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Are snipers even worth taking in 6th edition. If so are they effective.

Its Iffy, they can do good camping a far objective but its kinda well wothless w/o support like a dread or something. But with presicion shot and if you are lucky rending with that shot you could take out weapons easily

I use them as objective sitters for those spots I dont think much action will take place. Plus they could annoy some squads my precision/rend shooting a special weapon or sergeant.

They're ok for objective sitting and occasionally taking out a special weapon.

I think with 6th edition snapfire it gives them a little more potential.
What I would do is take 9 straight up snipers and a ML with camo cloaks then infiltrate them to the left or right of the central objectives by a foot and ahalf.
Then what they will do is shoot troop choices that are foot slogging to that objective and get that rending against them even if its one or two rends.
Troops in vehicles? ok. you can pop with krak missle shots
If You've got a unit moving to attack your Scouts then move them away, and have them snap fire at that squad

In My Opinion: I think people might be overlooking how effective scouts can be. which you could use for your advantage.
But Don't take my word for it. Take some scouts and try some different combo's with them and see which one you like and works for you.

I have taken out one of my opponent's strongest models one game with only a scout squad before he could even use it first turn one game.

Hope this gives you some ideas on what you could do with them

A few games ago, I had a SM player use his scouts to take out my Avatar and Wraith lord. So yeah if your positioning is good and your dice are good Scouts can tear it up.. But however if not placed well scouts are vulnerable. Scouts are very unforgiving is not used well.

I always take my 10man unit of scouts with telion. They are awesome for camping objectives and for taking out MCs. I back them up with my sternguards though incase something nasty gets close I can unleash furry from my combi plasmas.

Well I've taken a ten man unit of Scout snipers in all of my 6th edition games. So far I've been underwhelmed. I usually only get 1 rend a turn and maybe two casualties. The only time they've been really useful was against Thunderwolf Cavalry. They simply don't have the ballistic skill they need to be truly effective snipers.

Space wolf scouts with a wolf priest. hitting on 3s re-rolling, wounding on 4s re-rolling.

They only re-roll 1's.

In my opinion a marine list isn't complete (or at least a fun list) without 5-10 scouts. I gamble with 5 and LOVE sniping special weapons/sergeants. You have pretty good chances with 5-10 snipers to get a precision+rend at least once every game.

I've had a lot of fun with sniper scouts with camo cloaks infiltrating in a nice well covered place and (hopefully) firing off precision shots at special weapons from the first turn forward.

They're not great, but they have their uses and they're fluffy. If you're taking an Aegis Defense Line I think they're pretty cool. Especially with Telion. He'll give the whole squad a 2+ cover save, and he can fire the Quad Gun with Precision Shooting and BS6. It's a nice way to camp an objective, get extra anti-flier shooting and some precision shots for killing off special weapons. It really depends on what you expect to face off against. They're pretty good against high toughness targets and exposed infantry. If you can get off a precision shot or two, or a rending shot or two, they can really be worth it. Taken with Lysander's bolster defenses ability, they can turn a 5+ forest save into a 2++. Thanks to BD +1, Cloak +1 and Stealth +1. :p

I've not had great luck with them. But I have a friend who uses 15-20 in his 2k lists and crushes with them. He take a 10 man with snipers and heavy bolter. And another 5-10 man with 5 snipers, and 5 shotguns. The shotgun squad combat squads down with the shotguns outflanking the other 5 sit on a quad gun. The 10 man typically sits in a bolstered ruin with 2+ cover save picking out special weapons and characters with precision shots.

Ratbarf wrote:Well I've taken a ten man unit of Scout snipers in all of my 6th edition games. So far I've been underwhelmed. I usually only get 1 rend a turn and maybe two casualties. The only time they've been really useful was against Thunderwolf Cavalry. They simply don't have the ballistic skill they need to be truly effective snipers.

Here's hoping they go back to their 4th edition stats.

Right now, they are WS/BS3 marines with a 4+ save. In 4th they were WS/BS4 humans with a 4+ save.

In 6th, the only advantage is to designating who needs to save versus 6 rolls. So let's look at it mathematically,

Half will hit.
1/3 of hits will hit a specific target.
1/2 of hits will wound.
1/3 of wounds will be rending.

So assuming you need 1 kill on that PITA sergent with the powerfist or the guy with the plasma cannon in a tac squad.

1 rending wound requires 6 rolls of a six to hit. To get 6 targeted hits, it requires only 36 sniper hits.

Bottom line it is a cool threat but not as dependable as even a devastator squad with 4 heavy bolters shooting at it.

Snipers are improved in value but they remain a supplemental gimmick to throw at an opponent They are not something you can count on to kill something.

wtwlf123 wrote:They're not great, but they have their uses and they're fluffy. If you're taking an Aegis Defense Line I think they're pretty cool. Especially with Telion. He'll give the whole squad a 2+ cover save, and he can fire the Quad Gun with Precision Shooting and BS6. It's a nice way to camp an objective, get extra anti-flier shooting and some precision shots for killing off special weapons. It really depends on what you expect to face off against. They're pretty good against high toughness targets and exposed infantry. If you can get off a precision shot or two, or a rending shot or two, they can really be worth it. Taken with Lysander's bolster defenses ability, they can turn a 5+ forest save into a 2++. Thanks to BD +1, Cloak +1 and Stealth +1. :p

Oops! Bolster Defences is only usable on a single ruin, sir.

Actually, it can be used on any terrain piece now(except purchased terrain)

GT wrote:Actually, it can be used on any terrain piece now(except purchased terrain)

I thought this was the case, but I can't find it. The FAQ still references bolstering a "ruin" exclusively.

Really you should only consider snipers.
BS skill doesn't matter so much as it is precision shots that you are really looking for.
Even then do not expect them to kill so many models.

Definitely good as they are scoring, tricky to kill and reasonable killing/neutering ability. However, do not expect them to kill much or not to be easy pickings if the wrong enemy units come walking by.

Telion is pretty awesome, they are worth it just for him. Especially if he gets a lascannon or quadgun to play with.

wtwlf123 wrote:

GT wrote:Actually, it can be used on any terrain piece now(except purchased terrain)

I thought this was the case, but I can't find it. The FAQ still references bolstering a "ruin" exclusively.

Darn, forgot that the Vanilla FAQ was different.

It seems GW forgot to put one of their blanket FAQ entries in. The GK and BA FAQ are identicle, they allow Tehcmarines to Bolster Ruins. The Vanilla FAQ is missing the change.

Grey Templar wrote:

wtwlf123 wrote:

GT wrote:Actually, it can be used on any terrain piece now(except purchased terrain)

I thought this was the case, but I can't find it. The FAQ still references bolstering a "ruin" exclusively.

Darn, forgot that the Vanilla FAQ was different.

It seems GW forgot to put one of their blanket FAQ entries in. The GK and BA FAQ are identicle, they allow Tehcmarines to Bolster Ruins. The Vanilla FAQ is missing the change.

I knew I wasn't crazy. The GK/BA FAQs have the current ruling, as far as the players in my local area are concerned. Most folks just consider those FAQs to be accurate for the Bolster Defenses rule in general, which allows the bolstering of any single piece of terrain in your deployment zone, with the exception of purchased fortifications.

Snipers + Telion + Cloaks for not Telion + Aegis w/ Icarus is about 300pts. Unless there's only 5 scouts, in which case it's about 230-240pts.

Probably a bit more, but yeah. If you want to go for super sniper lascannon telion, you are paying through the nose for it.