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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 21:47:31
Subject: Done with Finecast
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Been Around the Block
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That's it. I'm not buying any finecast products again. I've been trying to assemble a Warpsmith. The axe is badly bent, the backpack and wire cape don't fit together properly, even after significant cleaning up. The resin is very glue resistant.
Every finecast has been bad. Squishy-faced Sternguard. A Techmarine that came packed with two of the same sprue at the expense of another, forcing som major customization to compensate for the missing parts.
I'm taking some of the Warpsmith bits that don't suck, and I'll just mod one with other bits.
I'm sticking with Plastic. Does Forge World use this crap resin, too?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 21:51:49
Subject: Done with Finecast
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They use a different resin.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 21:52:48
Subject: Done with Finecast
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Been Around the Block
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Is it a better quality - more durable and less of a nightmare to clean off excess?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 21:57:04
Subject: Done with Finecast
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Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker
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Did you ever think to talk to GW about it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 22:00:00
Subject: Done with Finecast
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Lord of the Fleet
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Take it back to GW, they'll more than likely give you a replacement. Better than ranting on here about it anyway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 22:09:10
Subject: Re:Done with Finecast
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Perfect Shot Black Templar Predator Pilot
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Give it back to GW, and get a replacement. Not good? Get another one. The only reason that this is allowed to continue is that people are not being resolute on getting replacements. I have a very large amount of Finecast in my Eldar armies, and a small amount in my Black Templars and all of it looks great because I have forced them to always give me the product I asked for. Is that inconvenient? Yes, but ultimately they have never had an issue replacing and giving me new ones (typically even letting me keep the old ones, which has worked out with some sculpting and reconstruction to get new or more units).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 22:15:35
Subject: Re:Done with Finecast
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:Give it back to GW, and get a replacement. Not good? Get another one. The only reason that this is allowed to continue is that people are not being resolute on getting replacements. I have a very large amount of Finecast in my Eldar armies, and a small amount in my Black Templars and all of it looks great because I have forced them to always give me the product I asked for. Is that inconvenient? Yes, but ultimately they have never had an issue replacing and giving me new ones (typically even letting me keep the old ones, which has worked out with some sculpting and reconstruction to get new or more units).
You're telling me none of them have bent weapon shafts? I haven't seen a finecast model with a straight weapon yet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 22:24:36
Subject: Re:Done with Finecast
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
Schofield Barracks Hawaii
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If you use Loctite super glue (not the gel it leaves a white powder when dry) it will hold the resin no problem, and as far as the pieces not sitting flush, the answer is green stuff and for smaller gaps liquid green stuff. and even though some of the weapons may not be straight you can bend them straight and place them in a vice and leave them there for a while and it should help some, if its not good enough, do it again and place a very small amount of glue at the base of the weapon (where it connects to the hand or other point on a model) leave it overnight and it should straighten out. I used to absolutely HATE finecast models but over time I've learned to just fix them and continue on with my modelling. And as mentioned above if you dont wanna take the time to fix em' bring them back and swap them out till you get what you are after. But some models only come in finecast unless you can find the really old metal versions of them. Either way goodluck.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 22:25:09
Subject: Done with Finecast
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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Hot water and gentle pressure corrects bends in resin.
Resin modelling 101.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 22:30:08
Subject: Re:Done with Finecast
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Norn Queen
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Kevlar wrote: Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:Give it back to GW, and get a replacement. Not good? Get another one. The only reason that this is allowed to continue is that people are not being resolute on getting replacements. I have a very large amount of Finecast in my Eldar armies, and a small amount in my Black Templars and all of it looks great because I have forced them to always give me the product I asked for. Is that inconvenient? Yes, but ultimately they have never had an issue replacing and giving me new ones (typically even letting me keep the old ones, which has worked out with some sculpting and reconstruction to get new or more units). You're telling me none of them have bent weapon shafts? I haven't seen a finecast model with a straight weapon yet. Get two cups. Fill one with hot water from the tap. Fill one with cold water (preferably chilled). Wait for the hot water to stop steaming (so it's still hot, but not unbearably so). Dip the bent weapon in the hot water for a minute or so. Take it out, and straighten it. Dip it in the cold water. What this does is warm the resin to the point where it is malleable - you need to soak it for a minute or so, so this goes right to the core of the part. Once straightened, you dip it in the cool water to rapidly recure it. The part will now be straight. This happens to all resin, good quality or not, when used for long, thin parts like axe hafts, staves, etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 22:34:08
Subject: Re:Done with Finecast
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Jovial Junkatrukk Driver
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I am lucky enough to have all my finecast models in a good state.
I was going to post on how to straighten the bends in resin, but seeing as it was posted twice already i wont bother.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 22:37:13
Subject: Done with Finecast
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Heroic Senior Officer
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 22:54:26
Subject: Done with Finecast
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Yes, in the moddeling section of the BRB for one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 23:14:42
Subject: Re:Done with Finecast
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Perfect Shot Black Templar Predator Pilot
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Kevlar wrote:
You're telling me none of them have bent weapon shafts? I haven't seen a finecast model with a straight weapon yet.
Nothing is perfect, just as you can expect mold lines with Plastic. As has been stated a bit further up in this thread, hot water, 20 seconds, and a small bit of your time will fix any bending/warping issues you have. It will also make trimming large blocks of resin (looking at your FW Dreadnoughts) much easier.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 23:17:01
Subject: Done with Finecast
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Heroic Senior Officer
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That BRB is what... 60-70$?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/18 23:30:39
Subject: Done with Finecast
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Norn Queen
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People could also just google 'working with resin models'. The first hit is Forgeworlds pdf. The third is a pdf from Dreamforge games. Both of them are easy to understand and explain how to deal with a peice of warped resin.
This isn't even effort. It's basic information gathering.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 01:43:36
Subject: Re:Done with Finecast
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Kevlar wrote:
You're telling me none of them have bent weapon shafts? I haven't seen a finecast model with a straight weapon yet.
My warpsmith was fine. My Dark Apostle needed the hot water treatment to get the scrolls out of the way of his legs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 12:20:17
Subject: Re:Done with Finecast
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
Kansas City, Missouri
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Ghazy and Shock attack gun mek = 100% met expectations.
I have noticed any models with smaller shapes and sizes tend to be the ones with problems. So thankfully i haven't ran into this issue at all yet but for those with small or delicate pieces shouldn't be surprised to be honest, the fact GW is intimately aware of the issue i agree with most the level headed folks here. Quit whining and fix the problem in a few business days, i don't give sympathy to those who can fix their problems with if barely any effort.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 12:47:31
Subject: Done with Finecast
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Bounding Ultramarine Assault Trooper
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Zappit wrote:
Is it a better quality - more durable and less of a nightmare to clean off excess?
Yes, its pretty good quality. Much stiffer, less flash, finer details, and I've yet to see any miscasts where the mold didn't meet properly or one half of the mold was not aligned. Forgeworld is nicer quality.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 14:37:19
Subject: Re:Done with Finecast
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Xeno-Hating Inquisitorial Excruciator
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I highly recommend pinning with paper clips and super glue, THEN using Liquid Green Stuff on top to bind the outer layers together.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 17:18:46
Subject: Re:Done with Finecast
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Sneaky Lictor
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Done with FC as well. Bubbles, ripples, missing, bits, fragile, warps . . . all problems I never had with metal except bent parts, which were easier to fix, and FC is more expensive. No thanks. When I did have GW replace FC for me, which they did promptly, the replacement wasn't much better. If I want crappy minis that need a bunch of work I can sculpt my own Fails for cheap. If I need a model that is only FC now I find the meal version secondhand. Cheaper and flat out better.
The whole, "We went to FC because metal is too expensive" is bull. Funny that I can still buy fantastic quality Reaper minis in metal for like $6.50, Reaper must have a secret metal mine that leads to an alternate dimension of reasonable metal prices. They should really be saying, "We can pay our stockholders an extra nickel by switching from quality to crap by giving the downgraded minis a fancier name and proclaiming them the best. Our customers will eat the lies up and ask for more, just watch!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 17:25:11
Subject: Done with Finecast
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Great, another thread on this...
While I have been lucky to have not have any problems with Finecast, the hot water trick will work. Also, so will a call to GW when it is unfixable or unreasonable. They do usually require a lot more cleanup from flash, but a slightly dull Xacto knife is your friend here.
And before this become too much of a Finecrapst flame war, remember that metal bends, too...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 17:27:01
Subject: Re:Done with Finecast
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The Conquerer
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Bent resin is a fact of working with the stuff.
You should be glad Finecast is softer then other resins out there. Its easier to bend into place.
And bubbles and flaws will be speedily replaced by GW. They are very good when it comes to flawed product.
My only real gripe with finecast is that it breaks and it warps in heat(so don't leave it in the car)
I prefer metal models on weight. having this heavy model is so satisfying.
Frankly, I wish GW would move to 100% plastics. Their new plastic models are
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 17:29:59
Subject: Done with Finecast
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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I'll admit, that at first, I was a huge opponent of Failcast.
But recent casts have been really good. The current Chaos range is really good in Finecast.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 17:59:20
Subject: Re:Done with Finecast
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I have seen some horrible smiths . As resin goes , dont buy it if you dont have to . a few times in my life I did the whole heat water and dip in cold and resin part was bending back after a day or so and in the case of swords I manged to snap one. heat didnt go to the core, was soft on the outside , but still hard on the inside and the totaly bent out another one [used water heat up , not tap water . as this seems to have different temperature in different countries .
I will never understand why GW thinks that a large part of important models should be finecast , specialy when those models werent ment to be done in finecast . I have yet to find a goblin shaman without a broken off nose . I stoped asking for a new after 11tries , shop owner just gave me back money. And it made my dump the army in the end . Over 2 months wait time and I couldnt even start playing when others had their armies ready . Missed tournaments , missed shop league and them summer was gone , sold the army I never realy played with. only because of failcast stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 18:07:48
Subject: Re:Done with Finecast
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:Give it back to GW, and get a replacement. Not good? Get another one. The only reason that this is allowed to continue is that people are not being resolute on getting replacements. I have a very large amount of Finecast in my Eldar armies, and a small amount in my Black Templars and all of it looks great because I have forced them to always give me the product I asked for. Is that inconvenient? Yes, but ultimately they have never had an issue replacing and giving me new ones (typically even letting me keep the old ones, which has worked out with some sculpting and reconstruction to get new or more units).
I have purchased finecast in the past from a local retailer. It was horrible. Parts broken on the sprue. I sent pictures, emailed, and even called GW. I was told to try and correct the problem by boiling water to straighten out the bends. When asked about a replacement, they said no. I was also told to look at the kit before purchasing. Hard to when the model is in a box, not a see through blister. GW does not want to help if you have to do it outside of a store, and I will not drive three hours to go to a GW store and get harrassed by their employees.
I have only one finecast purchase that has not been a problem, cpt tycho. Maybe that is because he is one piece. Finecast is garbage. I have yet to hear some one say "I am so glad they switched to finecast."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 19:02:54
Subject: Re:Done with Finecast
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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I have had great success with Finecast up until the last kit I got... the Changeling. I'm on my third one now after exchanging at the store once and having a replacement sent out and they all have the same flaw in the back of the model. I finally said screw it and just left him in the box, he's only a 5 pt upgrade character that I wanted for the painting opportunity but now he just makes me mad. I'll convert him into something else when the anger subsides...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 19:03:24
Subject: Done with Finecast
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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My Local G.W has instituted a new policy that, once the Finecast has left the store, they won't take it back. You'll have to contact G.W. I try not to buy finecast myself as every single one I've ever bought was just junk, I really wish they'd chane the quality of the resin because Finecast has to be the worst resin product I've had to deal with.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 20:05:58
Subject: Done with Finecast
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Wing Commander
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bibblles wrote:Zappit wrote:
Is it a better quality - more durable and less of a nightmare to clean off excess?
Yes, its pretty good quality. Much stiffer, less flash, finer details, and I've yet to see any miscasts where the mold didn't meet properly or one half of the mold was not aligned. Forgeworld is nicer quality.
As far as I understand it, Finecast is a resin-plastic hybrid, whereas FW use 100% resin.
I agree that they should have moved to all plastic kits, too. Hate on FC all you want, but you gotta admit their plastic kits have gone from strength to strength (except in quantity in the box, perhaps - but that's another, in not entirely unrelated, topic...).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 20:23:35
Subject: Done with Finecast
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...I haven't had much trouble, the worst problem I've seen with Finecast is when Coteaz came with a misshapen left forearm, which was easy enough to patch with a spare Space Marine bit and some green stuff. I've seen a lot of griping on the Internet but I've never met anyone who's had much trouble...
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