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So I just discovered that my nook can read PDF's(took me a year to figure that out)
I'm tired of having to decide what list to play before hand, because I have to print them.
So i decided to take most of my lists and convert them to PDF's and use whatever one I want on the fly.
I have two questions
1: Would you object to me using my Nook for my lists, Given the test is small that some may not be able to read it
2: Lets say find out someone is running a horde army, and I immediately switch to one designed to kill hordes, is this list tailoring?
And one other question
I also have the PDF's of updates and FAQ that are official GW PDF's, would I get in trouble using them on my nook at tourneys and such?

1. No
2. Definitely yes
3. Prolly not

2: Lets say find out someone is running a horde army, and I immediately switch to one designed to kill hordes, is this list tailoring?

Yes, that is list tailoring.

I have Battlescribe on my phone, I use that for listbuilding all the time, and yeah, I keep a couple of different (admittedly poorly labelled ^^ lists on hand, and switch which I use depending on the opponent.

It's only a low-level form of list tailoring, but yeah, it is a little bit tailory in that you're using knowledge of your opponent to pick your army. On the other hand, it's on the very low end of tailoring - it's not like you see, "Oh, he's playing a vindicator," and decide, "better use the anti-vindicator list!"

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I have Battlescribe on my phone, I use that for listbuilding all the time, and yeah, I keep a couple of different (admittedly poorly labelled ^^ lists on hand, and switch which I use depending on the opponent.

It's only a low-level form of list tailoring, but yeah, it is a little bit tailory in that you're using knowledge of your opponent to pick your army. On the other hand, it's on the very low end of tailoring - it's not like you see, "Oh, he's playing a vindicator," and decide, "better use the anti-vindicator list!"

I fail to see the difference between your example and " oh, he's playing a horde, better use the anti-hord list!".

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I have Battlescribe on my phone, I use that for listbuilding all the time, and yeah, I keep a couple of different (admittedly poorly labelled ^^ lists on hand, and switch which I use depending on the opponent.

It's only a low-level form of list tailoring, but yeah, it is a little bit tailory in that you're using knowledge of your opponent to pick your army. On the other hand, it's on the very low end of tailoring - it's not like you see, "Oh, he's playing a vindicator," and decide, "better use the anti-vindicator list!"

You are list tailoring and trying to excuse it for yourself internally. If you find yourself finding reasons why something you're doing is ok, it's because the angel on your shoulder is nudging you. If you come to a club with multiple tailored lists that you will pick from after meeting your opponent, you aren't looking for a game. You are looking for a win.

... So, it's your opinion that I should cripple myself by taking meltaguns against Orks, because the list I made before leaving the house happens to use them?

That's blatantly ridiculous.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that you use the same army list in every single game, no matter if you're facing grey knights or orks? Gods, but that sounds dull!

So yeah. I use a list that favours anti-horde weapons against Orks or 'nids. More than once (admittedly mostly in 5th edition), that's come back to bite me on the backside because, for example, the Ork player has brought multiple Nobz Mobs, Dredz and Lootas instead of hundreds of boys. Am I really WAAC list tailoring if I don't make my decisions based on what I know is in the army, just what I know is in the codex?

I don't play WAAC. I win my games through careful application of tactics and a lot of luck. An extra flamer or two isn't going to change things that much - especially when most of my opponents alter their lists when they realise they're facing Sisters too!

"So, it's your opinion that I should cripple myself by taking meltaguns against Orks"
-Taking some meltas cripples you

"An extra flamer or two isn't going to change things that much"
-Switching them for flamers, no big deal for Orks

Note how your opinion completely flips depending on whether or not it benefits yourself . . .

List tailoring is simply picking/building your list to maximize your power against a particular opponent. If you bring multiple lists, and choose the best one against whichever opponent . . . you are list tailoring. Plain and simple. You list tailor. If you wish to do so or see no problem in it, no big deal. Carry on. Trying to explain it as "low-level" tailoring makes it obvious that you are uncomfortable with the stigma tailoring carries and wish to avoid it while tailoring yourself. You can't have both. Tailor and carry the stigma that comes with it or don't. Trying to pretend you're not makes you look foolish.

Most friendly gamers I know switch up their list constantly but always bring one all-comers list.

I take your stigma and throw it out the window, there is no stigma in my area against what I do.

I'm not trying to defend myself. I'm trying to point out that your way of thinking is inherently flawed.

Also, yes. It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind.

"I take your stigma and throw it out the window, there is no stigma in my area against what I do."

It's not my stigma, whatever that means. No one person makes a stigma.

"I'm not trying to defend myself. I'm trying to point out that your way of thinking is inherently flawed. "

You pointed out nothing flawed, you underlined the fact that you feel it is fair as long as it is advantageous for you but unfair if it is not advantageous for you.

"Also, yes. It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind."

And now you are hiding behind your gender. You didn't change your mind, your style of playing is completely self centered and that was 100% consistent. That is what your own words say blatantly without any twisting, word for word.

If list tailoring is normal in your play environment there's nothing wrong with it.
In some play environments it's considered bad manners, as people are preparing for tournaments and therefore bring "all comers lists" which are designed to do well against a range of opponents.

Both are fairly valid forms of playing, it's just that they don't interact well so it's always good to check what the local scene is like before getting involved.

I have to agree with 60mm changing your army when you see what your facing is list tailoring plain and simple.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I take your stigma and throw it out the window, there is no stigma in my area against what I do.

I'm not trying to defend myself. I'm trying to point out that your way of thinking is inherently flawed.

Also, yes. It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind.

You ARE tailoring, which around here is cheating. It got so bad around here that our weekly matches require everyone to lay out a premade list. Then we roll to see who plays whom. You pick up your opponents list and head to your table. One table rolls once for mission and once for deployment and off we all go. That way people like Furyou can't try to gain an upper hand by cheating their opponent out of an honest game.

There is nothing flawed about his logic. You saw what the opponent was fielding, and you chose a specific list to counter him.

Indeed, that is pretty much the definition of list tailoring. Which I am fine with IF your opponent gets to do the same. I often set up games where my opponent knows what race I am fielding in advance, and it's a fun exercise. In fact, it actually makes me up my game, as I try to find original ways to play my armies to outwit my opponent's expectations.

It is NOT, however, ok if you are doing it and your opponent does not know about it. Surely you can see how it's an unfair advantage to you, and a major one. If you want to do it and be fair about it, how about you give your opponent 10 mins to come up with a list given he knows what race you are playing. Particularly if you are something like an SM codex, where you have the versitility to really get some really specialized anti-horde/anti-elite equipment. Part of the challenge of list building is to find a good balance between all possible opponents. And part of the risk of playing a specialized list is that you are only good at countering one type of opponent. Remove that risk, and you just gave yourself a huge unfair advantage.

Also, a "woman's prerogative to change her mind?". Wow. Really? A sexist woman in a war gaming hobby? Nice one. Do you also claim to run over the point limit with your lists because you are "not good at math"? These sort of views are really not helping gender equality, in an subculture that's struggling enough with it as it is.

 Lobukia wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I take your stigma and throw it out the window, there is no stigma in my area against what I do.

I'm not trying to defend myself. I'm trying to point out that your way of thinking is inherently flawed.

Also, yes. It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind.

You ARE tailoring, which around here is cheating. It got so bad around here that our weekly matches require everyone to lay out a premade list. Then we roll to see who plays whom. You pick up your opponents list and head to your table. One table rolls once for mission and once for deployment and off we all go. That way people like Furyou can't try to gain an upper hand by cheating their opponent out of an honest game.

We used to do that method as well, it's fantastic for preventing list tailoring. I think now we've just gotten so accustomed to it that we don't try and pull any shenanigans like that.

As to the OP, I would definitely say that switching out for an anti-horde list is list tailoring, and you're liable to get caught eventually ("Man, hotsauceman lucked out with ANOTHER list that's conveniently tailored to beating his opponent? What luck!"). I'd also like to add that you might get some flak for using pdfs. I've actually started doing the same thing - I got sick of printing out a new list every week and decided to just bring up my laptop, and use a PDF instead. There was one guy who said, "Dude, seriously? You have to print out your list, how do I know you didn't switch out for an anti-horde list right before we play?"

While I do no such thing, since I run pretty much the same list every week with only minor variations, it's the outside possibility that someone could do it that scares people.