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hello as most of you know forge world has released Angron, my friend got really excited and is going to buy the miniature and he thinks you can field him in a normal battle, i have no clue whether he can do this. can he ?

Can he?

Well nothing is stopping you and your friend from doing anything you want to do if you both agree to it.

Custom terrain rules? Sure.

Unique scenario? Why not?

Odd sized table? If you like.

Homegrown character/unit? IF you both allow it.


The game is what you and your opponent decide that it is and what you make of it. IF you are curious about seeing the model in action, or want to try to beat it then go for it. What is the worst that could happen?

Does he have a 40k approved stamp?

Are his rules compatable with 6th edition?(IE: you don't need to use any special scenerio from FW to make him work)

If either answer is yes and your opponent is ok with FW then go for it.

By the letter of the rules no. In the Horus Heresy book there is a new class slot on the FOC called Primarch, and that's where he comes in. He is not a HQ. So in a normal FOC there's no slot that can take him.

Isn't Angron a Gargantuan Critter?
If so I'd say no, unless you all make some special rules.

Primarchs are probably their own unit type.

He isn't a gargantuan creature(yet)

We're talking about Heresy era Angron. Not Daemon Primarch Angron

No by rules you can't field him its like trying to field a fantasy model in a 40k game. the HH book is a seperate line of rules and models, it not an expansion to the 40k game. As far as I know but you still need to use the 6ed rules book for it.

It is listed as an expansion, like usual....

The HH series from FW is a standalone expansion meant to be played amongst its own army lists. As well the FOC slot which Angron occupies does not exist in regular 40k.

However, if you and your co-players are ok with it, then call him a 400 pt HQ and have a nice day.

well if you think when angron existed then you know why he can't be 40k

He was a super human from birth to 30k and from 30k - 40k he is a huge demon.

 Lightcavalier wrote:
The HH series from FW is a standalone expansion meant to be played amongst its own army lists. As well the FOC slot which Angron occupies does not exist in regular 40k.

However, if you and your co-players are ok with it, then call him a 400 pt HQ and have a nice day.

Not according to FW, actually. You CAN play it against "normal " armies just fine- however certain armies (loganwing / draigowing) really struggle

 Marthike wrote:
well if you think when angron existed then you know why he can't be 40k

He was a super human from birth to 30k and from 30k - 40k he is a huge demon.

Wait... what?
People play pre-heresy themed armies all the time.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 Marthike wrote:
well if you think when angron existed then you know why he can't be 40k

He was a super human from birth to 30k and from 30k - 40k he is a huge demon.

Wait... what?
People play pre-heresy themed armies all the time.

Beat me to it bro

So does no one know then?

You'd have to have permission from your opponent.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Lightcavalier wrote:
The HH series from FW is a standalone expansion meant to be played amongst its own army lists. As well the FOC slot which Angron occupies does not exist in regular 40k.

However, if you and your co-players are ok with it, then call him a 400 pt HQ and have a nice day.

Not according to FW, actually. You CAN play it against "normal " armies just fine- however certain armies (loganwing / draigowing) really struggle

Except you would be playing almost a different game. The biggest issue being the FOC difference.

I like crazy rules and such, so I would welcome Angron's inclusion in a normal game.

In a random pick-up game or in a tourney, no you couldn't. But nothing's stopping you and your friend from using him and seeing what happens. One of my friends is getting him and I want to see how long it takes my Eldar to kill him!

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
So does no one know then?

The answer is, you and your opponent must agree to play with a new kind of FoC that includes a Primarch slot.

If your opponents army can't take a Primarch they should have some equivilent advantage. Such as a couple extra FoC slots of their choice.

 Lightcavalier wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Lightcavalier wrote:
The HH series from FW is a standalone expansion meant to be played amongst its own army lists. As well the FOC slot which Angron occupies does not exist in regular 40k.

However, if you and your co-players are ok with it, then call him a 400 pt HQ and have a nice day.

Not according to FW, actually. You CAN play it against "normal " armies just fine- however certain armies (loganwing / draigowing) really struggle

Except you would be playing almost a different game. The biggest issue being the FOC difference.

Not even close - given the Primarch change is the only alteration. You get to include a super heavy if you dont take a primarch

The Legion player would have access to an FOC that looks likes this
Must Take
1 HQ
2 Troop
May take
2 HQ
4 Troop
4 Elite
3 Fast Attack
3 Heavy Support
1 Primarch/Superheavy
1 Fortification

Thats 1 Superheavy/Primarch, 1, Elite, and 1 HQ more than my regular old army would be allowed at the same points level.

The book also has different battle missions and mysterious terrain.
So, in my mind, the only way to make it work is to let a regular 40k army use the FOC of the HH as well as its Scenarios and terrain rules. (thus allowing the Primarch)
Or
Use the Standard FOC, Missions, and Rules, with a Legion army list.
Or
Some mixture of the above.

Can't wait for Russ, 6 rune priests and russ to bring the pain.

 Lightcavalier wrote:
The Legion player would have access to an FOC that looks likes this
Must Take
1 HQ
2 Troop
May take
2 HQ
4 Troop
4 Elite
3 Fast Attack
3 Heavy Support
1 Primarch/Superheavy
1 Fortification

Thats 1 Superheavy/Primarch, 1, Elite, and 1 HQ more than my regular old army would be allowed at the same points level.

So the obvious solution is to give the opposing player one more Elite and HQ slot and also give them a Super Heavy slot.

That`s what I said in my edit.

On a more rulesy note:

Unlike other recent FW publications, Betrayal does not have a block of text stating that this is an additional army list for 40k, nor does it have the (now standard) FW 40k approved stamp on any units. Compare this to the Badab War army lists, and you will notice the difference.

Would I be correct in saying the following?

We have two categories:
- Armies that follow a standard FoC, with each choice on the FoC being composed of unit(s) from the standard army lists. Does not require opponent's consent.
- Any and all units from any lists anywhere, where anything goes with one big "if": as long as both players agree. The "if" is not a restriction, but it's the fun part, where you can try out all kinds of crazy stuff and have fun.


If that is correct, does FW stuff fall into the former or latter category?

Some FW stuff is 40K legal some of it is "when both players agree".
They released an update with lists of what is 40k legal with their 6th ed updates for the imperial armour books IIRC.

 liturgies of blood wrote:
Some FW stuff is 40K legal some of it is "when both players agree".
They released an update with lists of what is 40k legal with their 6th ed updates for the imperial armour books IIRC.

Got it, will check it out.

What army list is your friend using? I assume Chaos Marines. If he just wants to use the model, can't he just use it as a Daemon Prince?

The points cost are not matched between 30k and 40k.....we was looking at this the other day and you would need a multiplier to be applied so that the 30k models could be used.

I cant be bothered to get my book but my local GW store manager was doing some comparisons and they are not "points" similar...i.e. 10 marines all with heavy bolters is 235pts and obviously doesnt stack up with latest codex costs.

I would be cool with you using the model in a pickup game though......

I believe Angron had daemon version rules in a white dwarf a long while ago. Went along with the FW version of the Khorne Greater Deamon I believe.