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Joey wrote:You do if you live in an area that doesn't have many heights
No, you don't. You can injure or kill yourself on a two foot drop, nevermind falling down stairs or walkways.
Joey wrote:You do if you live in an area with few snakes
Irrelevant, all it takes are two snakes to breed a whole house full of snake infestation.
Joey wrote:You do if you live in a dry area.
False. Dry areas can also flash flood, and poor house construction can still lead to water damage even with light rain.
Joey wrote:What?
Agoraphobic = fear of wide open spaces such as the sky.
Joey wrote:You do
No.
Your expectations of reality are unrealistic. Reality is a dangerous place. Being in denial of this does not change this fact.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
I disagree with your views, but not where they come from. I think that's OK. In between the two is the understanding that we come from different cultures, similar but different. I think I may have said this a couple pages ago.
BTW is it any coincidence that Matty is in California and all of a sudden there's a dismembered body in Hollywood?
Oh I saw that on the news yesterday, they found a head in a bag didn't they?!
The news is much more interesting when im stateside!
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
I have to add that as usual i disagree with Joey. He seems to be basing his single minded stereotypical views off an episode of the Beverly hill billies.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
d-usa wrote:Let me just paraphrase Joey and all his future responses:
"I think guns are bad and I am right. Everybody who thinks they need to own a gun is wrong, crazy, and/or irrational. If I repeat this often enough it will be true."
Don't forget "I can kick a mountain lion's ass, naked, with just my bare hands."
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I have to add that as usual i disagree with Joey. He seems to be basing his single minded stereotypical views off an episode of the Beverly hill billies.
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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
AustonT wrote:they found the hands and feet as of this morning and had cadaver dogs looking around for the rest.
Matty strikes again! Expect a similar string of "incidents" going south all the way to Argentina...
"I don't know about William Wallace but I really do shoot lightning bolts out my eyes and fart fireballs." -Frazzled on the UK's not so secret secret weapon. Yes!
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I was at In N Out for 12 hours at the time of the murder.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
Yeah I am now.. I've just got back from San Diego.
And in n out is easily the best burger I've had in all the years I've had out here .. who do you recommend?
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
mattyrm wrote:Yeah I am now.. I've just got back from San Diego.
And in n out is easily the best burger I've had in all the years I've had out here .. who do you recommend?
Ahh my brother lives in SD, did you visit one of the attractions there or just traveling? My heart was nearly broken when my 7 year old nephew announced he was "over" Legoland.
In N Out does make a great burger, but the secret is in the Spongebread bun. Any place that uses never frozen beef, and spongebread should give you the perfect burger. I was just saying In N Out wasnt 12 hours of good...I don't think there is a burger place that is.
The BEST burgers I've ever had were from Ford's Drive In in Great Falls, MT. But the last time I went there in 2010 it seemed like their business was soon to be gone. Local beef, local produce served by a local co-ed always hired by the owner based on looks and feth affirmative action. If they are still open and you happen through it's worth a try, the real claim to fame is their milkshakes.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
Joey wrote:
I had assumed it was the same in the USA, that outside of crime-ridden ghettos, in the sub-urbs, it was actually pretty safe.
But apparently people on here seem to be so scared of a home invasion that their only option is to arm themselves.
You are indeed correct, IMHO about the area where a person lives. I have never truly lived in a ghetto area, or the "wrong side of the tracks" as it were. I do not live in constant fear of really anything, but I do feel that being prepared for ANY eventuality is better than needing something and not having it. It's the same reason to stock up on water and canned goods, warm clothes and flashlights (torches) with plenty of spare batteries, etc.
Ensis Ferrae wrote:I have never truly lived in a ghetto area, or the "wrong side of the tracks" as it were.
Indeed, neither have I, I should note.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Joey wrote:
I had assumed it was the same in the USA, that outside of crime-ridden ghettos, in the sub-urbs, it was actually pretty safe.
But apparently people on here seem to be so scared of a home invasion that their only option is to arm themselves.
You are indeed correct, IMHO about the area where a person lives. I have never truly lived in a ghetto area, or the "wrong side of the tracks" as it were. I do not live in constant fear of really anything, but I do feel that being prepared for ANY eventuality is better than needing something and not having it. It's the same reason to stock up on water and canned goods, warm clothes and flashlights (torches) with plenty of spare batteries, etc.
You might want to live your life in a constant state of alert...I do not. And I don't want neighbours who do.
Ever thought 40k would be a lot better with bears?
Codex: Bears.
NOW WITH MR BIGGLES AND HIS AMAZING FLYING CONTRAPTION
Joey wrote:You might want to live your life in a constant state of alert
Noone said anything about that but you.
And for the record, not being alert and attentive is FAR more dangerous than the presence or absence of a gun.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Melissia wrote:And for the record, not being alert and attentive is FAR more dangerous than the presence or absence of a gun.
...why?
Because criminals have some special words for unattentive people.
S U C K E R S and V I C T I M S
The first thing they teach someone in self defense classes for women is to be alert and attentive at all times because criminals prefer to go after those who are neither, they're easy pickings. An unattentive person is just a victim waiting to happen.
As an aside, you probably should run anti-virus if you really hold the opinion that you shouldn't be alert and attentive. Because you probably have tons of viruses on your computer as you're a sucker and fall for all the tricks.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Melissia wrote:And for the record, not being alert and attentive is FAR more dangerous than the presence or absence of a gun.
...why?
Because criminals have a word for unattentive people.
S U C K E R S and V I C T I M S
The first thing they teach someone in self defense classes for women is to be alert and attentive at all times because criminals prefer to go after those who are neither, they're easy pickings.
Right. You're a woman, and pretty insecure by the sounds of it. I'm not.
Any criminal is welcome to try what they like with me, I don't need a gun to teach some smackhead a lesson.
Also when you say "criminal" you mean "addicts looking for a fix". Professional criminals don't wander around looking for people to mug.
Ever thought 40k would be a lot better with bears?
Codex: Bears.
NOW WITH MR BIGGLES AND HIS AMAZING FLYING CONTRAPTION
She thinks you're a sucker (overconfident), you think she's insecure (overcautious). These are not necessarily unreasonable opinions*, but it'd be nice if you both tried to keep them polite. Or didn't trouble responding to one another.
*Actually in some ways almost inevitable; we're all more or less cautious in general, and we all probably think our own position is the most rational way to be. It's like George Carlin's routine about speeding. Anyone driving slower that you is an ***hole, anyone driving faster than you is a maniac.
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That's cool. Send em my way. Rather have people around me who don't have their heads buried in the sand so deep they can tell me the exact composition of earth`s core.
You might want to live your life in a constant state of alert...I do not.
So...Don't. Makes no difference to me if the first indication you have that a situation has begun is a brick to the base of the skull, have a blast. Myself, I would prefer to at least have a cursory awareness of whats up, find it helps out in a lot of settings beyond possible self preservation too. Just avoid wal-marts, where you want to be deaf and blind.
Unemployment, disease, relationships. None of these are helped by a gun.
Unemployment? Are you kidding me? Well, I am out of a job and broke, so I could go down to the local supermarket and pay dollars per pound of meat, or take 10 cents to a couple bucks worth of ammo and go shoot a deer/elk/hog/what have you and bring back 50-to-several hundred pounds of meat for the freezer.
Disease? Well, won't cure it...but range time sure makes me forget i'm sick/my joints ache/I took an arrow to the knee/I have ebola death aids and stigmata (or pinkeye.)
Relationships? What? Shooting sports can help a great deal. Started a few too. Can also be used as a litmus test during courtship.
Joey wrote:
Right. You're a woman, and pretty insecure by the sounds of it. I'm not.
Any criminal is welcome to try what they like with me, I don't need a gun to teach some smackhead a lesson.
Also when you say "criminal" you mean "addicts looking for a fix". Professional criminals don't wander around looking for people to mug.
So, basically anyone who prefers to be alert and attentive to their surroundings is now an insecure woman... Well I guess I am now an insecure woman because I definitely pay attention to the crap that goes on around me. I prefer to see the bank robber walk into the bank BEFORE he starts yelling to get down (or whatever he/she does to rob a bank), rather than be utterly surprised when someone starts yelling or what have you.
Maybe it's my time and training in the army that sets me apart from some others here, but walking around life oblivious to surroundings as you seem to suggest is just begging to make YOU a victim of a crime. If you (a person in general) can see something that isn't right headed your way, you have more time to prepare and react, even if that is only a few seconds or minutes.
With all that said, at least for many of us Americans, owning a firearm is simply one more tool in the shed of means to respond to a given situation, should the need arise. A few pages back, I posted the news story of the woman in Oklahoma who shot and killed a man breaking into her home. There were actually two men who were breaking in, and I am fairly confident that things would have been much worse for her and her children had she not had any firearms in the house. According to the story, her husband had recently died of cancer (and apparently it was known that there were certain pain/cancer drugs still in the home as it was only a week or so since he had died), and so these two guys were "addicts looking for a fix" (as you put it). Obviously the police would not have been there in time to stop any further crime and a B/E and maybe robbery, but if they had decided to rape or murder her? No guns would mean a much worse story on the news. Do you think that she ever in her mind stored those guns in her house "knowing" that they would be needed? They probably owned them the same way that I own a spare tire for my truck, or my 40k armies; That is to say they owned it as a just-in-case tool, or her husband had shooting as one of his hobbies.
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Joey wrote:Right. You're a woman, and pretty insecure by the sounds of it. I'm not.
Any criminal is welcome to try what they like with me, I don't need a gun to teach some smackhead a lesson.
Also when you say "criminal" you mean "addicts looking for a fix". Professional criminals don't wander around looking for people to mug.
Wait a minute. How are you going to punch out a puma if you're not constantly alert to the potentiality of their presence?
Obviously do have some fear of that happening. And it sucks to live that way.
We will have to agree to disagree. I feel no fear, neither in the US or the UK, and ive lived in both.
Maybe one day I will get raped and I will walk around in perpetual fear, but until that time, im dandy. It's statistically unlikely that I will be attacked at gunpoint If I dont do stupid gak. There will always be easier marks than me to pick on, so no, there aint no fear here. Im a pretty arrogant and confident bloke, im convicned nobody will look at me and think "target" so I walk around safe in the knowledge that because im not an idiot I wont be a target, statistics (getting attacked by strangers at gun point in civilian settings is rare)and common sense tells me ive got no reason to be afraid. ( a thug will pick on someone older slower, fatter and stupider)
If you lot want to justify your argument by basically boiling it down to "you must be gaking yourself all the time then!" and that's good enough for you, your welcome to it, but its a laughable thing to say. Basically, its a gak argument and Im convicned that you all know it.
If you carry a gun your nearly 5 times more likely to get shot. And I didnt need to google it to work that one out, because its common sense.
If you have a gun your more likely to get involved when you dont need to. (witness a guy pull a gun on another guy outside Ralphs, and get involved even though you dont know gak about the situation) In that case, I simply briskly walk in the other direction. = Your more likely to get shot than me.
If you hesitate, your more likely to get shot. Normal humans who havent shot people before sometimes do. They are convinced they are a tough guy till it actually happens and your staring into someones eyes and your going to splatter them across the sidewalk, you can hesistate and wind up getting slotted. = Your more likely to get slotted.
A mugger stops me in an alley and asks for my wallet, im not carrying. I give him it hold my hands up and say "relax, stay calm" 99 times out of 100 he hot foots it with his loot. If your carrying a gun yourself, you might think your a tough guy and go for it, win or lose = Your more likely to get shot than me.
An unarmed burglar is in your house, but you have a gun in your dresser and he finds it and picks it up in a panic because you interrupt him halfway through. = Your more likely to get shot than me.
I could give 100 gak incidents but im not going to bore you, the fact remains the same. If there are guns around, you are more likely to get shot.
With their gun, with your gun, with a gun they found in a dumpster, it makes not a jot of difference. Having guns all over the place increasaes your likelyhood of getting shot.
And in reply to SOFDC, I am NOT arguing for total disarmament! I said ten pages ago that it is impossible. Your stuck with them. And being a green beret, I like guns, and I have no issue with owning them. My argument is very simply boiled down to two points.
1. I am far less likely to get shot in the UK than the US and this is a good thing.
2. People in nations like France and the UK dont walk the streets in perpetual fear, and I would argue that clearly it is more frightening for a citizen in the US because you are far more likely to bump into an irate individual armed with a firearm during your lifetime.
Those two points are what you are all arguing against with me, not total disarmament, because only a moron would advocate attempting to carry out an impossible task. Im not saying that, im merely saying that on this topic, the Europeans are way better off than the Americans, and if you can argue that with a straight face your delluding yourself because you really really really like guns.
There is no need for it, because nobody is going to take your guns off you anyway.
So rather than get all messy, lets just the numerous people disagreeing with me answer this simple question with one word, just so I can see who can actually reason and be honest, and who is fully delluding themselves.
You are more likely to die via gunfire in the US than the UK - Yes/No
Getting shot really ruins your day - Yes/No
Completely agree with this post.
To be fair, I think Melissa and Joey are arguing at cross purposes. It makes far more sense to have a gun in your house for self protection in the US, simply because guns are so much more commonplace and there is every chance the hoody climbing in through the window is carrying one as well. In the UK, unless you are involved in something you shouldn't be, this is very unlikely.
I don't think I could ever get my head around people walking around with guns in the open though, you would expect it in the Wild West or in Baghdad, but not a modern and affluent part of the Western world.
you would expect it in the Wild West or in Baghdad, but not a modern and affluent part of the Western world.
Judging by talking to people who immigrated from the UK to here, it wasn't THAT long ago that a pistol was something an english gentleman wouldn't leave behind.
It truly did surprise me at how rapidly the UK went from a gun ownership culture that rivalled the USA`s (And in some ways much better.) to the state it is in now.
...But I suppose it gives me a very good look at what some want here, along with an incentive to work harder.
mattyrm wrote:Wasn't me mate .. I've got a cast iron alibi.
I was in the toilet for 12 hours after visiting In N Out at the time of the murder.
Corrected your typo
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mattyrm wrote:Yeah I am now.. I've just got back from San Diego.
And in n out is easily the best burger I've had in all the years I've had out here .. who do you recommend?
You're aware of the secret menu right? If not check it out.
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Joey wrote:
Melissia wrote:
Joey wrote:You might want to live your life in a constant state of alert
Noone said anything about that but you.
And for the record, not being alert and attentive is FAR more dangerous than the presence or absence of a gun.
...why?
What is there to be afraid of?
Unemployment, disease, relationships. None of these are helped by a gun.
See once again you're wrong. You must be tired from wrestling mountain lions.
Unemployment issues are often eased by a quick run to the bank, or a string of banks.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
streamdragon wrote:Wait... is someone actually arguing that the only reason I own my guns is that I'm "in a constant state of alert"?
Yes, and that you live in fear. FEAR I TELLS YA!!!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
