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Or congressmen fort that matter. I heard this today on the radio and I'm floored by how much stupid pushed all the fancy book learnin' out of him.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/rep-paul-broun-r-ga-evolution-big-bang-lies-straight-from-the-pit-of-hell.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA): Evolution, Big Bang ‘Lies Straight From The Pit Of Hell’


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Benjy Sarlin October 5, 2012, 12:21 PM 78717

Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) tore into scientists as tools of the devil in a speech at the Liberty Baptist Church Sportsman’s Banquet last month.

“All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell,” Broun said. “And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”

According to Broun, the scientific plot was primarily concerned with hiding the true age of the Earth. Broun serves on the House Science Committee, which came under scrutiny recently after another one of its Republican members, Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO), suggested that victims of “legitimate rape” have unnamed biological defenses against pregnancy.

“You see, there are a lot of scientific data that I’ve found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth,” he said. “I don’t believe that the Earth’s but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was created in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible says.”

Broun — a physician, with an M.D. and a B.S. in chemistry — is generally considered to be among the most conservative members of Congress, if not the most. He drew national attention in 2010 for saying he did not know if President Obama was an American citizen.

In his speech, a clip of which was provided to TPM by The Bridge Project, a non-profit progressive tracker, Broun credited his literal Biblical interpretation with driving his approach to government.
The full 47-minute speech, posted by the Liberty Baptist Church, can be found here.

“What I’ve come to learn is that it’s the manufacturer’s handbook, is what I call it,” he said. “It teaches us how to run our lives individually, how to run our families, how to run our churches. But it teaches us how to run all of public policy and everything in society. And that’s the reason as your congressman I hold the holy Bible as being the major directions to me of how I vote in Washington, D.C., and I’ll continue to do that.”

Stupid people, while entertaining. Shouldn't be in positions of power, like on the House Science Committee.

 AustonT wrote:
(R-GA)

Enough said.


Also, it's amazing how often you see scientists who don't deal with geology or biology believe in young-earth creationism. I suspect they're the people who just memorized a list of formulas for each test and never really understood the scientific method or the theory behind it all, and then went straight into a job where they only have to deal with a very narrowly focused field.

This part is my favorite.

...there are a lot of scientific data...

I mean, Data was pretty scientific, but to pretend Lore wasn't either is just criminal. And refusing to add the "s"? Brent Spiner is probably incensed!

The UK is far less biblical if everyone sensible in the US wants to return to the motherland

This guy is a qualified medical doctor and he doesn't "believe" in embryology?!?!?

He must be an epic liar to have got through his exams without failing the embryology section.

I also like this:

Broun has been married four times. He has a son with his fourth wife, Nikki, and two daughters from previous marriages.

Truly, his faith is paramount with respect to his life decisions.

What does the Bible inform us about US citizenship law?

 SilverMK2 wrote:
The UK is far less biblical if everyone sensible in the US wants to return to the motherland

I've actually considered a move to Australia, but gun laws in the various commonwealth nations are very unfortunate to a man in my line of work.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
What does the Bible inform us about US citizenship law?

I looked, not much in there just something about slaughtering a ram and ensuring your fill out all forms in triplicate

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:
The UK is far less biblical if everyone sensible in the US wants to return to the motherland

I've actually considered a move to Australia, but gun laws in the various commonwealth nations are very unfortunate to a man in my line of work.

How do you mean?

“All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell,” Broun said.

The grinding sound you just heard was Georges Lemaître turning in his grave.

chances are he needs guns on hand for whatever reason due to his job. The job however, i got no idea, can't think of any where that is the case, but you have to supply our own. Besides a criminal of some kind of course.

 JohnnoM wrote:
chances are he needs guns on hand for whatever reason due to his job. The job however, i got no idea, can't think of any where that is the case, but you have to supply our own. Besides a criminal of some kind of course.

Mentioned something about being a gunsmith in another thread, if I recall correctly. So living in a country with strict gun laws would be bad for business.

Fafnir's got it in one. I looked into working for SAPOL (NSW wouldn't return my emails) and they basically told me that even with specialist skills I'd have to be a beat cop for a couple years then request a transfer to firearms section. So I can't even work for the government.

 Fafnir wrote:

 JohnnoM wrote:
chances are he needs guns on hand for whatever reason due to his job. The job however, i got no idea, can't think of any where that is the case, but you have to supply our own. Besides a criminal of some kind of course.

Mentioned something about being a gunsmith in another thread, if I recall correctly. So living in a country with strict gun laws would be bad for business.

Well, that'd do it.

 Peregrine wrote:

Also, it's amazing how often you see scientists who don't deal with geology or biology believe in young-earth creationism. I suspect they're the people who just memorized a list of formulas for each test and never really understood the scientific method or the theory behind it all, and then went straight into a job where they only have to deal with a very narrowly focused field.

A very small number of scientists are creationists, I think something like 4% of scientists don't believe in evolution. None of these (or virtually none) will work in the life sciences.

The fact that such an ill informed/delusional fool is actually on a government science commitee speaks volumes about how useful these commitees actually are.

I think that the real problem is that we have a house "Science" committee. We should have the house righteousness or biblical committee. These good men of proper faith are just doing their best with a broken system.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:
The UK is far less biblical if everyone sensible in the US wants to return to the motherland

I've actually considered a move to Australia, but gun laws in the various commonwealth nations are very unfortunate to a man in my line of work.

Haven't you seen those shows about Australia's border control? Nobody gets into Australia. Nobody.

Palindrome wrote:


A very small number of scientists are creationists, I think something like 4% of scientists don't believe in evolution. None of these (or virtually none) will work in the life sciences.

The fact that such an ill informed/delusional fool is actually on a government science commitee speaks volumes about how useful these commitees actually are.

Here is a list of ill informed/delusional fools..virtually none of them work in life sciences....wait a minute....virtually none?...See bolded list below.



Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation

Dr. William Arion, Biochemistry, Chemistry
Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr. S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr. Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
Dr. John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr. Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr. Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr. Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
Dr. David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr. Rob Carter, Marine Biology
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr. Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr. Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr. Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr. John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Timothy C. Coppess, M.S., Environmental Scientist
Dr. Bob Compton, DVM
Dr. Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr. Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr. William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
Dr. Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr. Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
Dr. Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr. Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr. Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
Dr. Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
Dr. Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr. David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr. Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr. Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. Ted Driggers, Operations research
Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
Dr. André Eggen, Geneticist
Dr. Dudley Eirich, Molecular Biologist
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Dr. Andrew J. Fabich, Microbiology
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
Dr. Kenneth W. Funk, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr. Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
Dr. Paul Giem, Medical Research
Dr. Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
Dr. Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr. Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr. Warwick Glover, General Surgeon
Dr. D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
Dr. Robin Greer, Chemist, History
Dr. Stephen Grocott, Chemist
Dr. Vicki Hagerman, DMV
Dr. Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr. Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr. Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr. Mark Harwood, Engineering (satellite specialist)
Dr. George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
Dr. Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
Dr. Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr. Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr. Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Dr. Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
Dr. Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
Dr. Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr. Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr. Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
Dr. George F. Howe, Botany
Dr. Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
Dr. James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
Dr. Arthur Jones, Biology
Dr. Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr. Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
Dr. William F. Kane, (Civil) Geotechnical Engineering
Dr. Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
Dr. Dean Kenyon, Biologist
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr. John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr. Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr. Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
Dr. John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
Dr. Johan Kruger, Zoology
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Dr. John G. Leslie, Biochemist, Physician, Archaeologist
Dr. Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
Dr. Alan Love, Chemist
Dr. Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
Dr. John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
Dr. Ronald C. Marks, Associate Professor of Chemistry
Dr. George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
Dr. Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
Dr. John McEwan, Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr. David Menton, Anatomist
Dr. Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. John Meyer, Physiologist
Dr. Albert Mills, Animal Embryologist/Reproductive Physiologist
Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
Dr. Elizabeth Mitchell, Physician
Dr. Tommy Mitchell, Physician
Dr. John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr. John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
Dr. Henry M. Morris (1918–2006), founder of the Institute for Creation Research.
Dr. Arlton C. Murray, Paleontologist
Dr. John D. Morris, Geologist
Dr. Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr. Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Dr. Terry Mortenson, History of Geology
Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr. Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
Dr. David Oderberg, Philosopher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr. John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr. Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr. Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr. David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
Prof. Richard Porter
Dr. Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
Dr. John Rankin, Cosmologist
Dr. A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr. Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr. David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr. Ariel A. Roth, Biology
Dr. Kenneth Royal, Psychometrics
Dr. Joachim Scheven, Palaeontologist
Dr. Ian Scott, Educator
Dr. Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
Dr. Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr. Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr. Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr. Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr. E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
George S. Smith, M.S., Chemistry
Dr. Andrew Snelling, Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Dr. Timothy G. Standish, Biology
Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr. Esther Su, Biochemistry
Dr. Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr. Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
Dr. Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
Dr. Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr. Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr. Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Dr. Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr. Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Dr. Stephen J. Vinay III, Chemical Engineering
Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892–1979) Surgeon
Dr. Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
Dr. Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr. Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr. A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr. John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915–1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer
Dr. Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
Dr. Gordon Wilson, Environmental Science and Public Policy
Dr. Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997)
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr. Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr. Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr. Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology


GG

 generalgrog wrote:

Here is a list of ill informed/delusional fools..virtually none of them work in life sciences....wait a minute....virtually none?...See bolded list below.

Now, would you like a list of scientists of all stripes who do believe in evolution? Because we can essentially go through every research institute, university, think tank, research firm, and whatever else you care to name in this nation, grab every scientist, and just cross the names you wrote off the list.

You're not going to win the, "We're credible with our creationist/young earth tripe!" argument by trotting out a pathetically small list of names. One in five Americans think we staged the moon landing. The fact that there's a lot of misinformed, outright wrong people doesn't lend any credibility at all to the wrong notion. See: politics.

 Seaward wrote:

 generalgrog wrote:

Here is a list of ill informed/delusional fools..virtually none of them work in life sciences....wait a minute....virtually none?...See bolded list below.

Now, would you like a list of scientists of all stripes who do believe in evolution? Because we can essentially go through every research institute, university, think tank, research firm, and whatever else you care to name in this nation, grab every scientist, and just cross the names you wrote off the list.

You're not going to win the, "We're credible with our creationist/young earth tripe!" argument by trotting out a pathetically small list of names. One in five Americans think we staged the moon landing. The fact that there's a lot of misinformed, outright wrong people doesn't lend any credibility at all to the wrong notion. See: politics.

You are arguing from ad-populum.

All I was doing was responding to palindromes erroneus statement regarding life scientists that believe in creation as "virtually none" If he had said small number I wouldn't have had an issue with his misleading statement.

GG

 generalgrog wrote:

 Seaward wrote:

 generalgrog wrote:

Here is a list of ill informed/delusional fools..virtually none of them work in life sciences....wait a minute....virtually none?...See bolded list below.

Now, would you like a list of scientists of all stripes who do believe in evolution? Because we can essentially go through every research institute, university, think tank, research firm, and whatever else you care to name in this nation, grab every scientist, and just cross the names you wrote off the list.

You're not going to win the, "We're credible with our creationist/young earth tripe!" argument by trotting out a pathetically small list of names. One in five Americans think we staged the moon landing. The fact that there's a lot of misinformed, outright wrong people doesn't lend any credibility at all to the wrong notion. See: politics.

You are arguing from ad-populum.

All I was doing was responding to palindromes erroneus statement regarding life scientists that believe in creation as "virtually none" If he had said small number I wouldn't have had an issue with his misleading statement.

GG

His statement is still accurate when you consider the proportion of life scientists who don't believe in evolution as a percentage of the total number of life scientists. The percentage would be so low you could assume it is zero, without it affecting your data in any meaningful way.

How many scientists are there in the world? How many names are on your list? Additionally about half of your list don't work in the life sciences, 1 is even a plastic surgeon. I made no misleading statement.

How the hell can you be a Paleontologist and a creationist? A creationist Geneticist, serioulsy? That must put a damper on his professional credability.

It would be interesting to see what institutions issued their doctorates and in what subjects. Also, what institutions employ them...

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 generalgrog wrote:

 Seaward wrote:

 generalgrog wrote:

Here is a list of ill informed/delusional fools..virtually none of them work in life sciences....wait a minute....virtually none?...See bolded list below.

Now, would you like a list of scientists of all stripes who do believe in evolution? Because we can essentially go through every research institute, university, think tank, research firm, and whatever else you care to name in this nation, grab every scientist, and just cross the names you wrote off the list.

You're not going to win the, "We're credible with our creationist/young earth tripe!" argument by trotting out a pathetically small list of names. One in five Americans think we staged the moon landing. The fact that there's a lot of misinformed, outright wrong people doesn't lend any credibility at all to the wrong notion. See: politics.

You are arguing from ad-populum.

All I was doing was responding to palindromes erroneus statement regarding life scientists that believe in creation as "virtually none" If he had said small number I wouldn't have had an issue with his misleading statement.

GG

His statement is still accurate when you consider the proportion of life scientists who don't believe in evolution as a percentage of the total number of life scientists. The percentage would be so low you could assume it is zero, without it affecting your data in any meaningful way.

No it's not when you look at his original statement..in fact he said 4% don't believe in evolution and of those..."virtually none are from life sciences" I did a quick calculation and a little over 25% of that list are from the life sciences fields.

GG

 generalgrog wrote:

No it's not when you look at his original statement..in fact he said 4% don't believe in evolution and of those..."virtually none are from life sciences" I did a quick calculation and a little over 25% of that list are from the life sciences fields.
GG

Which is still virtually none.

Palindrome wrote:
How many scientists are there in the world? How many names are on your list? Additionally about half of your list don't work in the life sciences, 1 is even a plastic surgeon. I made no misleading statement.

How the hell can you be a Paleontologist and a creationist? A creationist Geneticist, serioulsy? That must put a damper on his professional credability.

I said look at the "BOLDED" those are life scienctists...and it looks like I left off the Botonists so you can add those to the list of "BOLDED".

GG


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Palindrome wrote:

 generalgrog wrote:

No it's not when you look at his original statement..in fact he said 4% don't believe in evolution and of those..."virtually none are from life sciences" I did a quick calculation and a little over 25% of that list are from the life sciences fields.
GG

Which is still virtually none.

You obviously don't know anything about statistics.

GG

I'd just like to say as someone who has played 40k, I don't buy that the Space Marines are produced by "Games Workshop" in some kind of "Factory" with "Plastic". It's right there in the Codex, they're genetically modified from young recruits. You can't change the Codex truth of Space Marine creation, take that as an expert opinion from someone who has played the game.

Bloke has an MD and doesn't "believe" in embryology!? I'm glad the mother fether isn't my missus doctor!

Seriously, this stuff really annoys me now. Its poisoned my military service as well, because for example, I was proud and pleased when I was selected to form the advance party sent into Iraq a couple of months before the war started, I was happy to go back on OIF 4 a couple of years later as well. I trusted the upper echelons like any good soldier does, and figured I was doing my duty for a good reason.

And then I found out a few years later that the real reason we went is because Bush Is a half mad deluded lunatic who thought God told him to invade Iraq during a candid conversation.

I thought we were invading for a sensible reason, and I figured I had something in common with Mr Bush because we both have no tolerance for Islam. But the my lack of tolerance is because I have a lack of tolerance for all Religion and Theocracy, I think that it is the anathema to true freedom which causes suffering and misery for millions.

The reason Bush had no tolerance for Islam is because he wants to replace it with his own almost as intolerant version, hardcore Christianity!

35 -40% of Americans are no better than Iranians or Pakistanis. They would be more than happy to live in a Religious Theocracy as long as it was their Religion, they would be more than happy to see gays locked up and abortions made illegal.

Land of the free indeed.

Palindrome wrote:

A very small number of scientists are creationists, I think something like 4% of scientists don't believe in evolution.

Most scientists are creationists, very few scientists are Young Earth creationists.

 mattyrm wrote:
Bloke has an MD and doesn't "believe" in embryology!? I'm glad the mother fether isn't my missus doctor!

I've heard of this before, the best excuse was "Well, that's just stuff I need to pretend is true in order to do my job."

 generalgrog wrote:

You are arguing from ad-populum.

And you're arguing from authority.


Edit: pardon my typos, I have the flu and need to work.

 Peregrine wrote:

 AustonT wrote:
(R-GA)

Enough said.


Also, it's amazing how often you see scientists who don't deal with geology or biology believe in young-earth creationism. I suspect they're the people who just memorized a list of formulas for each test and never really understood the scientific method or the theory behind it all, and then went straight into a job where they only have to deal with a very narrowly focused field.

I thinks its more of an unwillingness to look beyond yourself. Many People i talk to both think that its both awesome and scary that there is so much out there. Scary because it shows you how little you actually matter, so some may not want to think that.