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Do you get 2 D3 hits? or just D3 hits?

what unit that can overwatch has an assault 2 template?

Horst wrote:what unit that can overwatch has an assault 2 template?

Furioso Dreadnought with frag cannon.

My opinion would be 2D3....but it would be easy to argue D3 as well.

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A Heavy Bolter in Overwatch shoots 3 shots in Overwatch. A Bolter in Overwatch gets to Rapid Fire and shoot 2 shots in Overwatch. This is because Overwatch is resolved just like a Shooting attack, albeit at BS 1, but follows all the same rules for Shooting. An assault 2 template weapon would fire twice and get 2 d3, or d6, hits. You could argue that you have to roll 2d3s, but I would allow just a d6 for simplicity sake.

Captain Antivas wrote:A Heavy Bolter in Overwatch shoots 3 shots in Overwatch. A Bolter in Overwatch gets to Rapid Fire and shoot 2 shots in Overwatch. This is because Overwatch is resolved just like a Shooting attack, albeit at BS 1, but follows all the same rules for Shooting. An assault 2 template weapon would fire twice and get 2 d3, or d6, hits. You could argue that you have to roll 2d3s, but I would allow just a d6 for simplicity sake.

but there's a possibility of just 1 hit with d6 and with 2d3 the minimum of hits is 2 so who in their right minds would roll the d6?

Captain Antivas wrote:A Heavy Bolter in Overwatch shoots 3 shots in Overwatch. A Bolter in Overwatch gets to Rapid Fire and shoot 2 shots in Overwatch. This is because Overwatch is resolved just like a Shooting attack, albeit at BS 1, but follows all the same rules for Shooting. An assault 2 template weapon would fire twice and get 2 d3, or d6, hits. You could argue that you have to roll 2d3s, but I would allow just a d6 for simplicity sake.

I would insist on the 2x d3's if I was the one rolling it, because with 2x d3's you have a minimum of 2 hits instead of rolling a single hit

However... can dreadnoughts even overwatch? I know vehicles can't, do walkers get a rule that lets them?

Also, I'm pretty sure yous till only get the single d3. The rule says a template weapon gets d3 hits. Doesn't matter if it gets more than 2 shots, it only gets d3 hits.

Botom left of the Walker rules. Walkers may overwatch

masquerade81 wrote:

Captain Antivas wrote:A Heavy Bolter in Overwatch shoots 3 shots in Overwatch. A Bolter in Overwatch gets to Rapid Fire and shoot 2 shots in Overwatch. This is because Overwatch is resolved just like a Shooting attack, albeit at BS 1, but follows all the same rules for Shooting. An assault 2 template weapon would fire twice and get 2 d3, or d6, hits. You could argue that you have to roll 2d3s, but I would allow just a d6 for simplicity sake.

but there's a possibility of just 1 hit with d6 and with 2d3 the minimum of hits is 2 so who in their right minds would roll the d6?

Valid point. I never thought of it that way. 2d3 it is! And if they want to roll a d6 I will snigger in the corner if they roll a 1.

You only get the single d3, sadly. I was hoping the FAC would get 2d3, then re-read the Wall of Death rules. They just give you a d3 hits per weapon/firer, not per shot.

GW might give us 2d3 if they FAQ it, on the basis of "what makes sense", but I don't see the question being asked often enough to make it into the FAQ.

A template weapon gets d3 hits on overwatch. That's one weapon. A deff dread with two skorchas gets 2d3 hits.

Horst wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure yous till only get the single d3. The rule says a template weapon gets d3 hits. Doesn't matter if it gets more than 2 shots, it only gets d3 hits.

The rules for templates also says (under Multiple Templates) that you resolve each template separately. When you fire your template in the regular shooting phase you place it, resolve the hits, and place it again. Same for Overwatch. Roll the first one, resolve the d3 hits, roll the second one, resolve the d3 hits.

Horst wrote:However... can dreadnoughts even overwatch? I know vehicles can't, do walkers get a rule that lets them?

Also, I'm pretty sure yous till only get the single d3. The rule says a template weapon gets d3 hits. Doesn't matter if it gets more than 2 shots, it only gets d3 hits.

Page 84, last sentence in the left column says that walkers can fire overwatch.

The third paragraph under overwatch on page 21 says that overwatch is resolved like a normal shooting attack, so if a walker has an assault 2 template weapon, it would fire both on overwatch for 2 D3 hits on the charging unit.

Edit: After reading Mannahnin's post, I re-read the template rules, and it does say the template weapons inflict d# hits, so I would guess for overwatch every template weapon would be considered to be an Assault 1 weapon.

But as above, if a walker is equipped with 2 template weapons, each would inflict D3 hits.

I was afraid of the D3 ruling over the 2D3. I could see how it could go either way per RAI, but indefinitely RAW it is D3. I will ask GW frequently in hopes they will FAQ to give 2D3.

Carnage43 wrote:

Horst wrote:what unit that can overwatch has an assault 2 template?

Furioso Dreadnought with frag cannon.

My opinion would be 2D3....but it would be easy to argue D3 as well.

You can't overwatch a blast weapon, this is not a vehicle or weapon that has 2 template weapons.

time wizard wrote:Edit: After reading Mannahnin's post, I re-read the template rules, and it does say the template weapons inflict d# hits, so I would guess for overwatch every template weapon would be considered to be an Assault 1 weapon.

But as above, if a walker is equipped with 2 template weapons, each would inflict D3 hits.

But under multiple templates it says you resolve each shot separately. So you would get d3 per shot. Nothing in the template or Wall of Death rules says d3 per model, it says d3 per template.

liturgies of blood wrote:

Carnage43 wrote:

Horst wrote:what unit that can overwatch has an assault 2 template?

Furioso Dreadnought with frag cannon.

My opinion would be 2D3....but it would be easy to argue D3 as well.

You can't overwatch a blast weapon, this is not a vehicle or weapon that has 2 template weapons.

Frag Cannon: Template, Assault 2.

Question is... Do you still get d3 per template if there is only one model in the assaulting unit?

Byte wrote:

liturgies of blood wrote:

Carnage43 wrote:

Horst wrote:what unit that can overwatch has an assault 2 template?

Furioso Dreadnought with frag cannon.

My opinion would be 2D3....but it would be easy to argue D3 as well.

You can't overwatch a blast weapon, this is not a vehicle or weapon that has 2 template weapons.

Frag Cannon: Template, Assault 2.

Confirmed. Page 414 BRB.

Captain Antivas wrote:

time wizard wrote:Edit: After reading Mannahnin's post, I re-read the template rules, and it does say the template weapons inflict d# hits, so I would guess for overwatch every template weapon would be considered to be an Assault 1 weapon.

But as above, if a walker is equipped with 2 template weapons, each would inflict D3 hits.

But under multiple templates it says you resolve each shot separately. So you would get d3 per shot. Nothing in the template or Wall of Death rules says d3 per model, it says d3 per template.

You get d3 hits if firing a template weapon, not d3 hits per shot.

Captain Antivas wrote:

time wizard wrote:Edit: After reading Mannahnin's post, I re-read the template rules, and it does say the template weapons inflict d# hits, so I would guess for overwatch every template weapon would be considered to be an Assault 1 weapon.

But as above, if a walker is equipped with 2 template weapons, each would inflict D3 hits.

But under multiple templates it says you resolve each shot separately. So you would get d3 per shot. Nothing in the template or Wall of Death rules says d3 per model, it says d3 per template.

I really, really want to agree with you. I would love to abuse this rule, however RAW says a template weapon inflicts D3 hits. Which is very different from a template inflict D3 hits. As I said, I could see RAI granting it 2D3 hits, but it is a hard case to win against RAW.

My bad, frag launcher is a template.
Never going to see one in action, but it is a template.

2d3 hits is how I would play it, but RAW, the template weapon deals d3 hits. I think this was unusual enough not to be put in the rules.

I hoped it would be d3 per shot. But in either case I have a heavy flamer on the other arm so I get that and the frag cannon, so either two or three. Technically an assault 2 weapon is 2 templates as in the shooting phase you could place both templates to cover different models. Most people place the template once and double the wounds for convenience and speed.

liturgies of blood wrote:My bad, frag launcher is a template.
Never going to see one in action, but it is a template.

Says you, I see more than enough frag launchers from different BA players in my area. Not everyone just copy pastes lists from BOLS.

juraigamer wrote:

liturgies of blood wrote:My bad, frag launcher is a template.
Never going to see one in action, but it is a template.

Says you, I see more than enough frag launchers from different BA players in my area. Not everyone just copy pastes lists from BOLS.

Really? I think it's a waste of a model but YMMV

S6 rending two shot template weapon is pretty darn good. Especially coming out of a pod, or Skies of Blood dropping out of a SR with Locator Beacon for precision placement.

I see that but the damage of two blood claws charging in and generating extra wounds would more then make up for that difference.

Not against terminators it wouldn't. Ap3 for blender dreads makes them much less of a threat

The other load out would do even less against terminators.
At least the furioso with two claws has a meltagun.

Look, not every codex is space heretics. BA does what it does. Being able to deploy 6 inches from a drop pod with a flamer toting dread is amazing and kills stuff dead. Also dreads aren't worse this edition, they are better, when's the last time you glanced a dread and immobilized it? Or glanced a dread and made it unable to shoot?