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This came out yesterday on a chaos vs chaos game, my opponent's Ahriman killed with a witchfire a poor champion that had the bad luck of being closest to him and also failing his LoS. Anyway, he asked me... should I roll on the boon table?, since Ahriman fulfilled the req of killing an enemy character, but we were unsure if it only applies on CC, the codex doesn't restrains it to melee only. And even thou this wouldn't be a problem to resolve due to being a psy power and we are sure it came from the caster, what about the champions firing within the unit? should they roll as if they were a different weapon profile? in order to see if the shot kills a character on the other unit?

At the end he didn't roll because we were unsure, so I bring this to you guys.

I'll quote the book directly since I have it right next to me.
" Whenever a character with the Champion of Chaos special rule kills an enemy character, you must immediately check to see if the Dark gods rewar him"

No where on that page does it specify that it has to be in combat. So I say if a character shooting (psychic or not) kills an enemy character, then yes, you do get a boon.

You should always roll characters separately anyway due to Precision Shots.

A few more notes from that page, killing a character via sweeping advance does NOT give you a boon.

If an enemy character dies as a result of multiple Wounds being allocated to it simultaneously, and one or more of those wounds were caused by the champion, that champion still rolls on the Chaos Boon table.

rigeld2 wrote:
You should always roll characters separately anyway due to Precision Shots.

Oh you are right... we always forget precision shots from the champions... well actually from everything hehe

rigeld2 wrote:
You should always roll characters separately anyway due to Precision Shots.

This too!
I like to just grab a unique dice so you can roll everything together, but still be able to tell which one is the character.

The wounds are still resolved at the same time, here is a question though. All shooting from a single unit is done simultaneously.

so what about multiple AP values? example. character has bolt pistol and unit has plasma gun. Both wound but i declare to make the ap2 saves first, these are failed does the character still role chaos boon?

If these were both Bolt Pistols he would...

 jegsar wrote:
The wounds are still resolved at the same time, here is a question though. All shooting from a single unit is done simultaneously.

so what about multiple AP values? example. character has bolt pistol and unit has plasma gun. Both wound but i declare to make the ap2 saves first, these are failed does the character still role chaos boon?

If these were both Bolt Pistols he would...

This is the real kicker. Although the shots are resolved simultaneously, the Codex specifies that a wound from YOUR CHARACTER must be allocated (and unsaved) to THEIR CHARACTER for a roll on the Boons table to be granted. Because the unit is destroyed / removed the rest of the wound pool is ignored, including your character's bolt pistol shots. Likewise, if the unit remains but his bolt pistol shots kill some random scrub but not a character, no rolls. Again, because HIS shots and their resultant wounds need to be allocated (unsaved) to the enemy character.

also note that as all shooting from one squad is simo. The champ only needs to land one wound to get the kill.

IE a lone DE haemi with 2 wounds is out for a walk. 5 CSM rapid fire him and do 4 wounds, one of which is from the champion. The champ rolls on the boon table, as he killed the haemi...

 Exergy wrote:
also note that as all shooting from one squad is simo. The champ only needs to land one wound to get the kill.

IE a lone DE haemi with 2 wounds is out for a walk. 5 CSM rapid fire him and do 4 wounds, one of which is from the champion. The champ rolls on the boon table, as he killed the haemi...

Correct. But if the lone Haemi was actually with a squad of Wyches, and they all got mowed down but the champ's shots/wounds were allocated to the Wyches, he would not get to roll. One of his wounds would have to be allocated onto the Haemi (and unsaved) in order for a Boons roll to be granted.

So roll all the shots at the same time. Just use a unique dice to represent the characters dice. If that unique dice does a wound on a character that dies. Boon!

Who decides order that saves of the SAME AP are taken then? Same example as above with wyches. say there are 5 wyches and the character, shot by 10 marines and 1 character. everyone hits, wounds and 0 saves are made... What happens?

Wouldnt they be separate wound pools, as they have different rules attached? Then shooting player decides which pool empties first.

Never read anything about that. assuming they are all the same strength and non precision and same ap. Even so they should still be resolved at the same time.

If one of them wounds the squad leader (assuming 2 wounds) then he rolls for boons. I don't have my codex with me this is why I am asking on here. I will reread that section when I get home if no one has an answer,

 jegsar wrote:
Who decides order that saves of the SAME AP are taken then? Same example as above with wyches. say there are 5 wyches and the character, shot by 10 marines and 1 character. everyone hits, wounds and 0 saves are made... What happens?

in that case you should separate the champions shots out from the other marines. Because things can happen due to the champions shots, you can separate them even though they are same strenght and same AP.
then as you are the shooting player you can make your opponent roll whichever pool you want first. Of course in a unit, the character can just LOS the champions shots and deny the boon.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Wouldnt they be separate wound pools, as they have different rules attached? Then shooting player decides which pool empties first.

This is how I would play it. Precision Shots are normally taken separetly to any other saves, so this seems not all that different.