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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 11:26:09
Subject: Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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Sister Oh-So Repentia
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Not sure if this should go in News & Rumors, but I wasn't sure where else to put it and it is "news" as it comes from a news website.
The article is the most even handed I've read for one covering wargaming and it doesn't sink into the usual, "Who are these wierdo's?" storyline that usually plagues this type of report. Also, I appreciated the really in depth history of the hobby.
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/gaming/2012/09/warhammer_40k_why_american_troops_love_to_play_a_game_featuring_orks_necrons_and_space_marines_.html
EDIT : more of a discussion topic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 11:29:05
Subject: Re:Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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I'll repost it here for the work-blocked:
Marines Who Love Space Marines
Why American troops can’t get enough of Warhammer 40,000, a fantasy tabletop game set in the 41st millennium.
As an Army officer, Maj. Stephen D. Carey has served tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. In his spare time, he fights a different kind of battle, one that rages in the apocalyptic 41st millennium. The distant future would be a terrifying realm for a mere mortal, what with all the Necrons, Tyranids, and Tau on the loose. To survive the war-torn galaxy, Carey enlists the help of marauding, green-skinned Orks. He also presides over an Imperial Guard army, because some days, defending mankind is more fun than trying to destroy it.
This is the intricate, intense world of Warhammer 40,000, a tabletop war game played with hand-painted, miniature figurines. Warhammer 40,000, which its devotees call 40K, first hit shelves in 1987 and is the product of Games Workshop, a British corporation whose influence extends far beyond the United Kingdom. Around 70 percent of the company’s sales come from abroad, and the retailer has 86 official stores in North America alone.
What kind of people stage make-believe wars with armloads of Space Marines? A lot of the time, it’s real Marines. Games Workshop’s U.S.-based outreach manager estimates that 20 to 25 percent of Games Workshop’s American customers are active members of the military. If you include veterans, she says, that number jumps to about 40 percent. “The bottom line is, there are nerds everywhere,” Carey explains. “I’ve been an infantryman for 20 years. I’m no stranger to fighting. But I’m a total nerd.”
Warhammer 40,000’s geeky shell hides a militaristic soul. I spent a recent afternoon watching 40K at the Northern Virginia home of Mike Brandt, an attorney who runs one of the country’s biggest annual Warhammer conventions, the NOVA Open. The atmosphere at Brandt’s place was like an Ork-themed poker night—guys smoked cigars, drank beer, and instead of talking trash, gossiped about 40K’s new edition. The fast-paced, one-on-one matchups were contested on 6-by-4-foot pieces of wood. Each player served as his own general, controlling model soldiers, tanks, and futuristic aircraft with dice rolls. (Since there are no defined spaces, tape measures—like this skull-shaped one—were used to determine how far pieces moved.)
The game is essentially Risk but with Dark Eldar and Chaos Daemons. “It’s like playing chess with toy soldiers and using a textbook for rules,” says former Marine Samuel Corum, a combat photographer who served two tours of duty in Iraq.
Corum isn’t exaggerating. The 40K Rulebook is 452 pages long. Each set of characters has a 100-page manual that explains its back story, abilities, and point values. The 40K wiki describes the Orks as being “dominated by the WAAAGH!, a gestalt psychic field they generate that affects the Ork psyche, which allows Orks to instinctively recognize who is ‘bigga’, and therefore who is in charge, since might makes right in Ork society.”
In 40K, though, mythology is less important than victory. “My whole goal is to kill you,” explains Charles Pope, a former Army sergeant. “I don’t want prisoners.” And when you’re playing with another service member, that kill-or-be-killed attitude is A-OK. “It’s a lot more fun to play games with servicemen because they have an ingrained sense of rules; they don’t complain about them,” says Neil Gilstrap, who co-hosts the 40K-centric podcast The 11th Company. They also enjoy flexing their strategic muscles. “How the mechanics of the game work, how to put together the best army, what units function the best,” Carey says, ticking off military skills that translate to 40K. “[The game] satisfies the inner tactician in a lot of soldiers.”
40K may not be a true simulation of armed conflict, but it’s part of a centuries-long tradition of war games. After World War II, U.S. Navy Adm. Chester W. Nimitz credited gaming for helping the Allies prepare. “The war with Japan had been re-enacted in the game rooms here by so many people and in so many different ways,” he said, “that nothing that happened during the war was a surprise—absolutely nothing except the kamikaze tactics towards the end of the war; we had not visualized those.”
Elements of gaming are still present in modern warfare. In Iraq and Afghanistan, Carey served as an operations officer (an S3, to be exact) for an infantry battalion. His responsibilities included developing battle plans from the tactical operations center. “In the movies when you see the room/tent with all the maps, projection screens, and radios with guys moving icons around on a map board—that’s the TOC,” he said in an email. “In a way, running a TOC is as close to hobby war gaming as it gets in the military.”
The hobby side of war gaming didn’t really begin until 1913, with H.G. Wells’ publication of Little Wars, a plan for “a game for boys from 12 years of age to 150 and for that more intelligent sort of girl who likes boys’ games and books.” In it, the English author lays out rules for a strategic version of toy soldiers—the number of moves required “to pass a fordable river,” “to embark into boats,” and “to unlimber guns.” Over the course of the last century, more tabletop war games sprouted. In January 1965, Sports Illustrated devoted a lengthy feature to men who waged war with historically accurate miniature troops. “We think the war game is superior to chess,” one of the dedicated hobbyists explained. “After all, chess is played on a board that never varies, with the same amount of men every time. But the variations on war games are limited only by your imagination.”
The iconic Dungeons & Dragons entered the fray in 1974 and shifted traditional war games in the direction of role playing. D&D players choose characters and go on adventures together. Games are open-ended and participants gain experience points that carry over to future sessions. Warhammer Fantasy Battle, which came out in 1983, borrowed from D&D’s Tolkien-esque imagery but focused more on one-off, army-against-army clashes. Warhammer 40,000 built on its still-popular predecessor’s aggressiveness but added a darker futuristic setting, advanced weaponry, and more violence. Consider Games Workshop’s description of “the tabletop battlegame of the far future”:
The 41st Millennium is a savage future age where Mankind must battle for survival in a galaxy riven by bloodshed and destruction. Humanity teeters on the brink of extinction, assailed on all sides by aliens, traitors and Daemons, and only the superhuman strength of the Space Marines and the uncountable numbers of the Imperial Guard stand between the slavering alien hordes and total annihilation.
For service members, the game’s appeal goes beyond basic competition. Corum spent a chunk of the last decade living in a meticulously regimented world. Everything, including his uniform and hairline, was heavily scrutinized. “There’s an inherent attention to detail that a lot of good soldiers and Marines have,” he says. That also applies to 40K. The majority of playable pieces are 1-inch models that must be painstakingly assembled and hand-painted. (The figurines can cost upward of $20 a pop and are sometimes called “plastic crack.”) A particularly dedicated artist can spend 30 hours working on a single figurine, making sure to dab a perfectly round black dot in the middle of a white eyeball.
“I’m not fast at [painting],” Army Sgt. Steffan McBee, who’s currently deployed in Afghanistan, said in an email, “But it’s calming”—and more intellectually stimulating than what he could be doing. “Everyone knows guys need stress relief. And as I tell my wife, [Warhammer] keeps me off the streets and out of the bars.”
McBee doesn’t often struggle to find a game—his 600-plus person unit includes 13 regular 40K players. He’s also managed to come up with a system to play without miniatures, on grid paper, in case he’s stuck without his figurines. To him, the game’s appeal is pretty simple. “It’s partly that it’s a battle that we actually have control over,” McBee said. “Part of it is imagining the battle as it plays out as the dice decide the fate of your models. I have a very vivid imagination.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 11:32:11
Subject: Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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Wow, some good press about 40k for once. I liked it, thanks for putting it up
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 11:32:47
Subject: Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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But yes, an enjoyable article that for once does not cast the hobby in a bad light.
Who else remembers when in 2001-2002 GW USA donated tons and tons of starters and Blood Bowl sets to the US armed forces to keep morale up?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 11:58:16
Subject: Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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Interesting on the percentage of customers (at least 40%) GW US know to be outwith what we're constantly told is the "Target market" of early teenagers...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 12:05:53
Subject: Re:Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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Well I've played 40K overseas in Afghanistan without the mini's
5.56 rounds were regular grunts/orks/ SM/what have you
7.62 rounds were termies and the equivalent of
20MM round dreadnaughts and their equivalent
frag grenade were transport
smoke grenade were tanks
All on a sand table. Everyone made sure that the pins were not pulled to simulate a explosion if a vehicle goes "boom" in the game
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 12:11:19
Subject: Re:Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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Regular Dakkanaut
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The hobby side of war gaming didn’t really begin until 1913, with H.G. Wells’ publication of Little Wars, a plan for “a game for boys from 12 years of age to 150 and for that more intelligent sort of girl who likes boys’ games and books.”
So apparently war gaming isn't an old boys club. Clearly the "NO STUPID GIRLS ALLOWED" sign from back in the day was a unintended misinterpretation of their intentions. Spread the word! War gaming needs (intelligent) women to correct this grievous error!
No. Seriously. Do it. I'll wait.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 12:17:20
Subject: Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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It's not just the US servicemen. Several of my clients are in the armed forces of various nationalities. Good article, too and I think it hits the nail on the head with the motivation for wargaming in general.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 12:28:22
Subject: Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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Stitch Counter
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I guess GW's new PR consultants are earning their keep.
Having employed consultants myself in my own business I can see their handiwork here. For instance, note that these are all " 40k players", not general wargamers, although of course the article does mention the history of the hobby. The existance of Warmahordes players in the US military is quietly not even mentioned, although it exists and if the article had been originated by a journalist, and not GW's PR consultants, then they would likely have been a mention of that or other popular brands of wargames. Heck, there must be a bazillion historical wargamers in the military, but of course it doesn't suit GW's purposes to mention that inconvenient fact!
Now I'm not claiming this is a bad thing. Any positive story about wargaming is good in my book. Just saying this looks like classic PR - the company seeding a "general interest" story into the mainstream media, showing their company in a positive light. People will read it, forget it and move on, but be left with a general warm and fuzzy feeling associated with the company's brand image, which may turn into increased sales , or serve to offset negative feelings deriving from other sources (say parents not understanding this hobby their kids have got into!) Finally it looks like GW may be realising that they aren't quite as unique and "niche" as they perhaps used to believe and that they need to go out an engage the audience in some way. Of course other companies have been doing this for centuries (including my own), it just takes GW a while to catch up is all.  The most positive thing I get from this is that GW are acknowledging that there is a significant amount of their players that are adults. That alone has got to be a good thing!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 13:08:14
Subject: Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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Very entertaining and accurate account. Being in the service I play 40k regularly. This is a fine article that really does justice to service members and table top gamers a like. Great article.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 13:41:58
Subject: Re:Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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I understand why some might think this article offers "good Press", but to me there is a distinct undertone equating tabletop wargaming with warmongering here.
I don't know if this is the intention of the author, but the way it's broken down comes across as if military personnel can't get enough violence in the real world, they try to get it with little men on the tabletop.
I don't think I'm jumping to conclusions, does anyone else see this?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 13:50:43
Subject: Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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It's just you.
This is a fluff piece.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 14:00:25
Subject: Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Only thing that stands out to me is the whole "we don't bitch about the rules" blurb, I'd love to see that more around here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 14:03:00
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Brook, you forgot page 2
Also yes, this is a fluff piece. It paints 40k in a very positive light. On one hand, it shows that there are ways that soldiers are keeping themselves sane (We really don't need a "Private Pyle" moment ala Full Metal Jacket), and it shows the game in a really positive light.
And I definitely didn't get warmongering out of this article, it was very light hearted.
Good find man!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 14:04:36
Subject: Re:Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Huh, whoops!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 14:05:49
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I see the Mayreenz are still holding down the wargaming fort
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 14:06:14
Subject: Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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And fixed, drat, really didn't see it was a two-pager!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 14:20:50
Subject: Re:Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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I have to say I don't get any negative, or for that matter, positive innuendo from the article. I actually found it to be relatively straight forward, presenting what the author observed with little judgement.
This type of article is actually the reason I go to this news site. Aside from their political coverage, which is biased to say the least, they do a lot of articles with a kind of detached perspective, usually that cover social trends or ideas with a philosophical twist. They're a little formulaic with the typical article going: 1. Here's this thing people are doing that you might not know about, 2. Here's where it originates, 3. Wrap up with some quotes from people involved.
Anyway, it's good to see an article that doesn't begin with, "Have you ever heard riotous screaming while walking through the mall and wondered what it was? It was probably a bunch of socially underdeveloped adolescent boys playing with toys."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 15:20:22
Subject: Re:Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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Games Workshop’s U.S.-based outreach manager estimates that 20 to 25 percent of Games Workshop’s American customers are active members of the military
Where did that number come from? Does the GW shops right next to the few bases around the states actually make up that large of sales?
Good article none the less.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 15:33:38
Subject: Re:Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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Well, shoot, I came here to post this article as well. Guess I'll need to get up earlier next time Automatically Appended Next Post: Osbad wrote:I guess GW's new PR consultants are earning their keep.
Having employed consultants myself in my own business I can see their handiwork here. For instance, note that these are all " 40k players", not general wargamers, although of course the article does mention the history of the hobby...
You may have just read the first page, but it actually has a pretty thorough history of wargaming, from 1913, with H.G. Wells’ publication of Little Wars, through to Dungeons and Dragons, to an honest accounting of the roots of Warhammer; "...Warhammer Fantasy Battle, which came out in 1983, borrowed from D&D’s Tolkien-esque imagery'.
But yes, this article would be part of GW's SEO strategy (Search Engine Optimization). The goal is to to link back to the site to build "link juice" (yeah, it's a technical term  ). This is the new standard way to get people and search engines to bring your website up in the highest position when people are doing searches on Google or Yahoo. Writers are hired to create these articles.
In short, Warmachine needs to spend some money if they want this sort of attention.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 16:07:27
Subject: Re:Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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Uhlan wrote:I understand why some might think this article offers "good Press", but to me there is a distinct undertone equating tabletop wargaming with warmongering here.
I don't know if this is the intention of the author, but the way it's broken down comes across as if military personnel can't get enough violence in the real world, they try to get it with little men on the tabletop.
I don't think I'm jumping to conclusions, does anyone else see this?
No, I don't see it at all. What I see is based off of the quote from the article here:
After World War II, U.S. Navy Adm. Chester W. Nimitz credited gaming for helping the Allies prepare. “The war with Japan had been re-enacted in the game rooms here by so many people and in so many different ways,” he said, “that nothing that happened during the war was a surprise—absolutely nothing except the kamikaze tactics towards the end of the war; we had not visualized those.”
Being in the military myself, I know that the employment of Wargames is not to be a "warmonger" at all. Instead it is to ensure that when we are called up to the lines to do our job that we know what the heck we are supposed to be doing. It's like practice for a sports team, essential so that when gametime comes you perform.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 16:25:10
Subject: Re:Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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Colfax wrote:Games Workshop’s U.S.-based outreach manager estimates that 20 to 25 percent of Games Workshop’s American customers are active members of the military
Where did that number come from? Does the GW shops right next to the few bases around the states actually make up that large of sales?
Good article none the less.
I don't think so. The shop I game at is an independent dealer. So, I think its more or less just general sales. I don't think they took independent dealers into account. I haven't come accross many GW shops around, bases.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 16:30:08
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Kiryu Mk 3 wrote: Colfax wrote:Games Workshop’s U.S.-based outreach manager estimates that 20 to 25 percent of Games Workshop’s American customers are active members of the military
Where did that number come from? Does the GW shops right next to the few bases around the states actually make up that large of sales?
Good article none the less.
I don't think so. The shop I game at is an independent dealer. So, I think its more or less just general sales. I don't think they took independent dealers into account. I haven't come accross many GW shops around, bases.
A significant number of patrons at any gaming store near a base will be military, regardless of the store's owner. Wargamers have a higher percentage obviously, but there's also a noticable presence in TCGs and RPGs. If they're not active, they're retired/former service/veterans/etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 17:27:37
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They used 40k wikia as source. I am dissapoint.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 17:28:09
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Well this is kind of neat. I do agree that Slate usually digs a little deeper, though. It would be nice if they spent a little more time talking about how it helped vets cope and a little less of what is sort of little more than an advertisement.
In any case, I think this line was the most interesting:
The game is essentially Risk but with Dark Eldar and Chaos Daemons. “It’s like playing chess with toy soldiers and using a textbook for rules,” says former Marine Samuel Corum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 17:30:58
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Posted this in the news but I guess that doesn't count.
I'm one of the Veterans interview in the story. (Corum)
When I was interviewed it really seemed like the writer was genuinely interested in learning about the hobby and didn't have any condescending preconceptions about the community. Being in the journalism community as well (photographer) it was really nice to talk to him without feeling like I needed to be defensive about my hobby.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 17:34:05
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That's pretty freaking sweet, Killian.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 17:42:33
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Killian wrote:Posted this in the news but I guess that doesn't count.
I'm one of the Veterans interview in the story. (Corum)
When I was interviewed it really seemed like the writer was genuinely interested in learning about the hobby and didn't have any condescending preconceptions about the community. Being in the journalism community as well (photographer) it was really nice to talk to him without feeling like I needed to be defensive about my hobby.
That's great  I was curious about who it was, since they gave you a great text link to your site.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 17:59:57
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Colfax wrote:Games Workshop’s U.S.-based outreach manager estimates that 20 to 25 percent of Games Workshop’s American customers are active members of the military
Where did that number come from? Does the GW shops right next to the few bases around the states actually make up that large of sales?
Good article none the less.
Is outreach manager GW speak for mail order supervisor?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 23:52:44
Subject: Article on popularity of 40K among U.S. servicemen
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Terminator with Assault Cannon
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Great read! I didn't get back into 40k until after my latest deployment. But I played hours and hours of Risk.
Good article, fluff piece or not. It showed the hobby, and the military in a positive light.
Oh, and +1 to being in the service and a 40K gamer.
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JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking. = Epic First Post.
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