feel emotions, they defend colonies and hives because they are biologically designed to through pheromones and various other forms of communication. Somewhat similar to the fictional Hive Mind... where else do you think GW got the idea?

Even insects feel emotion, break open a Bee Hive one day, and feel the hate.

I stepped on a mud-wasp nest when I was 3 years old. 24 stings.

Stepped on a wooden plank with a bee hive under it while picking strawberries when I was 8 years old. 308 stings.

Rammed my hand into a pipe on the side of a library while trying to dispose of a candy wrapper and found a hornets nest. No stings.

These were insects. They didn't get angry... they got instinctively defensive.

Bugs are little robots. You rip off an ants legs it isn't screaming in pain... it's simply thinking "does not compute! does not compute!"

Interesting side note: Intoxicated ants always stumble to the right.

A God of Tyranids cant happen.Maybe only if they all worsip on Hive Mind and that is phyker and die and in the end tyranids do cults.but as i read on fluff the become wild animals.so is like saying that robots made their God ( necrons arent robots )

a deamon manifasted by tyranids is likecly thought.......

DeffDred wrote:

Even insects feel emotion, break open a Bee Hive one day, and feel the hate.

I stepped on a mud-wasp nest when I was 3 years old. 24 stings.

Stepped on a wooden plank with a bee hive under it while picking strawberries when I was 8 years old. 308 stings.

Rammed my hand into a pipe on the side of a library while trying to dispose of a candy wrapper and found a hornets nest. No stings.

These were insects. They didn't get angry... they got instinctively defensive.

Bugs are little robots. You rip off an ants legs it isn't screaming in pain... it's simply thinking "does not compute! does not compute!"

Interesting side note: Intoxicated ants always stumble to the right.

I was cleaning around our hunting grounds and disturbed a Yellowjackets nest, they chased me forever! I did a mile in 6 minutes, got 246 stings.

I was playing paintball and slid down this hill and ran right into a Banana Spider. The dude bit me 3 god forsaken times. I swelled up like a microwave popcorn bag.

broodstar wrote:the Hive Mind isn't an actual being but, a word to refer to their collective conciousness.

If that is true then that would mean that the hive mind is simlare to the chaos Gods. So the hive mind is just a collection of the feelings and emotions (if they have eny) of an entire race, just like a chaos God (well sort of).
Think about it.(of courses that is if what broodstar is saying is true).

I see the similarity, but it's more likely that the Hive Mind is not an immaterial God, but rather just the will of trillions of organisms that do not have emotions. Its power just bleeds off the organisms it is a part of, nothing more, nothing less.

broodstar wrote:

Fido198674 wrote:Wouldn't that fall under Papa Nurgle?

Actually the overwhelming need to hunt and constantly mutate and evolve would all fall into survival, and survival fits squarely in with Papa Nurgle.

So I guess, as Tyranid numbers increase and the Hive Mind grows stronger, so will Nurgle.

Actually, there are two points on here that had me thinking. We have to know WHY the actual nids are noming:
If its because of famine and they are actually starving: Nurgle.
If its just pure gluttony and they dont really NEED to eat then its Slaanesh.

DA SPEED FREEK wrote:

Broodstar wrote:the Hive Mind isn't an actual being but, a word to refer to their collective conciousness.

If that is true then that would mean that the hive mind is simlare to the chaos god. So the hive mind is just a collection of the feelings and emotions (if they have eny) of an entire race, just like a chaos god (well sort of).
Think about it.(of courses that is if what Broodstar is saying is true).

Tyranid codex pg 6.

The Hive Mind holds all Tyranid Creatures in a psychic bond that enables them to act together as one gestalt organism. It is a single coordinating sentience formed from untold billions of individual consciousnesses, each of which is a Tyranid.

Interesting idea: The 'nids basic instinct to feed was so powerful, that it did create a Daemon, which then organised the race. AKA, The nids created the Hive Mind

Sorry I haven't read the Codex:Tyranid yet, but thanks for telling me.


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IHateNids wrote:Interesting idea: The 'nids basic instinct to feed was so powerful, that it did create a Daemon, which then organised the race. AKA, The nids created the Hive Mind

I was just saying that the Hive Mind was similar to a chaos God/daemon.
But your idea is good too.

I think the Hive mind is like the C'tan or Emperor-gods of the material realm that are pretty much equal to those in the warp.


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Not necessarily strength-wise, but they work the same way.

DemetriDominov wrote:I see the similarity, but it's more likely that the Hive Mind is not an immaterial God, but rather just thale will of trillions of organisms that do not have emotions. Its power just bleeds off the organisms it is a part of, nothing more, nothing less.

Actually, the Codex says that not all Tyranids are mindless, granted the guants and rippers are but, the Synapse creatures are really intelligent.


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Hunchkrot wrote:I think the Hive mind is like the C'tan or Emperor-gods of the material realm that are pretty much equal to those in the warp.


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Not necessarily strength-wise, but they work the same way.

In order for the Hive Mind to be a physical being, that our have a major change in the fluff.

Ward is probably reading this,maybe we will have Nurgle's lictor which can' simulate corpses...

DatrhMarko wrote: Ward is probably reading this,maybe we will have Nurgle's lictor which can' simulate corpses...

Venomthropes of Nurgle
Genestealers of Korne
Zoanthropes of Tzeentch
Hive Tyrant of Slaanesh

DeffDred wrote:
These were insects. They didn't get angry... they got instinctively defensive.

Bugs are little robots. You rip off an ants legs it isn't screaming in pain... it's simply thinking "does not compute! does not compute!"

In the end, so are we. The only difference between our responses to sense-data and the insect's response is that ours are much more complex.

On-topic, I'd say that the Hive Mind being what it is, and the Nid's psychic manifestations being an assertion of power over the individual by the whole, then no, they can't spawn a warp being.

Kovnik Obama wrote:

DeffDred wrote:
These were insects. They didn't get angry... they got instinctively defensive.

Bugs are little robots. You rip off an ants legs it isn't screaming in pain... it's simply thinking "does not compute! does not compute!"

In the end, so are we. The only difference between our responses to sense-data and the insect's response is that ours are much more complex.

On-topic, I'd say that the Hive Mind being what it is, and the Nid's psychic manifestations being an assertion of power over the individual by the whole, then no, they can't spawn a warp being.

When the hyenas steal the lionskill the lions don't go out and kill every hyena.

When the wolves of England killed children and livestock humans killed every last wolf in England. That is hatred.

DeffDred wrote:When the hyenas steal the lionskill the lions don't go out and kill every hyena.

When the wolves of England killed children and livestock humans killed every last wolf in England. That is hatred.

Yes, because, like I said, we have more complex methods of coping with our environment. There's no difference of nature there, tho, just one of complexity. Hatred is a more complex response than anger because it last longer in time, and deals with a projected abstraction of the initial anger (or fear).

What seperates us from insects (beyond complexity) is rational thinking and language, not emotions.

DeffDred wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:

DeffDred wrote:
These were insects. They didn't get angry... they got instinctively defensive.

Bugs are little robots. You rip off an ants legs it isn't screaming in pain... it's simply thinking "does not compute! does not compute!"

In the end, so are we. The only difference between our responses to sense-data and the insect's response is that ours are much more complex.

On-topic, I'd say that the Hive Mind being what it is, and the Nid's psychic manifestations being an assertion of power over the individual by the whole, then no, they can't spawn a warp being.

When the hyenas steal the lionskill the lions don't go out and kill every hyena.

When the wolves of England killed children and livestock humans killed every last wolf in England. That is hatred.

Yeah, you don't see a lot of Genocide in the animal world.

Which you bring me to another great point of contention I have with how the community treats the Tyranid. They say Tyranid are mindless animal...that's like the sheep calling the farmer dinner.


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Kovnik Obama wrote:

What seperates us from insects (beyond complexity) is rational thinking and language, not emotions.

well language no, all animals posses language. the complexity of the languages expands with social behavior.

broodstar wrote:
Yeah, you don't see a lot of Genocide in the animal world.

They do. Primates engage in genocide, or 'clan pogroms', and will go out of their way to hunt down all the members of a particular clan for very little apparent reasons.

well language no, all animals posses language. the complexity of the languages expands with social behavior.

Philosophy of language distinguishes between animal communication and language, based on the fact that we have conceptual capacities with our language. It's the symbolic capacity of our communication which makes ours 'language' and other's just communication.

Language may refer either to the specifically human capacity for acquiring and using complex systems of communication, or to a specific instance of such a system of complex communication. (...) When used as a general concept, "language" refers to the cognitive faculty that enables humans to learn and use systems of complex communication.

-Wiki.

Ants have a written language.

Tyranids don't. Ants are more intelligent than Tyranids.