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I'm interested in making a BT list that involves IG allies. What I'm looking for is to fit what I own into the army, and then give it some anti-tank fire power through the Guardsmen. Because I HATE Predator Tanks, that Las/Plas combo, and Land Speeder Typhoons, and I've always wanted an IG army.

What I own for BT:

Emperor's Champion
Marshal with a power sword
a few random crusaders with CCW/BP
a Land Raider Crusader
a Dreadnought

Here's what I was thinking:
On the BT's Side:
Use Land Raider Crusader at later games with Terminators and/or Sword Brethren
Bring two eight man crusader squads with Meltaguns and Power Fists (or swords) in Drop Pods
Keep one HQ in each squad to give it some oomph in CC.
Possibly bring Neophytes to absorb a wound

IG side:
Use Vets and Company Command squad to lay down lots of fire with Plasma guns and autocannons/lascannons
Bring a Vanquisher with Pask on it. Wreak stuff.

Always wanted to start some black templars, but sisters of battle won out in the end. So I can't really help you with your black templar side. As far as I can tell though, you've got a good backfield presence with them, which is excellent, because that is IG's major weakness I've found.

Are you looking to field lots of infantry or lots of tanks? I think both could work well in this list if played well. The paskquisher however will probably not do well. It's incredibly expensive for what it does and rarely annihilates vehicles like you think it would. Usually, in the IG codex, your infantry kill the tanks, and the tanks kill infantry.

For example, you could take a small platoon with lascannon/plasma infantry squads, a lascannon HWS or 2, a PCS with meltas that you shove in a vendetta to drop behind enemy lines, and a CCS with a lascannon and master of ordinance (alternatively, you could use a vet squad in a chimera/vendetta instead of the suicide PCS) That would be a solid firebase, with a mobile unit to go after enemy armor. It'll hold it's home objective pretty well, and you've got enough lascannons to put a dent in enemy firepower early on. If you're wanting to be "competitive", an aegis defence line wouldnt be a bad investment either. Other options if you need your IG contingent to wreck armor would be a 5 man stormtrooper squad with meltaguns deepstriking in, more lascannons, or even a few chimeras moving up the board with plasma/meltavets and a CCS to match. You've got a fair bit of options on how to approach this OP.

EDIT: Just realize that allies will dramatically cut into points far faster than one would think. Most people don't like to take allies till 1850, so I would keep that in mind. Also, don't Black templars have plenty of great antitank at lower levels? Maybe in small games use BT solutions, and once you hit higher games start to slowly add in the IG. I've tried 1k-1500 ally lists before, and they're VERY hard to pull off without screwing them up.

Yes it can be done! Done it about 5 times and it works good. Vets or stormtroopers in a valk work, or a russ or two.

I actually do have a rough draft army list written up for my allies. If I posted it, would it help you guys? And I know a bit about BT to get me by, but I'm COMPLETELY new to IG. Never tinkered around with them, but I liked how they looked, so I wanna run them as well. I am not biased on running more infantry or more tanks, but I would like to lean more infantry heavy. I'm kind of basing my army off of the Helreach book, with a few add-ins of my own.

And yes, people do say BT have good, cheap anti tank options (Land Speeder Typhoons), but I hate using Land Speeders. They just don't work for my playstyle.

What about min-max bt squads, say 5 man 1 lascannon 1 plasma gun?

Nope. I do not like those either.

Yeah throw a list up in the lists forum and then throw a link to it in here.

Infantry shouldn't be too hard to do, just need to have enough so that when the bullets start flying you have enough bodies to take the hits.

Take a guard platoon. Who needs vets when you have marines?

Numbers are probably very important to this army.

Here it is:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/484994.page#4912884


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And I would rather have ballistic skill 4 than 3. Plus, they're probably cheaper than platoons.

If you're basing it off the Helsreach book, have you thought about grimaldus? He's one hell of a beatstick, when combined with the EC's rage and his own holy relic he gets 8 attacks with rerolls to hit on the charge at str 6, ap 4 is a drawback but the power maul is better against teq and geq

When I run him its with a boat-load of Initiates and Neophytes and foot slog it across the board, grimaldus' servitors also come in again with RZ adding 1 for each servitor alive.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
The paskquisher however will probably not do well. It's incredibly expensive for what it does and rarely annihilates vehicles like you think it would.

I have to agree, I've played against a vanquisher before and its main gun and lascannon didn't hit a thing all game. Good old LRBT's do plenty well with str 8 and ordnance large blast

Commented on the list thread. Not trying to be mean, just trying to provide you with some good advice about how to run the IG infantry. I've done pretty much every bad idea with them you can think of, so when I say something sucks, it's usually from experience

And just as an idea, if you change your mind about the paskquisher, try a leman russ executioner with plasma sponsons. 5 plasma blasts a turn on an AV 14. You'll start laughing evilly the first time you use it and not even realize it.

I have considered Grimaldus. He's a very good HQ, and I will consider him if my points allow me to do so.

And I know you aren't XD I appreciate the advice you give me though. My friend HappyGrunt told me a bit of your advice.

I have seen the power of the Executioner before, and the instant it got destroyed in our 2v2, I immediately missed it's presence on the field. But I need something that can also blast down Flyers as well as tanks.

For anti flyer with IG your best bet would be a vendetta, considered the most under-costed unit in the game right now, with 3xTL LC there is not better anti flyer unit, yet.

other than that an aegis line with LC or Quad gun, the aegis is also good for hiding a tank behind too

Ergh, I'd rather not use one of those. Not too keen on em. An aegis defense line would be fun. How many points for it an a quad gun?

How about Pask on a Exterminator? Does that work for a tank?

 Demdiddydizzy wrote:
Ergh, I'd rather not use one of those. Not too keen on em. An aegis defense line would be fun. How many points for it an a quad gun?

How about Pask on a Exterminator? Does that work for a tank?

quad gun is 50pts extra. Basically an immobile, shorter ranged hydra.

Also, an exterminator doesn't make a great substitute for AA. They're good, but not that good. I'd get the quadgun over the exterminator if what you're worried about is flyers.

Sounds like a decent price. What kind of leman russ variant should I run then? I want something to scare off those other tanks.

It would a lot easier to have the IG as the parent army.

I guess you'll want to go infantry or mech.

You can give platoons fearless or atsknf. This will give the black templar infantry models a great meat shield.

Else the only black templar options for nontyphoon nondroppod mech I would like are land raiders and potms vindicators. You can use your IG to fill the gaps with the chimeras.

Cheap typhoons are awesome. The best unit in 40k, and the one bit of really useful skyfire IG have is their aeroplanes and black templars desperately need skyfire.
If you swap over the allies and allied you can bring aeroplanes and lose the EC.

After the lumbering behemoth change, the best tanks I've used have been a Barebones Leman Russ (keep em cheap and take a lot of them) Exterminators with heavy bolter sponsons and maybe a lascannon, and the Executioner with plasma sponsons. Each fill a very different role, but are all very good tanks. The punisher can be fun with x3 heavy bolters, getting you 29 S5 shots, but it's not quite at the same level. Demolisher seems to slow to me now, and the other tanks all have some sort of shortfall that makes it hard for me to want to take them (vanquisher misses half the time, eradicator is terrible,etc)

It would be, but then again, I'm not making this competitive. Just a list to use for fun, and a list so I can run two awesome armies I want to play. But I do hate Typhoons. Waaaay to flimsy for my playstyle, they just seem like they're taking up valuable points to me. I would also rather like to keep the EC, I love his rules and stats.

Wouldn't Pask help the Vanquisher with the whole "missing half the time" thing?

Exterminators seem interesting. But I dunno. They seem overshadowed by the lascannons on the field.

 Demdiddydizzy wrote:
But I do hate Typhoons. Waaaay to flimsy for my playstyle, they just seem like they're taking up valuable points to me.

If anything Landspeeders have got stronger this edition, yeah 2 hull points does suck but it gained jink,
and being a fast vehicle there is never a reason to keep it still I certainly like them (they're my next purchase for my templars )

-sigh- Whelp, I guess I will give them another go if people are pushing them this much And what else am I gonna do with those four landspeeders I got laying around? Sure as hell not using them for terrain.

But I'm noticing how hard it is to include things I like about both armies at a small price range. I might have to reconsider this ally combination.

Actually, thought about something. Use the last 270ish points on another Vet squad and a few Land Speeder Typhoons (Yes, I'm cracking. I'll use the bloody things, see how they work)