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This is for a tourney coming up in September. What do yous think?

Aegis Defense Line w/Quad gun- 100

HQ
Librarian- 100

ELITES
Riflman Dreadnought- 125
Riflman Dreadnought- 125

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon w/Typhoons- 155
Attack Bike w/MM- 50
Attack Bike w/MM- 50

TROOPS
Tactical Squad w/LC, PG, PW, Rhino - 240
Tactical Squad w/LC, PG, PW, Rhino - 240

HEAVY SUPPORT
Thunderfire Cannon- 100
Thunderfire Cannon- 100
Vindicator- 115

I would be worried about running a single vindicator. If the enemy is vulnerable to it, it will be killed off.

Stormtalons also work better in pairs.

I think you would better off with razorbacks over rhinos. It will boost your shooting, and both razorback and combat squad have the ADL to hide behind.
If you keep a rhino I would go meltagun+combimelta, this kills tanks nicely. In any case I would drop the power weapon, I think it is safer to try the best you can to avoid cc, then combat tactic out of trouble.

Well you have a good amount of shooting but if someone gets to you you are going to be in trouble as you have very little in the way of assault.

I think if your opponent targets your rhino/tacticals early you will end up playing for the draw a lot.

Since when have ultrasmurfs needed any assault units?
Command squads and assault termies are cool, honour guard if you want to be fluffy.
But it is not needed.

If an enemy kills 2 rhinos of 4 combat squads of marines, they are doing very well. I can imagine the rest of the army may have thing to say about it.

This all sounds negative but I think it is good to get a discussion on points

more troopers

More troops, brah. 2 squads is wayyyy too few, combat-squadding isn't the answer, because then they're just 5-man 3+ saves waiting to get wiped out.

So maybe drop the Vindicator and PW's for a scout squad w/telion?

I would drop the Bikes and Thunderfire cannons for another vindicator and another Stormtalon. And switch the Typhoons on the Stormtalon for the skyhammer missiles.

The thunderfire cannons will be staying. They have earned their points back every game, as where the stormtalon has only made its points back 25% of the time.....

The bikes are there for some really good av 13/14

The only thing I can think of is adding the sniper scouts with tellion to man the quad gun. They hold an objective and tellion fires his quad gun. Other than that I like the look of it. To get the scouts the first thing that pops out is the a dread or stormtalon

This is a pretty solid list, i ahve a very similar one. Telion is too expensive at 1500, he doesn't make up the points, however a 5 man sniper team with camo is a good objective sitter since with the Techmarines ruin bonus they get a 2+ cover on an objective in ruins. That's pretty powerful and very hard to shake. You can just combat squad one of the 10 man units and put them on the quad gun instead. Ur definitely going to want the missiles on the storm talon, he wont survive for very long so he needs to take out a flyer with him at minimum.

TFCs are also very good for their points, though id likely suggest replacing one with the quad gun. I've found that one is more than enough, and air will be your biggest issue. KEEP the vindicator, that sucker ROCKS against draigo and everything else.

Definitely keep the bikes, they are lifesavers. and late game contesters

The only main thing differences people are trying:

1. whirlwind for barrage sniping and it's rumoured to get skyfire/interceptor, which will be pretty huge.
2. Sternguard for all around awesome/wound generator/counter attack. Combi flamers and combi meltas are good here for anti-tank and to making charging them costly. 5 man squad with combi is 150 I think? I pair it with the libby, who im trying to figure out how to give termi armour too for extra survivability.

Would dropping the bikes, vindi, and a tbunderfire to add ome tau allies be a good or bad idea? The tau would include a squad of firewarriors, 2 broadsides, and a shas'o

It's something ive considered but honestly I dont think so quite yet. I feel like a tau ally will be a long stronger int he spring when they get their new codex, but all of what you just listed you'd get for tau doesnt really help us.

What will be our toughest matchups for this sort of army? Fast moving hordes like nids, deathstars, and flyers. Is that tau especially good at any of that? not really. The vindicator/thunderfire wreck hordes, can wreck deathstars, and bikes can also sniper deathstars from the rear. Since we cant use tau markerlights we cant really get any help against flyers, so they dont really help against those either. I just think tau are more of a "win-more" ally than actually filling a vital hole in this type of army.

They do look cool tho.




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As an example here is my latest list. Similar,, just manages to squeeze in the sternguard for more firepower (one of the weaknesses ive noticed is a realtive lack of ways to deal with higher toughness badguys, sternguard fix that with hellfire rounds) and the whirlwind. The whirlwind came from reecius's own SM TAC list and he points out that it can snipe certain deathstars via barrage and will likely be able to be upgraded to become an AA platform which we could always use more of, so I figured id go ahead and find the points for it. The libby gains terminator armour to make the sternguard a much tougher nut to crack, and gate also came from reecius as a way to get around the board for late game linebreaker/objective denial.

The scouts are also a super tough objective holder when in ruins because the techmarine can give them a 2+ cover save

HQ
Librarian with gate/nullzone and termi armour: 125

Elite
5 man sterguard with 2 combi melta and 3 combi-flamer - 150
rifleman dreadnought - 125

FA
Stormtalon with skyhammer missiles- 155
2xAttack bike with MM - 100

Troops
5 man scouts with ML and camo-cloaks - 100
2xTac squad with ML and PG - 180

HS
TFC - 100
Vindicator - 115
Whirlwind - 85

Fortifications
Aegis defense line with icarus lascannon

I'm going to add a 5-6 man scout sniper squad with a ML, but should I drop a Dreadnought or the Stormtalon for the points?

I am thinking the Stormtalon, because the dreads always make their points back.....