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Alright, so i'm think of a idea for a new army. Salamanders. I want a mid-range, quick, hard hitting force. Keep the opponent off balance and just keep coming. I have two lists, don't know which to start basing it off of and what to do to the chosen list to make it better. I welcome all C&C.

List 1
HQ:
Vulkan
he will ride in the LRR w/ the termies (naturally)

Master of the Forge w/ Conversion Beam - 120pts

Elites:
5 Assault Termies w/ 3x TH&SS, 2x LCs
in the raider, heart of the assault
5 Sternguard w/ 5 combi-meltas & drop pod - 185pts
5 Sternguard w/ 4 combi-flamers & drop pod - 180pts
suicide groups to pop whatever i find threatening at the time

Troops:
10 Tac Marines w/ melta, MM, combi-melta, rhino - 220pts
10 Tac Marines w/ flamer, MM, combi-flamer, rhino - 215pts
10 Tac Marines w/ flamer, MM, rhino - 205pts

Fast Attack:
Storm Talon w/ TL AC, TML - 155pts
Storm Talon w/ TLAC, TL LasCan - 150pts
Attack Bike w/ MM - 50pts

2000pts

List 2
HQ:
Vulkan
he will ride in the LRR w/ the termies (naturally)

Elites:
5 Assault Termies w/ 3x TH&SS, 2x LCs
in the raider
Dreadnought w/ HF, MM, drop pod - 150pts
5 Sternguard w/ 5 combi-meltas, drop pod - 185pts

Troops:
Ageis Defense Line w/ Quad Gun - 100pts
5 Scouts w/ SRs, ML, cloaks - 100pts
they will sit in the ADL
10 Tac Marines w/ melta, MM, combi-melta, rhino - 220pts
10 Tac Marines w/ flamer, MM, combi-flamer, rhino - 215pts
10 Tac Marines w/ flamer, MM, combi-flamer, rhino - 215pts

Fast Attack:
Attack Bike w/ MM - 50pts

2000pts

NEW LIST BELOW

Your 2nd list looks remarkably similar to mine, and I've had success with it. I do have reservations about the Storm Talon, I'm not particularly impressed with it to be honest. Give the Sgt. in your 1st tac squad a combi-flamer as well, combi template weapons are the best, zero chance to miss. You may want to find some way to field some stand off fire power, like a Predator or a Thunderfire cannon, something that can reach out and touch your opponent on turn 1, keep you from loosing first blood.

hmm, true. do you think dropping the storm talon and taking a MotF w/ conversion beamer, put him with the scouts, then with the leftover points is just enough to take an attack bike w/ MM would be better? or take those 50-55points and give the serg's power weapons?

The attack bike for sure. Power weapons on tactical squads really aren't that helpful. All they do is help you weather an assault you shouldn't be in in the first place. As far as the attack bike goes, I personally prefer Land Speeders as a quick melta delivery system, but you don't have the points to afford one, so attack bike it is. Second, MotF with conversion beamer is actually a pretty good idea that I may just have to try out in my list. I've got an old pewter one who's been gathering dust in a closet somewhere, he'll appreciate seeing the light of day for once. Lastly, you may want to consider switching one of your tactical squad rhinos for a third drop pod. 3 pods is the magic number, since you round up the number of pods coming in on turn one, you always want to have an odd number. This will allow you to drop the Dreadnought and the Sternguard turn one, then drop a scoring Tactical squad right on top of an objective on a later turn.


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Just realised this too, if you put the MotF with the Scouts, he can fire the Quad Gun, and he's BS5!.

I love it. so here is the new list. Again, all C&C are welcome. This is suppose to be a hard hitting, in your face army. Throw the enemy off balance and hit them where it hurts as quick as possible.

HQ:
Vulkan
he will ride in the LRR w/ the termies (naturally)

Master of the Forge w/ Conversion Beam - 120pts
he will be in the ADL with the scouts

Elites:
5 Assault Termies w/ 3x TH&SS, 2x LCs, LRR w/ MM - 450pts
in the raider, heart of the assault
Dreadnought w/ HF, MM, drop pod - 150pts
5 Sternguard w/ 5 combi-meltas, drop pod - 185pts

Troops:
Ageis Defense Line w/ Quad Gun - 100pts
5 Scouts w/ SRs, ML, cloaks - 100pts
they will sit in the ADL
10 Tac Marines w/ melta, MM, combi-melta, drop pod - 220pts
10 Tac Marines w/ flamer, MM, combi-flamer, rhino - 215pts
10 Tac Marines w/ flamer, MM, combi-flamer, rhino - 215pts

Fast Attack:
Attack Bike w/ MM - 50pts

1995pt

Nothing else from the peanut gallery?

Pondering

I think the last list you've posted should prove to be rather successful, but I suppose you knew that already.

i figure it should do good. but i thought i might get some more thoughts. both good and bad

this is going to be my new pet project. forge world army, so i want to be sure this is the right list before i drop a metric butt load of money into it