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 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I'm starting to think there be a "Double Standards" on protests here

There are. OWS gets pepper sprayed and treated like criminals whereas this guy is actually a criminal and gets treated like a hero.

Maybe because OWS were criminals? Three reported deaths and four reported rapes arent enough? Not to mention willful destruction of property (both private and public), public indecency, and a whole host of safety and health violations?

And assaulting police officers, refusing to comply with a court order, failing to pay taxes then assaulting and obstructing representatives of the government who come to collect on those unpaid taxes etc. are not against the law?

Relapse wrote:

I am assuming you were also supportive of the police beating up OWS protestors.

In the one incident where I objected to the police response to OWS the protesters were behaving peacefully, not likely armed, and weren't beaten.

In the incidents in which police did strike OWS protesters the protesters were being aggressive, and I fully support the right of police to defend themselves.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

Maybe because OWS were criminals? Three reported deaths and four reported rapes arent enough? Not to mention willful destruction of property (both private and public), public indecency, and a whole host of safety and health violations?

So, is it fair to assume that you only want liberal criminals to be punished? Because Bundy is definitely a criminal, as is the guy that kicked the police dog and charged at a police officer.

Hold one.

The guy kicked the K9 after the command of "Attack" was giving.

1:02 the verbal and visual signal on camera
1:04 the guy kicking the dog.

I'm rooting for Bundy OFL Movement...Occupy Federa Land

 Jihadin wrote:
Hold one.

The guy kicked the K9 after the command of "Attack" was giving.

1:02 the verbal and visual signal on camera
1:04 the guy kicking the dog.

I'm rooting for Bundy OFL Movement...Occupy Federa Land

The signal was given because the gentleman in question was advancing towards the other police officer after repeatedly being told to back down and get away.

Negative. He was the ATV driver and the guy that Tazed him wanted him to move the ATV. Tazed him after the command on the dog was giving.

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0:52 sec he gets off the ATV.

0:30+ I see Margie on ground. Relapse posted the actual throw down.

 Jihadin wrote:
Negative. He was the ATV driver and the guy that Tazed him wanted him to move the ATV. Tazed him after the command on the dog was giving.

My point still stands.

Wait. Your saying he should not have advance to move his ATV or he should have? Or your seeing something different in the film?

 Jihadin wrote:
Wait. Your saying he should not have advance to move his ATV or he should have? Or your seeing something different in the film?

I'm saying from the video, I didn't hear anyone say "move your ATV". I heard "Back away", and subject of tazing not backing away, but rather advancing.

 Jihadin wrote:
Hold one.

The guy kicked the K9 after the command of "Attack" was giving.

1:02 the verbal and visual signal on camera
1:04 the guy kicking the dog.

I'm rooting for Bundy OFL Movement...Occupy Federa Land

I didn't hear the word "attack". I heard the phrase "Get back!" and possibly the command "Bite." but ultimately the protesters are at fault for assaulting police officers, so it doesn't really matter.

Though, given your last sentence, I don't think you really care about that.

 whitedragon wrote:

I'm saying from the video, I didn't hear anyone say "move your ATV". I heard "Back away", and subject of tazing not backing away, but rather advancing.

I don't even know that anyone got tased. No one fell to the ground while convulsing, it may be possible that the the officer merely charged his taser without discharging the prongs, or did not possess a taser capable of discharging prongs.

Simply because a taser is audible does not indicate that a person was tased.

 whitedragon wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Hold one.

The guy kicked the K9 after the command of "Attack" was giving.

1:02 the verbal and visual signal on camera
1:04 the guy kicking the dog.

I'm rooting for Bundy OFL Movement...Occupy Federa Land

The signal was given because the gentleman in question was advancing towards the other police officer after repeatedly being told to back down and get away.

This, after his aunt, I believe, was jumped from behind and slammed into the ground.

He was pumped, he got tazed a couple of times I think and just tore the things out of his chest. You do not screw with family members down there. The men folk are damned protective.

Alrighty then. I stand with what I intepret

Ranger Smithy the one that threw the lady down and wanted the guy to move his ATV. Times giving support it. Also the verbal from the Rangers support what I have giving.

Careful on "ASSUMING" Ouze. Where in the video can you debunk me?

My sister just told me that the Bundy's are having a barbque tonight for all their supporters and half the town where she lives is going.

Well, since the town supports him then why should anybody give a feth if lawful actions against him hurt them?

 d-usa wrote:
Well, since the town supports him then why should anybody give a feth if lawful actions against him hurt them?

The BLM actions put a lot in his corner.

So did paranoia and misinformation.

Relapse wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Well, since the town supports him then why should anybody give a feth if lawful actions against him hurt them?

The BLM actions put a lot in his corner.

Anti-government propaganda and nonsense put most of them there.

Relapse wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Well, since the town supports him then why should anybody give a feth if lawful actions against him hurt them?

The BLM actions put a lot in his corner.

Still doesn't make him any less wrong nor them any more right.

If they support his criminal actions then they can suffer with him. No sympathy here.

I do not think Federal Park Rangers are trained to handle a protest group.

Edit

One Unprofessional Park Ranger
One Chucklehead of a ranger that moved the K9 up and attacked the guy who was being told to move his ATV.

Relapse wrote:
My sister just told me that the Bundy's are having a barbque tonight for all their supporters and half the town where she lives is going.

You should really change your username from "Relapse" to "Anecdote".

That's common in "Country" towns. Hell if I was close I go to because its a BBQ. Though I would keep my distance from the militia members who seem to be itching for someone to engage them first. Still a family atmosphere of a BBQfest is pretty fun.

So ignore criminals as long as they are donkey-caves and are backed up by idiots with guns.

Gotcha.

 Jihadin wrote:
I do not think Federal Park Rangers are trained to handle a protest group.

This isn't a "protest group". This is a bunch of redneck yahoos.

Need to round up a lot of OWS protestors that broke the law to.

BLM also went beyond the court order itself. They were to impound the cattle they rustled up....almost 1 mil on that phase
They were not to sell them out of State
They were not to kill them. One bull and a "iffy" bull
They were not to sell them within State.

I also believe the whoever was in charge of the Park Rangers at the incident needs to get slammed. No one was in charge of the Rangers.
Also the Park Ranger who threw the Lady down and afterwards Tazed the guy those was attacked by the dog on "command" from its Handler needs a a "Few days at the beach" Couple days suspension

Before someone come to defense of the K9 Handler why was not the 2nd team up there as well..no one was in charge at all.

Second time you made the claim that they went beyond the court order, both times without a source.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I do not think Federal Park Rangers are trained to handle a protest group.

This isn't a "protest group". This is a bunch of redneck yahoos.

Yes we know, and the OWS groups you loved so well are the blessing of civilization.


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 Jihadin wrote:
That's common in "Country" towns. Hell if I was close I go to because its a BBQ. Though I would keep my distance from the militia members who seem to be itching for someone to engage them first. Still a family atmosphere of a BBQfest is pretty fun.

Dutch has a proven track record of talking without knowing anything about the subject he speaks of, especially in this case where I have several family members living in Overton.

 d-usa wrote:
Well, since the town supports him then why should anybody give a feth if lawful actions against him hurt them?

I agree... I hope the entire town starves and is destroyed by lack of tourism. They can reap what they sow by supporting a violent, deadbeat criminal and taking up arms and resorting to armed violence to help promote criminal activity and destruction of public land.





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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I do not think Federal Park Rangers are trained to handle a protest group.

This isn't a "protest group". This is a bunch of redneck yahoos.

Armed violent redneck yahoos many of who broke federal law by transporting firearms across state lines for illegal purposes.

nkelsch wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Well, since the town supports him then why should anybody give a feth if lawful actions against him hurt them?

I agree... I hope the entire town starves and is destroyed by lack of tourism. They can reap what they sow by supporting a violent, deadbeat criminal and taking up arms and resorting to armed violence to help promote criminal activity and destruction of public land.





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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I do not think Federal Park Rangers are trained to handle a protest group.

This isn't a "protest group". This is a bunch of redneck yahoos.

Armed violent redneck yahoos many of who broke federal law by transporting firearms across state lines for illegal purposes.

You're just jealous because you didn't get invited to the barbque.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57792018-90/utah-cattle-county-blm.html.csp

Very first sentence there D


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Video showed who the aggressor's were

 Jihadin wrote:
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57792018-90/utah-cattle-county-blm.html.csp

Very first sentence there D


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Video showed who the aggressor's were

I was talking about the BLM's attempt to put our herds at risk by peddling Bundy's cattle in Utah and how it was told to go to hell by our commisioners based off what I had been told, but was informed the information I have is anectdotal. Damn, who would have thought people I know in the middle of things down there saw what was happening?

 Jihadin wrote:
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57792018-90/utah-cattle-county-blm.html.csp

Very first sentence there D

Cattle seized from public land in Nevada were once headed to Richfield for auction — but federal officials have changed their plans after Utah leaders argued the animals would threaten the state’s $1 billion livestock industry.

That's a wonderful explanation about how they violated and went beyond the court order...

So still no source to back up your claim then.