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In the Andy Chambers interview Kroothawk linked to in general, he mentions the desperate need for a gateway 40K game (I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist) If he can see the need, and is talking about it publicly, I'm sure GW are at least conscious of the gap, even if they aren't working on a way of filling it right now.

All things considered, while the details might vary, I think this is a case of when, rather than if.

I dunno how much of a factor that causes. GW might very well do the exact opposite just to spite Chambers.

 azreal13 wrote:
In the Andy Chambers interview Kroothawk linked to in general, he mentions the desperate need for a gateway 40K game (I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist) If he can see the need, and is talking about it publicly, I'm sure GW are at least conscious of the gap, even if they aren't working on a way of filling it right now.

I think, for 10 years, everyone except Tom Kirby sees the need.

The thing is, will this new thing be a tournament game or a "casual" game. A large part of WM/WH and the new game by Mantic is that they are tournament oriented.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
In the Andy Chambers interview Kroothawk linked to in general, he mentions the desperate need for a gateway 40K game (I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist) If he can see the need, and is talking about it publicly, I'm sure GW are at least conscious of the gap, even if they aren't working on a way of filling it right now.

I think, for 10 years, everyone except Tom Kirby sees the need.

Lol, granted.

I suspect this is below Kirby's pay grade though (although he is, I'm sure, responsible for the culture that means an opportunity like this goes begging, rather than someone risk saying something "controversial")

I'm just joining the dots between the reports that Jervis was doing "something odd" at Games Day UK and the fact that, given he says he still says in touch with some fairly senior studio figures, that mentioning this may indicate it is near the front of his consciousness for some reason.

Tenuous I know, but it might hold water.

 chris_valera wrote:


Warseer are idiots, even GW staff hate them. They came down hard on the poster who suggested Tyranids were getting a big beatie that was bigger than a Carnifex.

You're not a real GW forum poster unless you've been banned from Warseer half a dozen times.

I was just poking fun of them for essentially playing favorites with rumormongers and closing threads because of it. They're free to run their site however they like, though, it doesn't really bother me and it's certainly not worth getting upset about.

 Alpharius wrote:
Let's not slag off other forums, OK?

Also, as much as I want this game to be a reality, it doesn't look likely for this year.

I'm just hoping that it is still in the works and shows up in 2014.

It is just about the only ting that GW's even hinted at doing in the last 5 years that's had me anticipating its release...

The feeling is mutual. I want to play games set in the 40k universe, but I'm just not inclined to start full armies any longer, for a number of reasons.

I still have hope for a november release, since zhangei, seems to be a pretty reliable rumour monger. At worst , I expect a february release, since 40k radio didn't say what was getting released that month, and they seem to be pretty close to GW, and they probably don't want this to leak .

I thought all that Jervis was doing at Games Day was doing an 'Game Design for Dummies' style lesson to people that'd turn up to chat to him.

 Compel wrote:
I thought all that Jervis was doing at Games Day was doing an 'Game Design for Dummies' style lesson to people that'd turn up to chat to him.

That's what he was doing, but the amateur detective in me wonders "where" that odd little demo thing he was supposed to be doing came from?

 Starfarer wrote:
I want to play games set in the 40k universe, but I'm just not inclined to start full armies any longer, for a number of reasons.

That's what the 40K RPGs are for.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
I want to play games set in the 40k universe, but I'm just not inclined to start full armies any longer, for a number of reasons.

That's what the 40K RPGs are for.

Or Deadzone even.. sure you could work in proxies of Marines->Enforcers and Orks->Plague extremely easily, it would even fit with the fighting taking place on a hive or factory world with regards to terrain.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
I want to play games set in the 40k universe, but I'm just not inclined to start full armies any longer, for a number of reasons.

That's what the 40K RPGs are for.

I'm not an RPG guy. I want a tabletop game, just smaller scale. If they don't make one, I can stick to Necromunda, but I'd prefer something more up to date, as would just about everyone who has commented here it seems.

 Pacific wrote:

Or Deadzone even.. sure you could work in proxies of Marines->Enforcers and Orks->Plague extremely easily, it would even fit with the fighting taking place on a hive or factory world with regards to terrain.

Deadzone may be great, but I'd sooner just use something like Death Squads if I'm going to use unofficial rules.

 Starfarer wrote:
...but I'd prefer something more up to date, as would just about everyone who has commented here it seems.

Which is precisely why we'll never get that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
...but I'd prefer something more up to date, as would just about everyone who has commented here it seems.

Which is precisely why we'll never get that.

And GW won't get my money in the mean time. I think they do have something in the works though. Or, at least, I'm holding onto the hope that they are!

 azreal13 wrote:

 Compel wrote:
I thought all that Jervis was doing at Games Day was doing an 'Game Design for Dummies' style lesson to people that'd turn up to chat to him.

That's what he was doing, but the amateur detective in me wonders "where" that odd little demo thing he was supposed to be doing came from?

"We're out of ideas so give us yours!"?

xxvaderxx wrote:
The thing is, will this new thing be a tournament game or a "casual" game. A large part of WM/WH and the new game by Mantic is that they are tournament oriented.

Not a chance, GW does not understand the tournament mindset, or ever shown interestin in catering for it.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

xxvaderxx wrote:
The thing is, will this new thing be a tournament game or a "casual" game. A large part of WM/WH and the new game by Mantic is that they are tournament oriented.

Not a chance, GW does not understand the tournament mindset, or ever shown interestin in catering for it.

And that's one of the few things I like about the company these days. Tournament types can claim orienting games towards them doesn't affect other styles of play, "tighter rules are better for everyone" etc, but that's not been my experience and since almost all the alternative systems that have been springing up recently have taken such a tack I'd rather GW stuck to focusing on narrative(and modelling, but that's become a bit limited as well these days with their "why convert when you can BUY THIS BUY THIS BUY THIS BUY THIS" routine).

40k Skirmish game Inquisitor

I just passed on a bunch of decently priced SoB and Inquistor models... if I had known about this I would have gone for it. Gutted man

 azreal13 wrote:
In the Andy Chambers interview Kroothawk linked to in general, he mentions the desperate need for a gateway 40K game (I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist) If he can see the need, and is talking about it publicly, I'm sure GW are at least conscious of the gap, even if they aren't working on a way of filling it right now.

All things considered, while the details might vary, I think this is a case of when, rather than if.

I'm not sure about how much the opinions of ex-staffers (even high-level ones like Chambers, or Priestly) have anything to do with their current practice...

I'd say none at all.

The need extends beyond a gateway game to cater for older games who dont always have the time or to paint and play a large army. A smaller skirmish or gang based game plays towards this audience too. I love zone mortalis and space hulk just because I can physically manage to play them enjoyably. Setting up a full 40k game as life and careers take over can be a monumental task on it's own!

Yodhrin wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

xxvaderxx wrote:
The thing is, will this new thing be a tournament game or a "casual" game. A large part of WM/WH and the new game by Mantic is that they are tournament oriented.

Not a chance, GW does not understand the tournament mindset, or ever shown interestin in catering for it.

And that's one of the few things I like about the company these days. Tournament types can claim orienting games towards them doesn't affect other styles of play, "tighter rules are better for everyone" etc, but that's not been my experience and since almost all the alternative systems that have been springing up recently have taken such a tack I'd rather GW stuck to focusing on narrative(and modelling, but that's become a bit limited as well these days with their "why convert when you can BUY THIS BUY THIS BUY THIS BUY THIS" routine).

Except, concepts of 'narrative', 'cinematic' and a tight rule set are not exclusive of each other. Many other games manage it, GW have themselves with some of their games in the past.

The great trick GW seem to have managed to pull, and that many people seem to buy, is that their lazy, 100% sales-at-the-expense-of-everything-else-orientated approach is something that exists as an alternative to having a game that two players can play on an equal footing, regardless of their unit/list composition and whether they are trying to make a 'competitive' or 'fluffy' list.

Azazelx wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
In the Andy Chambers interview Kroothawk linked to in general, he mentions the desperate need for a gateway 40K game (I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist) If he can see the need, and is talking about it publicly, I'm sure GW are at least conscious of the gap, even if they aren't working on a way of filling it right now.

All things considered, while the details might vary, I think this is a case of when, rather than if.

I'm not sure about how much the opinions of ex-staffers (even high-level ones like Chambers, or Priestly) have anything to do with their current practice...

I'm not sure even the current guys have much to do with it, cause I'm sure just like us it is something they would love to do. But, the fact is that everything comes from the sales team, and its been obvious for some (actually, many) years now that small skirmish games that are playable at a low price are not part of the company's strategy.

Given that we got suppliments, rumour has it, at the behest of the creatives, they could have pestered the sales guys into releasing an entry level/skirmish game. Stranger things have happened.

Knockagh wrote:
The need extends beyond a gateway game to cater for older games who dont always have the time or to paint and play a large army. A smaller skirmish or gang based game plays towards this audience too. I love zone mortalis and space hulk just because I can physically manage to play them enjoyably. Setting up a full 40k game as life and careers take over can be a monumental task on it's own!

Indeed, this is an issue for me as I'm sure a lot of other older gamers and I'm glad you pointed it out. Although it is looking less and less likely GW has plans to cater to us in the near future.

With nothing mentioning this in the new WD cover, its dead for Nov, yes?

I think this will be like that old Tau rumour of the 'organic battlesuit'

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
With nothing mentioning this in the new WD cover, its dead for Nov, yes?

The Reasonable Man would say yes. The GW Man is not reasonable.

We got the info on Nov release from someone with access to retailer info on DE (that has proven to be 100% accurate), but then again they did give it a 90% chance of coming out. Could be the game is ready and simply looking for a slot to fit in. GW is not beyond releasing something out of the blue.

Actually, all GW releases come out of the blue.

Dakka posters have the new WD in hand (and are posting all the Dark Elves stuff in their thread)

so I'd say no November release

this leaves us with

a fake rumour

date was wrong (or optimistic)

it was real but so limited they sold out to GW high level staff before it even reached WD. Yes that's right Kirby and friends are playing it now, Inquisition limited edition of about 10 copies....

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

it was real but so limited they sold out to GW high level staff before it even reached WD. Yes that's right Kirby and friends are playing it now, Inquisition limited edition of about 10 copies....

This is obviously the real answer

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Dakka posters have the new WD in hand (and are posting all the Dark Elves stuff in their thread)

so I'd say no November release

this leaves us with

a fake rumour

date was wrong (or optimistic)

it was real but so limited they sold out to GW high level staff before it even reached WD. Yes that's right Kirby and friends are playing it now, Inquisition limited edition of about 10 copies....

With diamond and gold plated models valued at $1000 each. After playing heir first game they realized how good we have I with the low cost of plastic, so another price rise is now in the works. After all the new librarian with the naked baby should easily be $50.

This was but another pipe dream...to bad, maybe someone else will run with all the ideas put out here.