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I have reduced my reading of these forums immensely due to the ridiculousness of the discussions. But it has left wondering, do people actually play the game this way? Vehicles can fire gun emplacements, space marines have no "actual" eyes, therefore draw no line of fire, Orks are too unpredictable to be competitive, etc. Has everyone forgotten that this is a game? No one's livelihood rests on 40k, if you are spending your money on this to the exclusion of necessities, that's your problem.

Seriously, everyone take a big step back and look at the big picture: it's a game.

Welcome to the internet!

I'm ignoring the forum/internet side of it an focusing purely on the table top game... and my answer is YES.

I approach all games from a "im here to have fun" point of view.. i wouldnt mind seeing my entire wolf guard get wipped out, hell its happened to one battle cannon shot. ive seen thrown dice, shouting matches, heated arguments, fist fights, shoving matches, crying and carrying on.. and that was over a three day tournament, admitidly tournaments arent the best environments because there is competiton/prizes involved but still, c'mon people, it is a game

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
I have reduced my reading of these forums immensely due to the ridiculousness of the discussions. But it has left wondering, do people actually play the game this way? Vehicles can fire gun emplacements, space marines have no "actual" eyes, therefore draw no line of fire, Orks are too unpredictable to be competitive, etc. Has everyone forgotten that this is a game? No one's livelihood rests on 40k, if you are spending your money on this to the exclusion of necessities, that's your problem.

Seriously, everyone take a big step back and look at the big picture: it's a game.

Space marines have no eyes? WTF where'd you here that? And how the- vehicles firing gun emplacements? Why the heck would the need to?

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:No one's livelihood rests on 40k

That's not, strictly speaking, true. If you have an emotional attachment to something about 40k, then, of course, you're going to get rather emotional about things.

Plus, if people get irrationally angry about road construction or bad weather, then they certainly can get upset about things in 40k.

 Decio wrote:
Space marines have no eyes? WTF where'd you here that?

It's true. Unless you model them with bare heads the model has no eyes. Fluff-wise it probably has eyes underneath it, but the 5th edition LOS rules said to draw it from the model's eyes, and a helmeted model doesn't have eyes. I don't know if this is still true in 6th, but it doesn't really matter. Nobody ever played it that way, so it was just one of those things people liked to talk about in forum arguments about how broken the rules are.

The only real time I've seen/heard/read 40k being taken "too far" is when this one dude cut himself and put some of his blood in the paint he was using to paint some Khorne models with, and some of his goo (lmfao at this word being censored to goo) in another paint to paint some Slaaneshi models with.

I'm pretty sure he/she/it posts on dakka

 Peregrine wrote:

 Decio wrote:
Space marines have no eyes? WTF where'd you here that?

It's true. Unless you model them with bare heads the model has no eyes. Fluff-wise it probably has eyes underneath it, but the 5th edition LOS rules said to draw it from the model's eyes, and a helmeted model doesn't have eyes. I don't know if this is still true in 6th, but it doesn't really matter. Nobody ever played it that way, so it was just one of those things people liked to talk about in forum arguments about how broken the rules are.

The are you guys even talking about?

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard

 Peregrine wrote:

 Decio wrote:
Space marines have no eyes? WTF where'd you here that?

It's true. Unless you model them with bare heads the model has no eyes. Fluff-wise it probably has eyes underneath it, but the 5th edition LOS rules said to draw it from the model's eyes, and a helmeted model doesn't have eyes. I don't know if this is still true in 6th, but it doesn't really matter. Nobody ever played it that way, so it was just one of those things people liked to talk about in forum arguments about how broken the rules are.

How much of an idiot do you have to be to actually think that a model wearing a helmet with very obvious optical ports has no eyes.....

To the Op, I thought that this thread meant taking 40k too seriously.. as in spending rediculous amounts of money on the hobby, writing hours worth of fan fiction or an equal amount of time enjoying fiction, modeling, painting, converting, and then ultimately playing.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
No one's livelihood rests on 40k.

What about someone who owns a GW store?
Im sure their's does
but in all seriousness, Taking the game serious is fun sometimes.

TBH I've never had people act like this in real life but on the internet.....well unless you have fun the right way and remember that man dollies are serious business your gonna have abad time -.-

 Vladsimpaler wrote:
The only real time I've seen/heard/read 40k being taken "too far" is when this one dude cut himself and put some of his blood in the paint he was using to paint some Khorne models with, and some of his goo (lmfao at this word being censored to goo) in another paint to paint some Slaaneshi models with.

I'm pretty sure he/she/it posts on dakka

What the ?

I've seen people throw down and break Forgeworld models when they lost, and then throw a hissy and walk out, leaving their army behind, never to return.

I've also seen one ugly incident where a player decided the other guy was cheating (and to be fair, he probably was.. he had a rep for it) and try to garotte him with a tape measure. The guy was a little unbalanced anyway, and i guess the cheater just pushed him that one step too far. The cops had to drag him away.

People take this game seriously too seriously.

Sure, it takes a lot of time and money. If someone was to trash my Orks they would be in for a world of hurt, but attempted murder or painting with ones bodily fluids is a touch much

 Ascalam wrote:
painting with ones bodily fluids is a touch much

"I really like painting."
"Yeah, but dude, it's-"
"No. I really like painting."

 DemetriDominov wrote:
How much of an idiot do you have to be to actually think that a model wearing a helmet with very obvious optical ports has no eyes.....

Optical ports are not eyes.

I find that the sillier RAW arguments are usually either made to prove a point (presenting a silly argument to illustrate the flaws in a particular line of reasoning, generally) or just something to discuss for the sake of discussion.

Of course, exactly where to draw the line is different for everyone. To return to a recent topical example, when the Drop Pod was introduced as an actual vehicle back in 4th edition, there was some debate as to whether the pod being Immobile meant that it counted as having suffered an Immobilised result on the damage table. One side of the fence said 'Yes, of course it does' and the other side said 'You're a pack of stinking cheaters, there is no way that GW intended for the Drop Pod to hand automatic Victory Points to your opponent just by landing on the table. That's just stupid...'


... and then GW ruled that, uh, actually, yes, that's exactly what we intended...


We've seen something very similar going on with the discussion over whether or not the Pod should automatically lose a Hull Point on landing in 6th edition, with the same sort of polarisation between those who see it as a clear extension of the rules, and those who feel that this is just twisting the rules.

Silly RAW, and taking things too far... or just a difference of opinion as to what the rules say? It's all down to your perspective.


Yes, people get personally invested in this sort of thing. Is that really surprising? I've been playing 40K for nearly 20 years now. It would be more surprising if I didn't feel some sort of emotional investment in the game after all that time. People put a lot of themselves into their hobbies, and yes, they sometimes take them very seriously.

It's just a game. But it's a game that a lot of people put a lot of time, effort and money into.

I am content in stating that, although generally laid back and not interested tourney play, that if some of the arguments that crop up in ymdc were put to me in real life, the person would receive my fist, propelled with all the force my 300lb 6'5" framework could muster, right in the balls.

The nasty, squirmy rules lawyering element that populate this game who seem happy pushing things beyond breaking point when a simple application of logic would do, really gets my goat.

I'm lucky to have a large gaming group, including many guys I've known for years, but be warned, if you are this sort of player and we get involved in a pick up game? Be prepared to leave with a swollen scrotum.

 azreal13 wrote:
I am content in stating that, although generally laid back and not interested tourney play, that if some of the arguments that crop up in ymdc were put to me in real life, the person would receive my fist, propelled with all the force my 300lb 6'5" framework could muster, right in the balls.

The nasty, squirmy rules lawyering element that populate this game who seem happy pushing things beyond breaking point when a simple application of logic would do, really gets my goat.

I'm lucky to have a large gaming group, including many guys I've known for years, but be warned, if you are this sort of player and we get involved in a pick up game? Be prepared to leave with a swollen scrotum.

I like how you think

 azreal13 wrote:
I'm lucky to have a large gaming group, including many guys I've known for years, but be warned, if you are this sort of player and we get involved in a pick up game? Be prepared to leave with a swollen scrotum.

And hey, at least you won't have to worry about dealing rules lawyers while you're serving your time in prison and then working a minimum wage job where you can't afford 40k because you have a violent criminal conviction on your record and no better employer will hire you.

Good god.

You think I was serious?!

My post was 'exaggerating for comic effect'

Look it up. Its a thing.

Some people just take everything waaay too seriously.

 azreal13 wrote:
Some people just take everything waaay too seriously.

Where the infamous 'internet tough guy' routine is concerned, you'll find that most people really don't. Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.

 Nungunz wrote:
Welcome to the internet!

Quoted for truth. No elaboration needed!

I've acually mixed my blood with my paint, then again it was only so it didn't get all over my dorm room after I stabbed myself opening a box of samurai last week. Still need to explain to my professor why there's a bloody fingerprint on my syllabus. Worth it though, those samurai are nice.

 insaniak wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Some people just take everything waaay too seriously.

Where the infamous 'internet tough guy' routine is concerned, you'll find that most people really don't. Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.

If I'd been seriously threatening violence I'd have gone for the face. Balls are funnier.

I tend to be pretty careless with my modelling knife, so I get blood from small cuts on my thumb on my minis pretty regularly. It's only incidental that I play Khorne as well

When it comes to online rules discussions, I'll usually argue for RAW where possible, even if it has an absurd result. But in an actual game, I'll rarely care; the whole point of those sorts of online discussions for me is so that I can be aware of how the rules interact. It makes things easier when dealing with players who do take RAW to the extreme in actual games.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Decio wrote:
Space marines have no eyes? WTF where'd you here that?

It's true. Unless you model them with bare heads the model has no eyes. Fluff-wise it probably has eyes underneath it, but the 5th edition LOS rules said to draw it from the model's eyes, and a helmeted model doesn't have eyes. I don't know if this is still true in 6th, but it doesn't really matter. Nobody ever played it that way, so it was just one of those things people liked to talk about in forum arguments about how broken the rules are.

6th edition BRB page 8, top right column in bold. Still need eyes....

Yes, there are players that will try to play this way. There's a whole section dedicated to RAI/RAW here on Dakka. Some of the debates are really funny(i.e. FMC still getting "hard to hit" after crashing). If I come across TFG. I just don't play them, even in a tourney I don't care... It is a just a game and some what to stretch the rules more than I need to win.

I wouldn't play Devil's Advocate with 40k's rules so much, if GW didn't make it so god damn easy.

 Peregrine wrote:

 DemetriDominov wrote:
How much of an idiot do you have to be to actually think that a model wearing a helmet with very obvious optical ports has no eyes.....

Optical ports are not eyes.

Neither is plastic molded into the shape of eyes. It's just plastic.

djones520 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 DemetriDominov wrote:
How much of an idiot do you have to be to actually think that a model wearing a helmet with very obvious optical ports has no eyes.....

Optical ports are not eyes.

Neither is plastic molded into the shape of eyes. It's just plastic.

But then, what really constitutes an 'eye' in the first place? I think it's about time we got epistomological in here.

I think anything can be taken to far if your not careful. I remember when grand theft auto 4 came out me and my budy played that game none stop for days. Went to the super market for some grocers and saw a sweet looking car. My first thought was "sweet I'm taken that" then I realized I wasn't playing the game. Had a very weird video game/ real world confusion for a split second. After that I took a break from GTA for a week. To much of anything can be bad for you. Moderation kids.

"And now you know and knowing is half the battle"