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Let me just say i love MegaNobz, at least in 5th Ed. However, I'm not sure how I feel about MegaNobz in this edition. At first glance, they appear very much better then in 5th ( ignore Power Weapons, 2d6 charge range) until you get to S&P. The inability to run cripples MANz, in my view. I've played a few games with MANz in this edition, and they are definitely a unit that needs support( transport, Lootas, Warboss, Grotsnik).

I feel as though they are best run MSU, as you don't want too many points tied up in a unit that moves slowly across the board.

I wanted to see if there's any other ideas on how best to run MegaNobz in 6th.

Well, you can run them in a Battlewagon (I love my Battlewagon/Trukk rushes (though I never mix them).

You can stick a Shokk Attack Gun toting Big Mek with them and it'll let him fire on the move.

Frankly, my Meganobs would often only get to move 1 inch in the movement phase, and run 1 inch in the run (my looted wagons often lost control too, but Ld tests weren't a problem! lol) in 5th, so I'm rather glad that they can move a full 6 inches in 6th.

Maybe I'm spoiled, because I would play my MANz in Battlewagons, getting a 6" run from Ghazghull when I needed them to be someplace.

I miss that look of fear on my opponents' face

Dr. What wrote:Frankly, my Meganobs would often only get to move 1 inch in the movement phase, and run 1 inch in the run in 5th, so I'm rather glad that they can move a full 6 inches in 6th.

Yeah, a definite 6 inches is at least reliable, unlike 2D6 which only averages 7 inches anyway. Sure, a cheap trukk or BW will help a lot with mobility if you want to get into the enemy's face, but that was true in 5th too.

they used to move in difficult all the time. now you get 6" move all the time. pop waagh on the turn they charge to reroll any/all dice. the definite ghaz 6" run was more distance on average, but i feel that the d6 run in a regular army is currently outshined by no random movement and rerolling the charge distance.

i put my MANZ in a wagon and have had little problem with them getting where they need to be. i generally run 5-6 of them in a unit.

The problem I have is that MANz are still affected by difficult terrain, and in 6th terrain is more prevalent. Also getting them to there first target doesn't seem hard, but getting them to the next target is.

I had a game where 6 MANz and a Mega Boss, jumped out of a wagon and assaulted a Demolisher, but couldn't do anything else the rest of the game. Every other unit that was in range immediately ran away in the next turn. I learned several things from this:

1) MSU maybe better to spread out the threat
2) when you're done killing try to get back into your transport
3) if you feel lucky use your consolidation to help with #2 or to advance.

Is there an Orky Deffwing equivalent? Merely out of curiosity, I swear, but I thought it would be funny to see a 'swarm' of 60 MANz bum rushing 25 Terminators as a 2K point game.

I think they're much better now. I think I'd almost rather have the guaranteed 6" movement than a D6" Move and a D6" Run. And now that they can Disembark 6" too, I think they're almost strictly better than they were in 5th.

I'd prefer that we keep this topic about tactical advice on ways to make MegaNobz awesome in this edition.

Also, since I've been running Nob Bikerz a lot I've fallen in love with Kombi-Scorchas. Since MegaNobz can take Kombi-Scorchas, that would be a good idea to take as an option.

Tagboard Wizard wrote:Is there an Orky Deffwing equivalent? Merely out of curiosity, I swear, but I thought it would be funny to see a 'swarm' of 60 MANz bum rushing 25 Terminators as a 2K point game.

Yes there is. You take 2 megabosses and you can then take 5 whole units of MANz, which would fetch you an impressive 50 MANz on the table. Yeouch.

KingCracker wrote:

Tagboard Wizard wrote:Is there an Orky Deffwing equivalent? Merely out of curiosity, I swear, but I thought it would be funny to see a 'swarm' of 60 MANz bum rushing 25 Terminators as a 2K point game.

Yes there is. You take 2 megabosses and you can then take 5 whole units of MANz, which would fetch you an impressive 50 MANz on the table. Yeouch.

Or take 4 Mega Bosses and have 4 troop MegaNob units, and 6 Elite units.

or, you keep them at the 6 MANz size and put them all in Trukks! that would net you all of... 60 MANz and 10 Trukks! Plus 4 Mega bosses!

mrfantastical wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

Tagboard Wizard wrote:Is there an Orky Deffwing equivalent? Merely out of curiosity, I swear, but I thought it would be funny to see a 'swarm' of 60 MANz bum rushing 25 Terminators as a 2K point game.

Yes there is. You take 2 megabosses and you can then take 5 whole units of MANz, which would fetch you an impressive 50 MANz on the table. Yeouch.

Or take 4 Mega Bosses and have 4 troop MegaNob units, and 6 Elite units.

Disregard. I forgot about allies lol

MANz were awful when foot slogging before. What has changed?

The change for me was that they were a reasonable way to open battlewagons. Now battlewagon spam has lost its shine I can not really see the need for them.
Yes, 2+ armour is harder to crack but they used to die before hitting back when stuck in cc, they were mostly used for opening mech which they will be better at now.

Maybe give them to a SAG.

No I think MANz REALLY got a boost to the power weapon AP change. They are now multi wound models that can 2+ save damn near everything. So against PW reliant armies like MEQs they are really shining now. Sure they still have a low LD, but there are ways to boost their flaws as always. Sides, MANz should have always been in a transport from the start, so anyone complaining about them being slow still, is using them wrong.

Put them with the Mad Doc. He gives them better leadership, Cybork Bodies and FNP.

Thats a pretty popular way of doing it. And Docs rage really wouldnt be a problem for the MANz either, since you WANT them in the assault

KingCracker wrote:Thats a pretty popular way of doing it. And Docs rage really wouldnt be a problem for the MANz either, since you WANT them in the assault

If only it was Rage (which it should be) then Mad Doc would be Mandatory in all my Orc lists. As is Grotznik's "One scapel" is basically Rage from 5th edition without the name "Rage". Last thing you want from a slow unit, is to be kited.

Again transports will help negate that from happening.

I thought even in a transport Grotznik's, "One Scapel" made even the transport drive towards the closest enemy. I hope that's changed.

Nope, the transport is unaffected by the 'One Scalpel' rule. after they disembark/transport is destroyed however, and it's back to mary poppin's musical numbers.

Tagboard Wizard wrote:Nope, the transport is unaffected by the 'One Scalpel' rule. after they disembark/transport is destroyed however, and it's back to mary poppin's musical numbers.

Maybe you want to have a look the ork FAQ. "One Scalpel short of medpack", unlike 5th's rage, transfers to the transport.

Jidmah wrote:

Tagboard Wizard wrote:Nope, the transport is unaffected by the 'One Scalpel' rule. after they disembark/transport is destroyed however, and it's back to mary poppin's musical numbers.

Maybe you want to have a look the ork FAQ. "One Scalpel short of medpack", unlike 5th's rage, transfers to the transport.

Yeppers. Just looked at the FAQ. Grotznik is still kiteable, even in transports. So he's good for MegaNobz, because of FNP and cybork bodies. Unfortunately the unit is slow, and have to blindly chase the closest enemy.

Can still be good, as long as you make sure the MegaNob unit isn't a scoring unit, and you can get them to a good concentration of the enemy.

I posted a link with a list idea at 1500 points.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/472972.page#4707415

Dr. What wrote:
You can stick a Shokk Attack Gun toting Big Mek with them and it'll let him fire on the move.

LOL!
That must be epic!

I'd say stick them in a super fast trukk, because even if the trukk gets destroyed, you'd have to be as unlucky as my big bro to have any of them die! Also, as quoted, putting a "Shokk Attack Gun toting Big Mek" with them should be funny and effective!