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I'm also eager to see what changes might befall the Deff Dread. I never fielded them. I don't own one, but I'd love to soon. It would be nice to see our walkers get some new toys as well. I want some stompy deff!

the old models all get crap an irrelevant rules to make you buy the new stuff.

so if you haven't bought them you get put all your savings to the new more expensive stuff. Win!

if you already have them don't despair cause you can also buy the new stuff. Win!

It would be nice if you could give a Mek on bike a KFF...

i always found it dumb that a mek cannot take a kff plus mega armor. i mean, its just a huge sparky backpack....it would fit on a mega armor suit perfectly!

Thachng wrote:
the old models all get crap an irrelevant rules to make you buy the new stuff.

so if you haven't bought them you get put all your savings to the new more expensive stuff. Win!

if you already have them don't despair cause you can also buy the new stuff. Win!

It's been this way since at least the mid 90s with the release of 3rd Edition.

As long as Dreds and Kanz still have access to grot riggers(IWND), survivability is up! That, KFF and some mek tool backup should keep those piles of junk standing.

Thachng wrote:
the old models all get crap an irrelevant rules to make you buy the new stuff.

so if you haven't bought them you get put all your savings to the new more expensive stuff. Win!

if you already have them don't despair cause you can also buy the new stuff. Win!

This is demonstrably untrue (at least the part that refers to newer models being made deliberately superior to old ones in order to increase sales)

People keep bringing it up though, and I don't know why.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

Thachng wrote:
the old models all get crap an irrelevant rules to make you buy the new stuff.

so if you haven't bought them you get put all your savings to the new more expensive stuff. Win!

if you already have them don't despair cause you can also buy the new stuff. Win!

This is demonstrably untrue (at least the part that refers to newer models being made deliberately superior to old ones in order to increase sales)

People keep bringing it up though, and I don't know why.

Demonstration please?

 YourIntestines wrote:

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

Thachng wrote:
the old models all get crap an irrelevant rules to make you buy the new stuff.

so if you haven't bought them you get put all your savings to the new more expensive stuff. Win!

if you already have them don't despair cause you can also buy the new stuff. Win!

This is demonstrably untrue (at least the part that refers to newer models being made deliberately superior to old ones in order to increase sales)

People keep bringing it up though, and I don't know why.

Demonstration please?

Please note that I agree with the sentiment that in general GW make new models "good" in order to promote sales.

One example to the contrary would be the Tyranid Pyrovore.
I don't think any of those were sold that wasn't used as stand-in Biovores, or collectors getting one for completeness sake.

Steelmage99 wrote:

 YourIntestines wrote:

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

Thachng wrote:
the old models all get crap an irrelevant rules to make you buy the new stuff.

so if you haven't bought them you get put all your savings to the new more expensive stuff. Win!

if you already have them don't despair cause you can also buy the new stuff. Win!

This is demonstrably untrue (at least the part that refers to newer models being made deliberately superior to old ones in order to increase sales)

People keep bringing it up though, and I don't know why.

Demonstration please?

Please note that I agree with the sentiment that in general GW make new models "good" in order to promote sales.

One example to the contrary would be the Tyranid Pyrovore.
I don't think any of those were sold that wasn't used as stand-in Biovores, or collectors getting one for completeness sake.

Don't forget the Mutilators and Warp Talons for CSM, Vanguard Veterans and Assault Centurions for SM, Haruspex for the Tyranids, as well as Ogryns for Imperial Guard.

Tankbustaz too.

It's easier to understand that there is no pattern to if new models = better rules as GW has proven they'll make new models with terrible rules or have old models with amazing rules.

Gw is just awful at rules in general

The Chaos Daemon Exalted Flamer chariot.

Heavy torrent weapon on a model that didn't have relentless.

I would demonstrate, but it seems others already have for me.

I'd add the mutalisk/slaughterbrute, the troglodon, and Prince Apophas from Fantasy to that list though (there are many more examples).

It isn't that I think GW wouldn't do this if they thought they could get away with it, it's that I think GW don't actually have a decent handle on what makes a unit underpowered/overpowered, and obviously they can't exploit a situation if they don't know what the conditions underlying that situation are.

Really, for the 6th edition releases, only the Heldrake, Riptide, and Wraithknight were overpowered, and the Heldrake only was due to the FAQ that bizarrely gave it a turret weapon. Everything else has been mediocre, bad, or brokenly bad to the point of literally being unusable.

Just look at the most overpowered/undercosted unit from 6th, the Wave Serpent. Why? Every Eldar player will have some already; they're like Rhinos.

What if the warbikers exhaust cloud now gives stealth or shrouded?

 deffrekka wrote:
What if the warbikers exhaust cloud now gives stealth or shrouded?

i would be buying alot of bikes!!! that would be really amazing!!

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

Thachng wrote:
the old models all get crap an irrelevant rules to make you buy the new stuff.

so if you haven't bought them you get put all your savings to the new more expensive stuff. Win!

if you already have them don't despair cause you can also buy the new stuff. Win!

This is demonstrably untrue (at least the part that refers to newer models being made deliberately superior to old ones in order to increase sales)

People keep bringing it up though, and I don't know why.

People like to attribute method to GW's madness.

You're right though, it is demonstrably untrue. Tyranids prove it: introduce new Hive Guard, and nerf them (Lower ballistic skill), introduce new warrior Prime and hike the points cost massively, introduce the Haruspex, great model, dreadful rules.

Can we stick to the subject ORK RUMORS, enough of the tinfoil tangents okay?

Melevolence wrote:
I'm also eager to see what changes might befall the Deff Dread. I never fielded them. I don't own one, but I'd love to soon. It would be nice to see our walkers get some new toys as well. I want some stompy deff!

Dread mobs in general will be easier to run now than before, I think. Using a triple FOC army can get you up to three 'nauts, three deff dreads and nine killa kans! Fill your mandatory troops with cheap gretchin and grab a few big meks for HQ and you are good to go.

Better yet, with grot riggers giving IWND, all of our walkers and vehicles are now tough as nails. Taking riggers on everything makes your whole dread mob better because your opponent will be forced to shoot your stuff one at a time. If he leaves a deff dread with a single hull point alive, it may just get fixed up again!

I'm liking the rules we've seen so far. The killkannon buff, looted wagons becoming cheaper and riggers granting IWND are all very orky!

 44Ronin wrote:
Can we stick to the subject ORK RUMORS, enough of the tinfoil tangents okay?

What would you like to discuss?

I'm assuming there's something very important that must be on your mind.

Mumblez wrote:

Melevolence wrote:
I'm also eager to see what changes might befall the Deff Dread. I never fielded them. I don't own one, but I'd love to soon. It would be nice to see our walkers get some new toys as well. I want some stompy deff!

Dread mobs in general will be easier to run now than before, I think. Using a triple FOC army can get you up to three 'nauts, three deff dreads and nine killa kans! Fill your mandatory troops with cheap gretchin and grab a few big meks for HQ and you are good to go.

Better yet, with grot riggers giving IWND, all of our walkers and vehicles are now tough as nails. Taking riggers on everything makes your whole dread mob better because your opponent will be forced to shoot your stuff one at a time. If he leaves a deff dread with a single hull point alive, it may just get fixed up again!

I'm liking the rules we've seen so far. The killkannon buff, looted wagons becoming cheaper and riggers granting IWND are all very orky!

Thing is, running a Dread Mob wasn't that bad before, either*. But considering the changes that have already been made in this edition with the rumours/facts you mention (IWND, KFF being an invuln, some other stuff I'm almost certainly forgetting) a Dread Mob is shaping up to be a pretty deadly list.

This will be especially true if the dual-wielding gunz thing for KKs turns out to be true and not a WD flub. Even just a unit of 3 of them tosses out 12 str 6 blasts with grotzookas.


*I clarify this statement with the anecdotal evidence that in my personal meta, it performed reasonably well.

I think the effectiveness of Grot Riggers very much depends on whether they always cost the same as on the Morkanaught, or get discounted for cheaper vehicles.

Also on how good meks are. With the current mek rules, IWND seems like a pretty poor deal, since meks can heal hull points and damage results, can be transferred to where they are needed and don't really work out much more expensive.

Question about preodering online only stuff...

If i preorder the warboss codex, would it get sent from the Sydney warehouse next saturday on release? Or earlier so that I have it on saturday? Or if i ask to have it picked up in store, will it be available for pickup in store on saturday?

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 44Ronin wrote:
Can we stick to the subject ORK RUMORS, enough of the tinfoil tangents okay?

What would you like to discuss?

I'm assuming there's something very important that must be on your mind.

Potential changes and some real discussions about Orks rather than the typical GW politics crap that invades everything.

Will bommerz be buffed/points decreased?

Will battlewagons get supa kannon, lifta droppa, flakkaguns?

Will we get big trakks?

Will stormboyz get points decrease + ability to attack flyers?

Will kans & dreads get points decrease?

BOYZ. Point decrease? More weapon upgrades? Will we see burna option again? Will we see breaking of the 1:10 ratio fielding rules?
gretchin.

Will kommandos get shoota option?

Mekboy model. Is it a big mek or just a 1W mekboy? Potential abilities etc..

Painboy. Is it 1 wound or 2 wound character?

 44Ronin wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 44Ronin wrote:
Can we stick to the subject ORK RUMORS, enough of the tinfoil tangents okay?

What would you like to discuss?

I'm assuming there's something very important that must be on your mind.

Potential changes and some real discussions about Orks rather than the typical GW politics crap that invades everything.

Will bommerz be buffed/points decreased?

Will battlewagons get supa kannon, lifta droppa, flakkaguns?

Will we get big trakks?

Will stormboyz get points decrease + ability to attack flyers?

Will kans & dreads get points decrease?

BOYZ. Point decrease? More weapon upgrades? Will we see burna option again? Will we see breaking of the 1:10 ratio fielding rules?
gretchin.

Will kommandos get shoota option?

Mekboy model. Is it a big mek or just a 1W mekboy? Potential abilities etc..

Painboy. Is it 1 wound or 2 wound character?

agreed, there's 20 different things to talk about in the ork rumors thread than crying about tyranids.

i really hope that burnas get a buff somehow, and a dedicated xport. kommandos getting shootas would be boss as well.


there was an earlier rumor about stormboyz getting the ability to assault fliers, and i think it'll fit them nicely, especially since they were in the space marine game, but idk it was such an early rumor, it may have just been wishlisting.

I wonder if orks will be one of a really small minority of decent hand to hand based armys in 7th.. sadly as of yet it all looks shooty over hand to hand which makes me a sad panda cause orks i feel should be choppy over dakka..

 jackblg wrote:
I wonder if orks will be one of a really small minority of decent hand to hand based armys in 7th.. sadly as of yet it all looks shooty over hand to hand which makes me a sad panda cause orks i feel should be choppy over dakka..

Orks need both imo.,

None of this dumbed down 3rd ed Orks

man 3rd edition orks rocked!!! the speed freak list in the Armageddon book was sooooooo sweet!!!

and we had the most broken rule of all time!!! choppas reduced all saves better than 4+, to a 4+!! ah the good ole days!!!

 zachwho wrote:
man 3rd edition orks rocked!!! the speed freak list in the Armageddon book was sooooooo sweet!!!

and we had the most broken rule of all time!!! choppas reduced all saves better than 4+, to a 4+!! ah the good ole days!!!

Yes and shoota boyz were way overcosted.