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Keep 'em in storage for when the Iron Core Universe gets fleshed out - soon!

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I just saw that on the Dreamforge facebook group (#l33t) and I need Alex Holker to shoot it down for me so I can stop thinking about it.

Valkir. With Statuesque heads. Bolters. Maybe even the little imperial back-pack topper.

Tell me how it's not SoB enough. Please tell me.

How much will they cost per model? Are you okay with the width of the shoulders?

I don't even know what I want those Shadowkesh for. I just know that I want them.

 Alpharius wrote:
Keep 'em in storage for when the Iron Core Universe gets fleshed out - soon!

Without being bitchy, I've got less interest in Iron Core as a game than I do in 40k. I like the Germans and their Knights as models, but I dislike the Shadowkesh immensely, and the background in general does very little for me. Just personal preferences, etc - not trying to piss on anyone's parade since I know a few people here are enthusiastic about the Shadowkesh and setting in general.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I just saw that on the Dreamforge facebook group (#l33t) and I need Alex Holker to shoot it down for me so I can stop thinking about it.

Valkir. With Statuesque heads. Bolters. Maybe even the little imperial back-pack topper.

Tell me how it's not SoB enough. Please tell me.

How much will they cost per model? Are you okay with the width of the shoulders?

Assuming it is not skin-tight armour and I would sink the head in a little deeper to represent more "machinery" in place, then I could live with it.

I'd buy more than one set, but with the low value of the dollar (CAD) right now, I'd get each head for about .85$, and a box of Valkir, retail, is going to be around 60$ If I use helmeted heads for half of them, that's about 69$ for 20 sisters, so 3.45$ a pop. If I get a sheet of brass imperial eagles the value might reach close to 4$, compared to almost 8$ for a set of new GW ones.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Keep 'em in storage for when the Iron Core Universe gets fleshed out - soon!

Without being bitchy, I've got less interest in Iron Core as a game than I do in 40k. I like the Germans and their Knights as models, but I dislike the Shadowkesh immensely, and the background in general does very little for me. Just personal preferences, etc - not trying to piss on anyone's parade since I know a few people here are enthusiastic about the Shadowkesh and setting in general.

THe one thing I find interesting about the Shadowkesh is that they are 9' tall (so 40mm in scale?). It would be ince to have an SF game where not everyone is human sized. Granted an extra 3' is not much, but it's a start.

An extra 3' at that scale would mean a lot. They would literaly tower over the rest of the opponents. It'd be damn impressive. I wonder if you'd need as much ground pounders, though. Because the fluff says they rely on number, but then your battlefield represents a small snapshot of a bigger battle...

I dunno.

I think the Shadokesh rely on their Feral packs and reclamation machines (their leviathans) for most work.

The actual Shadokesh come out for stubborn opposition.

9' will be huge, like Ork Nobz.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

THe one thing I find interesting about the Shadowkesh is that they are 9' tall (so 40mm in scale?). It would be ince to have an SF game where not everyone is human sized. Granted an extra 3' is not much, but it's a start.

I'll grant, that would be interesting, and oddly unusual for many of these games that we play.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I just saw that on the Dreamforge facebook group (#l33t) and I need Alex Holker to shoot it down for me so I can stop thinking about it.

Valkir. With Statuesque heads. Bolters. Maybe even the little imperial back-pack topper.

Tell me how it's not SoB enough. Please tell me.

I think they might be a little on the large side for Sisters. My own plan revolves around the Black Widows with some sculpted tabards, weapon swaps and either sculpted or 3rd party heads. Perhaps not quite as gothic as the current Sisters, but cheaper and more practical.

I just can't shake the feeling that the current Sisters range has too much of that "oh we got the form fitting power armour, because it shows off our legs" going on.

I see where you're coming from, but to me having to sculpt the tabards on top of sourcing heads is a bit too much.

I re-read the codex last night. I'll say I'm a bit turned off.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I just can't shake the feeling that the current Sisters range has too much of that "oh we got the form fitting power armour, because it shows off our legs" going on.

I see where you're coming from, but to me having to sculpt the tabards on top of sourcing heads is a bit too much.

Fair enough. The way I see it, with the detail I plan to add (tabards, scrollwork, a skull or two ) they fit a nice middle ground between 'practical, kick-ass military elite' and 'slightly over-the-top gothic warriors'. And I guess that, being far more a painter/modeller than gamer these days, I don't mind having to mod every figure pretty heavily if it looks good. I imagine as a gaming force it might be a bit too much though.

If anything, I'll be grabbing some Valkyr to mod as GK, I think they're too big for anything short of superhumans in Power Armour.

I just finished painting my first ten as GK, and they look the part, if only a bit too squeeky clean. I wanted to keep them generic enough in order to be able to repurpose them to ICU if/when it arises.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I just finished painting my first ten as GK, and they look the part, if only a bit too squeeky clean. I wanted to keep them generic enough in order to be able to repurpose them to ICU if/when it arises.

pics or it didn't happen.

Tomorrow, dear overlord?

I'll give you one day, but don't underestimate my generosity for weakness

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Assuming it is not skin-tight armour and I would sink the head in a little deeper to represent more "machinery" in place, then I could live with it.

I would not suggest doing that - that would only make the problem worse. Any suit of armour has to do three things:

1. Each articulated joint must be aligned with one of the wearer's joints.
2. Its sections must be broad enough to allow sufficient space inside for the wearer.
3. Its sections must be narrow enough to allow the wearer to move without armour being blocked by armour all the time.

Sinking the head deeper into the suit means scaling down the armature (the wearer's skeleton) around which the armour's joints must rotate. Since the issue is that the armour's shoulder joints are further apart than the woman's shoulder joints, reducing the separation between the woman's shoulder joints would make the fit even worse.

 Azazelx wrote:


That would be the bottleneck that we kept getting told by a couple of KS creators really didn't exist because WGF has completely different teams working on them all.

Anyway. Got my box. Shipped in 2015 and arrived in 2015. Shame nothing ever came of a coupon etc. Even though I have no idea what I'll ever do with these kits now that 40k isn't an important thing to me anymore, I'd still have picked up a couple of those nice-looking APCs..

Az, don't want to water anyone's procession here, but have you looked at the sprues on those APC's yet? I started on my first without checking them thoroughly enough. It turns out that 2 of the 3 I ordered have miss-moulds on sprue 'B'. Parts B20, caps for the weapon carriage, are not moulded properly for all but 2 of them and B21, the piece the weapon carriage screws into, is missing.

I have not gone to Mark yet as I am hoping to get some pictuires up in a little while, but am not well right now - Migraine - and I might just get to bed instead.




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Ok, got some pics up.

First is the best of the three sprues. These are parts B20.

Even then, they are not quite all the same although they are acceptable. the other two look like this.

Notice how there is a difference. The left-most two look like they have moulded in detail on them, but that detail is blurred on the other parts. Also there is a noticable sink mark just to the right of where it says "Keilerkopf"

The spaces where B21 should be.

This is the one that I used to finish working on the one I was building. Note that the gate for part B21, although blurred in the picture, is noticably round with a white area at the top. The white is the stressing caused by the cutters and is quite normal for part removal.

Note the gate is flat ended, and there is no white stressing evident. This part was missing when I checked 2 out of the 3 APC's I got.

The injection point.

This is the better one. Even then, there is a visible sink mark in the sprue pointing NW in the picture.

This is one of the ones with missing part B21. There are sink marks in all parts of the sprue. This is also evident in the 'cups' Mark designed to stabilist the frames and stop parts being damaged in transit.

I will let Mark know, of course, but just so he can keep an eye on the problem.

In the meantine, are there any UK backers that got Odin or Loki conversion kits and therefore don't need these parts and would be willing to send them to me?

Thanks.

First, these, as I promised them to Theophony and I don't want to think him weak











I did no basing at all. It's all black and squiggles and extra silver and ink puddles. I know. I don't know how to base them, tbh.

Second, I am building a test cannoness/sister superior with a spare Malifaux MPM head, I just couldn't find a spare bolter this morning. Don't you hate when that happens? And I understand what you mean, Alex, and I tend to agree. We'll see with the test.

After seeing that I am fearing for the quality of my upcoming Kingdom Death Monster pledge now.

That's bad. Maybe they need to make the gates a bit wider to allow a better flow?

Conrad Turner - thanks for the pics!

They are indeed troubling, though I'm sure Dreamforge will sort it, and you!, out in the end!

And BrookM is right - this does not bode well for Kingdom Death...

...unless the Malifaux veterans amongst us can settle our fears?!?

I don't think that will make my fears go away, as Kingdom Death Monster is perhaps the biggest project of them all tackled by Wargames Factory.

There are many factors that could cause that issue, pressure, heat, shot duration, etc. any or all the above.... I have sent a msg to WGF so they can look at it and make an educated determination of what might be going on. I have 2 APC kits here and checked them both and neither shows the sprue sink or the missing part.

I sent an email to Conrad, to find out exactly what he needs so we can get him a full working kit.

 Alpharius wrote:
Conrad Turner - thanks for the pics!

They are indeed troubling, though I'm sure Dreamforge will sort it, and you!, out in the end!

And BrookM is right - this does not bode well for Kingdom Death...

...unless the Malifaux veterans amongst us can settle our fears?!?

Well, I have a bunch of Malifaux plastic sitting around (pile of shame etc, you know the drill) and I don't think I've ever seen anything of the sort on any of those models.
Thing is, though: Most of those Malifaux sprues are smaller, and the parts are mostly quite a bit... stockier? for lack of a better term, compared to these.
I don't think I have seen any Malifaux sprue that pushes the limits anywhere near as much as some of these do.

Seeing this and being in the middle of assembling one of the APCs, I went to check my sprue B and it's pretty much exactly like Conrad's picture with part B21 being MIA and some sinks visible on various other areas.

I haven't had a chance yet to check the other APCs I received (as that's an easier-said-than-done task at the moment with where the boxes ended up), but I did want to mention it for Mark and other readers that they may want to check that sprue real quick. Nothing else jumped out at me as being awry, though I'm still only about 2/3s of the way through.

I got two APC's one is fine the other is the sane as Conrad's. I'm ok as I have the Odin/Loki kit for the second one.

Sadly even the best kit manufacturer can have problems which only show up in kits when they do the big release general runs,

I've had short shot/missing part issues with Tamiya & Dragon military kits and expensive Gundams in the past, it's really how well it's dealt with when it shows up

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
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I did no basing at all. It's all black and squiggles and extra silver and ink puddles. I know. I don't know how to base them, tbh.

Second, I am building a test cannoness/sister superior with a spare Malifaux MPM head, I just couldn't find a spare bolter this morning. Don't you hate when that happens? And I understand what you mean, Alex, and I tend to agree. We'll see with the test.

Nice work , really like the flames on the tabards, are they all freehand?