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Hi I recently bought some marines from a friend and wanted to do a Blood Angels Army. Well the colour scheme I want shows that you need to start off with merchite red and coat the model with blood angels red, but most of the models like the dread and assault marines are coated in black and my other models are ok as I have stripped them with Dettol as they was a right mess and looked like blobs on legs.

Anyway my question is would I still be able to get the same effect on the models or would the black be to hard to paint red over as somethimes the black still shows. Here is the scheme I am going for http://www.thewaaaghstudios.com/images/about/galleryexamplelarge.jpg

Thanks

red over black is still possible but you will have to keep your paints very thin and do a lot of layers... i suggest for the base color to mix blood red and mechrite red to get a better coverage and a brighter shade of red!

like DijnsK says, painting red over black is tough. most red paints are on the translucent side and don't cover very well.

you could try a second layer of primer that's a lighter color, like white or light-gray or even red. you'll have to be careful to put it on thin, though, or you may cover up some detail on the model.

I always go with black undercoat. Like the other guys say, just build up thin layers. Khorne red, brown wash, khorne/merchite mix, merchite red. You only have to paint the armour. All the bits under the arms and in the neck and such all stay black, not white. I just think the black undercoat leads to a much better looking blood angel.


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Some people use a brown undercoat for red armour. Absolutely love this guy's blood ravens. Especially the red. He explains how he achieves it and it isn't too complicated.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/462525.page

Prior to Foundation paints, I'd have said to never paint red over black - coverage was terrible. But these days Citadel do some reds with great opaqueness.

I'd still do a test figure before making any bulk decisions though - you may still be better off stripping them and starting over.

 Clang wrote:
Prior to Foundation paints, I'd have said to never paint red over black - coverage was terrible.

I've pretty much always done red over a black undercoat. The trick is just to give it a base layer to work from...

This guy:

...was primered black, then given a layer of Beasty Brown, then Red gore, then Blood Red (or Bloody Red, can't remember for sure which I was using by that point)...

Thanks for all the advice. I mean I could strip them back to grey but after doing about 50 models already its cost me a fortune in money for Dettol and alot of time scrubbing and picking (and being very impatient). Well worth it but if its not needed its time I could spend painting. I think im just going to run with the thin layers and water down the reds till I get a good coverage. Might get the new citadel paints as mine are old and kind of go thicker and harder to paint with after a while.

Ill go with Isaniak on this one and go with Bestial Brown then the Blood Red, then carry on with the usual wash then highlight.

Thanks Again.

The answer is in How to Paint Citadel Miniatures where this very question is addressed.

To summarise:

1 black undercoat
2 pink, yes pink, first coat
3 red third coat which then takes properly on the pink
4 layer, drybrush, glaze to your heart's content thereafter.

Yes, you will have a workdesk that is briefly covered with pink SMs but it is worth it.
Try one and see what I mean....

Or just find Army Painter Red and do a couple light coats.

And a good part of the black showing through the red is probably a black wash over the red settling into the recesses.

Haha i like the idea of having my desk full of pink dreads and terminators. i have got some spare marines left over from a while back when they was giving them out for a tutorial in painting which i just kept so i will try it out and see how it goes. Im not the best painter but i want these to look the best army ive built. ive spent hours stripping the models till everything was off and then pulled their arm off and restuck carefully as the weapon hands look like they didnt have hold of the bolter haha. so thanks for he advice i suppose trial and error is the way to do it

I mustadmit I didn't believe it until I tried it.....it was unnerving


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I mustadmit I didn't believe it until I tried it.....it was unnerving