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IIRC, it's actually limited to 5000 copies, not as a pre order run or initial run. It's 5000 only.

If you're right that's going to be really rough and hard to get.

Surely though if the guys has spent all this time trying to build his career and reach the goal of self publishing a book of tutorials then he wouldn't randomly limit how many copies he can sell?

There is a practical limitation in self publishing, especially in first attempts and that is self funding.

5k copies sound not a lot to you, but for the person paying it it is a financial risk.

In your eyes it will sell, but when you pay for it especially as an individual it is a huge investment, my best wishes it will be a great hit and 5k will not last long, but for Angel it is a risk he is not that willing to take and I am glad he is such a grounded guy.

Wasn't Operation: Icestorm also initially limited to 5000 copies before getting another print run? It surpassed expectations, but it still didn't run out immediately.

I'd imagine a more niche book wouldn't sell so quickly especially considering it's being marketed towards elite painting enthusiasts rather than the newcomers/veterans that O:I was.

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It's also noteworthy to know that the Joan of Arc mini is reportedly not strictly a separate sculpt, but a separate pose. All the other details and features will be on the normal-market product.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Wasn't Operation: Icestorm also initially limited to 5000 copies before getting another print run? It surpassed expectations, but it still didn't run out immediately.

I'd imagine a more niche book wouldn't sell so quickly especially considering it's being marketed towards elite painting enthusiasts rather than the newcomers/veterans that O:I was.

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It's also noteworthy to know that the Joan of Arc mini is reportedly not strictly a separate sculpt, but a separate pose. All the other details and features will be on the normal-market product.

The difference was Icestorm was a Corvus Belli funded starter box for their only game. Of course they're going to order more copies to be run if it sells that fast.

Angels book is being entierly funded by himself. He is committing to 5000 copies. After that, it's entirely up to him.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
Wasn't Operation: Icestorm also initially limited to 5000 copies before getting another print run? It surpassed expectations, but it still didn't run out immediately.

I'd imagine a more niche book wouldn't sell so quickly especially considering it's being marketed towards elite painting enthusiasts rather than the newcomers/veterans that O:I was.

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It's also noteworthy to know that the Joan of Arc mini is reportedly not strictly a separate sculpt, but a separate pose. All the other details and features will be on the normal-market product.

The difference was Icestorm was a Corvus Belli funded starter box for their only game. Of course they're going to order more copies to be run if it sells that fast.

Angels book is being entierly funded by himself. He is committing to 5000 copies. After that, it's entirely up to him.

I'm simply stating that the 5000 copies of Angel's book won't sell out as quickly as the original print run of O:I

I've got my doubts there, enough that I'll be pre ordering it as soon as it's available.

Icestorm nearly doubling its print run in pre orders before the pre order phase was over shows there's a real market out there for Infinity products, and Angels book is all unique sculpts. I'm sure a lot of fans will enjoy that aspect of it.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
There is a practical limitation in self publishing, especially in first attempts and that is self funding.

5k copies sound not a lot to you, but for the person paying it it is a financial risk.

In your eyes it will sell, but when you pay for it especially as an individual it is a huge investment, my best wishes it will be a great hit and 5k will not last long, but for Angel it is a risk he is not that willing to take and I am glad he is such a grounded guy.

What I was trying to say was that if he sells 5000 copies in a reasonable amount of time then I don't see why he would say, 'No that's enough, onto some other project and start again.' So, hypothetically, if 5000 copies vanish in pre-order then surely he will use the profit for another tentative and smaller run. I don't think any large number of people are going to be left wishing they could have got a copy before they sold out. I would like to see where he said this though:

 -Loki- wrote:
IIRC, it's actually limited to 5000 copies, not as a pre order run or initial run. It's 5000 only.

I'm very interested because, as I said before, I'm working on something within the same industries and would like to see why he would do this. It's definitely not my gameplan. I'm not saving this money to buy one run and then walk away and start another project. I'm not going to milk it dry either but if people want what you have I'd rather give them it than withhold it and limit my profit at the same time. Who wins in that situation? Not the consumer, the publisher or the business, that's for sure.

Oh yes, if a project goes well it will self fund its continuation, but for now it is a 5k copies only.

That's fair enough and definitely the correct way to do things. I would be surprised if he doesn't need another run of them at least.

 MRPYM wrote:

To continue my rant on the egregious use of rage-fist some more...

Infinity sculpts have previously been so provocative & dynamic that we react to them something like this:


Dont worry, im running out and obediently buying all their new stuff.
However, 3D sculpting better not be making them too lazy...

Agree, I dont mind one or two minis with such a pose....but I like Infinity minis for looking like they are in combat/doing something.

http://thekrug.com/episode-20-bostria-interview/
Some Interview with Carlos.

-"the sisters": I think it's something related to the Kum Bikers, maybe a box of female ones?

-Ninja: the cheap version will be 26 pts with Tactical Bow.
30 point basic ninjas.

new ITS playtested now
maybe vips playing a role in the new missions

"N3 steals power of the TAGs and gives to the fireteams"
He says that "in his personal opinion", aka not an oficial CB spokesperson but a player that has had a chance to try N3, Tags have lost power. If you pay attention to the examples he gives, it often talks about Tags getting entangled in melee. I think tha's what he's referring to here.

"Right now, with Infinity, I don't care about realism. We've already been through that, trying to recreate realistic battle through rules but now we are making the game be a game."

Edit: 20-21 min mark. Destroyable walls officially in. Dependent on the 'type' of building, ie military building with tougher walls etc. Cannot see through destroyed wall section.

T.A.G.s either had already 'lost their power' or never really had it to begin with.

If true, this is sad to see - losing even more of their 'power' is a solution to a problem that didn't actually exist.

Prior to ITS it was a strong option to rush your opponent with more elite model. I can understand why they're making such changes, as it was rather frustrating to face aggressive TAG as a beginner. However I somehow managed to move on, once more objective centric scenarios became more established way of play, TAG simply became almost void entry for some of us. Such is life.

How many fist pumps are we up to now with the new sculpts? Maybe we can make a collage and turn that into a banner?

Fistator is back

T.A.G.s either had already 'lost their power' or never really had it to begin with.

If true, this is sad to see - losing even more of their 'power' is a solution to a problem that didn't actually exist.

I agree:
TAG are more fun than competitive, the only ITS winner with TAG that i've seen was the PanO double TAG list with HGL and cutter kill list,
the first one will be as effectif, but the second is already dead with the nerf of the HMG, I dont see the use for the cutter in N3 right now,
maybe they will drop the cost, but it's not likely

CB hate PanO and just what to ruin them, I'm glad i've started playing Nomads

I play infinity for the TAG not fireteam, fireteam are not fun at all imo, 40k is a better squad game

He's merely using one of the approved meme's to avoid unnecessary injury or death!

 Sangarn wrote:
Fistator is back

T.A.G.s either had already 'lost their power' or never really had it to begin with.

If true, this is sad to see - losing even more of their 'power' is a solution to a problem that didn't actually exist.

I agree:
TAG are more fun than competitive, the only ITS winner with TAG that i've seen was the PanO double TAG list with HGL and cutter kill list,
the first one will be as effectif, but the second is already dead with the nerf of the HMG, I dont see the use for the cutter in N3 right now,
maybe they will drop the cost, but it's not likely

CB hate PanO and just what to ruin them, I'm glad i've started playing Nomads

I play infinity for the TAG not fireteam, fireteam are not fun at all imo, 40k is a better squad game

Many will say that CB loves PanO because of their 'faction BS' buff, but everyone knows that CB really loves Nomads!

As for T.A.G.s, well, we'll have to wait until N3 launches to be sure, but the initial signs aren't looking good.

I would say wait and see.

But so far things indicate TAGs have not lost power, but got their role defined, if one continues to rely on TAGs been the get go all rounder great unit, yes TAGs will never be that again.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I would say wait and see.

But so far things indicate TAGs have not lost power, but got their role defined, if one continues to rely on TAGs been the get go all rounder great unit, yes TAGs will never be that again.

The intention is obviously to curb the ability of TAGs to rush the opposing deployment zone and spike the ball. I'm fine with this for all those high BS shooty TAGs, but it is worrisome how they're going to treat TAGs built for CC.

But really... TAGs can single handedly win & lose a game.

Example: I saw my Salamandra take a flamethrower shot & burn to death.
Well there goes 1/3 of my points to a single hit.

Yeah, I had an opponents Avatar cut through all my guys, and drop pie plates on the rest with its HGL from across the board. I didn't have a chance (didn't know ODD could be countered with fire for a start, that would have helped).

I like that they'll be toned down a bit. I don't want them to be too awesome, but still functional and useful for the game.

 GrenAcid wrote:
Agree, I dont mind one or two minis with such a pose....but I like Infinity minis for looking like they are in combat/doing something.

http://thekrug.com/episode-20-bostria-interview/
Some Interview with Carlos.

-"the sisters": I think it's something related to the Kum Bikers, maybe a box of female ones?

Rumor is that they are 'twins'. Make of that what you will.

It would be nice to see TAGs get a better role than just 'Rambo',which is how many people seem to want to play them. Oh, and to actually see the Tikbalang and new Mag Guard available sooner rather than later.

 Red Harvest wrote:

 GrenAcid wrote:
Agree, I dont mind one or two minis with such a pose....but I like Infinity minis for looking like they are in combat/doing something.

http://thekrug.com/episode-20-bostria-interview/
Some Interview with Carlos.

-"the sisters": I think it's something related to the Kum Bikers, maybe a box of female ones?

Rumor is that they are 'twins'. Make of that what you will.

It would be nice to see TAGs get a better role than just 'Rambo',which is how many people seem to want to play them. Oh, and to actually see the Tikbalang and new Mag Guard available sooner rather than later.

You got my atention sir with those Twins

Well, I think there should be some "rambo" tags as well as those more "in-line" like Gekos, but TAGs would benefit from re-purposing as hackers did.

I'm okay with the ragefist. The Jannisary looks badass.

Regarding TAGs, I'm fine with them becoming more midline support units, as that's how I always envisioned them. Huge robot that its back taking cover behind a building, making sure no one in their right mind approaches via his route. This is, after all, a spec ops infantry game. A huge stomping robot is cool, but shouldn't be the focus.

I disagree, but it seems as if your side has won out!

Janissary looks great.

Why does Corvus Belli keep working with Blue Table Painting? What does CB get out of that relationship? All they are doing is legitimizing the shadiest 'established' painting company operating today.

I don't want to hijack the N&R thread, but I feel like CB may not be aware of BTPs reputation as they deal mostly in North America.

I would genuinely be interested in seeing you posting that up as a thread. I would be inclined to read such a thread very closely and likely comment at some point.

Janissary does look damn good though. All this fist clenching is starting to feel a little power ballady thought.

 plastictrees wrote:
Why does Corvus Belli keep working with Blue Table Painting? What does CB get out of that relationship? All they are doing is legitimizing the shadiest 'established' painting company operating today.

I don't want to hijack the N&R thread, but I feel like CB may not be aware of BTPs reputation as they deal mostly in North America.

It was one of their earlier relationships. That and Battlefoam.

Caused a lot of controversy on the official forums when CB suddenly started a policy that you're not allowed to discuss non-partners' products on the forums.

I'm happy with CB's relationships nowadays being polyamorous with MAS and Plast Struct and others rather than the abusive Battlefoams and Blue Table relationships that caused little more than heartbreak and abortions.

I'm happy with Battlefoams Infinity bags, but I can definitely see, with the game gaining popularity and no other foam companies stepping up, that their contract must have had exclusivity in it.

That said, it's not like Battlefoam are doing anything unique, just making smaller bags with various sized cutouts and the Infinity logo. Selling a 'skirmish' sized bag for '25mm sci fi with robots' and appropriately sized cutouts certainly wouldn't breach any trademarks or copyrights.