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There's not a lot of fluff (that i have seen anyway) about them charging out into combat, leading chaos crusades etc. I think i might have sussed why.

I think i am right in thinking that if you say a Daemons real name you can banish it?

...Everyone knows the primarchs names....how do you NOT recognise a Daemon primarch leading his legion to war?

Can you imagine the rules for it?

Primarch Daemon enters play - ROAR!!!

On a 2+ a random marine remembers the name of one of the most foul traitors the galaxy has ever known and shouts it out - Daemon prmarch is banished and is removed as a casualty.

Doh.

Except for the battle of the fang, for instance, in which magnus charged into battle against bjorn, a dude who'd personally been at Prospero and fought with him and a dozen odd other space puppies for a good thirty-forty pages of hand crafted space marine bootlicking bolter porn.

His name was probably shouted dramatically seven or eight times. Nothing happened.

Dude you just solved 10000 years of galatic war with just one post

This isn't D&D so you can feth them like regular deamons, I soppouse you have to be little more powerful then them to get them *banf*

I think that with the true name of the daemon (who says the name we know are the true ones?), the banishment requires a ritual, which complexity is linked to the power of the daemon you try to banish.

So on a 2+, a random marine sacrifices 2 planets and 10.000 Alpha level psykers, before failing to remember the correct banishment sentence. Doh.

"Klaatu....Was it Nikto Barada or..."

"Battle-brother! Nooooooo!"

/origin of Nugle's zombie virus.

True names weaken the daemon. That said, I think you've nailed a plot hole here.

Perhaps the daemon primarchs try to keep it a secret who they are. Perhaps they wear fake moustaches and glasses or carry huge, obnoxious signs saying "I am not a daemon primarch."

Fair enough. I've not read any fluff about the Daemon Primarchs but i remember at the end of Chapters Due an Ultramrines shouts out the real name of a Daemon prince and it screws him up so Marneus Calgar can banish it.

Where can i read about the battle of the fang?

 Praxiss wrote:
Fair enough. I've not read any fluff about the Daemon Primarchs but i remember at the end of Chapters Due an Ultramrines shouts out the real name of a Daemon prince and it screws him up so Marneus Calgar can banish it.

Where can i read about the battle of the fang?

In the space marine battles book of the same name. Long story short, the space wolves forget about the whole true name thing with magnus. The issue never comes up in that book.

The reason you don't see the daemon primarchs regularly leading crusades is because the politics of the warp take up the vast majority of their time. The fighting between the four gods, their aspects, avatars, and lesser entities across the warp is eternal, and being a daemon primarch puts you right in the middle of it. It's the reason Abaddon has refused princedom, because he knows once you're on "the other side", so to speak, your connection to the materium is drastically reduced, which would get in the way of his black crusade plans.

Daemon Primarch =/= Daemon.

The Daemon Primarchs are, fairly obviously - The Primarchs, blessed by the gods with more power than before. They are NOT Daemons in the traditional sense, before they fully embraced the power of the gods they existed in the materium.

A regular Daemon CAN be banished with a true name, but that's because regular Daemons are spawned in the warp, and can only enter the materium either through possession of a host body or other local means (warp rift, ritual etc.)

The difference, really, is that the Daemon Primarchs, having once existed in the materium, are not affected by that.

I hope I'm explaining this right...

In Chapters Due the Daemon Prince that gets banished is a traitor marine from the heresy.

SPOILER!!!!



They call out his real anme and POOF! weakened enoguh to be powerfisted back to the warp.

 Praxiss wrote:
In Chapters Due the Daemon Prince that gets banished is a traitor marine from the heresy.

SPOILER!!!!

Spoiler:

It's Erebus i think

They call out his real anme and POOF! weakened enoguh to be powerfisted back to the warp.

Isn't it M'kar?

I haven't read Chapter's Due, so I'm unaware of that...

 CuddlySquig wrote:

 Praxiss wrote:
In Chapters Due the Daemon Prince that gets banished is a traitor marine from the heresy.

SPOILER!!!!

Spoiler:

It's Erebus i think

They call out his real anme and POOF! weakened enoguh to be powerfisted back to the warp.

Isn't it M'kar?

Yes but M'Kars name, before he ascended to daemonhood.......

 Praxiss wrote:

 CuddlySquig wrote:

 Praxiss wrote:
In Chapters Due the Daemon Prince that gets banished is a traitor marine from the heresy.

SPOILER!!!!

Spoiler:

It's Erebus i think

They call out his real anme and POOF! weakened enoguh to be powerfisted back to the warp.

Isn't it M'kar?

Yes but M'Kars name, before he ascended to daemonhood.......

Was Maloq Kartho. Besides, even if daemon princes were once mortals, the primarchs are a whole different set of entities. Hence why we don't just label them as daemon princes.

jareddm wrote:

 Praxiss wrote:

 CuddlySquig wrote:

 Praxiss wrote:
In Chapters Due the Daemon Prince that gets banished is a traitor marine from the heresy.

SPOILER!!!!

Spoiler:

It's Erebus i think

They call out his real anme and POOF! weakened enoguh to be powerfisted back to the warp.

Isn't it M'kar?

Yes but M'Kars name, before he ascended to daemonhood.......

Was Maloq Kartho. Besides, even if daemon princes were once mortals, the primarchs are a whole different set of entities. Hence why we don't just label them as daemon princes.

Huh, I must be getting my fluff mixed up. Apologies.

Anyway, my original point stands. They called out his mortal name and that weakened him enough to be killed.

 Praxiss wrote:

jareddm wrote:

Was Maloq Kartho. Besides, even if daemon princes were once mortals, the primarchs are a whole different set of entities. Hence why we don't just label them as daemon princes.

Huh, I must be getting my fluff mixed up. Apologies.

Anyway, my original point stands. They called out his mortal name and that weakened him enough to be killed.

I don't argue that. I'm simply saying that what may banish one spawn of chaos may do nothing to another. The warp is a fickle thing.

I do not remember where I read this, but when mortals are elevated to daemonic status, they get a new "true name" from the god they serve.

Daemon Primarchs are just Daemon Princes with higher status.

They each have their own daemon world to rule over.

Fulgrim isn't a daemon prince. He has one inside him wearing his body. So his name isn't really Fulgrim anymore.

You need to know the daemons entire name. Usually an obnoxiously long muli-sylabic jumble that's nearly impossible to pronounce properly.

The main difference between daemon Primarchs and daemon princes is that the Primarchs have moved on to bigger and better things.

They have become avatars of the gods and have little or no use for the materium. With the exception of Angron, being the only Primarch to return to the material universe to take some heads.

I've heard some crap about the new Chaos codex claiming that the daemon Primarch are taking part in Black Crusades. If true it's one of the stupidest ideas GW has had in a while.

All daemon primarch's have had their names legally changed to Steve.

Don't tell anyone.

Also this is suprising plot hole I didn't think of.

There was something on Lexicanum that Angron was taking part in the first war of Armageddon and setting up shrines to Khorne as he rampaged the land as a way to keep his link to the Materium. So in short, yes your Daemon Primarchs have just as much troubles staying connected to the materium as your average daemon.

 DeffDred wrote:

Fulgrim isn't a daemon prince. He has one inside him wearing his body. So his name isn't really Fulgrim anymore.

Someone hasn't read The Reflection Crack’d yet...

jareddm wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

Fulgrim isn't a daemon prince. He has one inside him wearing his body. So his name isn't really Fulgrim anymore.

Someone hasn't read The Reflection Crack’d yet...

I've read everything. I just don't recall everything. Is that the one that talks about the painting that Fulgrim lives inside of?

Yeah I am fairly certain a person's true name is extremely different than their given name, atleast going with the classical magical traditions. It's supposed to be the name that somehow encapsulates all that you are.

So yeah, Demon Primarch Bob's True Name is not actually Bob. It's probably some unpronounceable string of words. What's more, it is very possible that one needs to actually understand the True Name, if even only in a subconscious level, to use it.

jareddm wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

Fulgrim isn't a daemon prince. He has one inside him wearing his body. So his name isn't really Fulgrim anymore.

Someone hasn't read The Reflection Crack’d yet...

Thank Snuggle Bunny for Lexicanum or I'd be tearing my hair out right now.

...Everyone knows the primarchs names....how do you NOT recognise a Daemon primarch leading his legion to war?

No, they don't. Very few in the Imperium know of Chaos, even less of the identities of the Traitor Primarchs or that the Horus Heresy ever happened. THe identities of the Daemon Primarchs are pretty much only the knowledge of the Space Marines and Inquisition.

 DeffDred wrote:

jareddm wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

Fulgrim isn't a daemon prince. He has one inside him wearing his body. So his name isn't really Fulgrim anymore.

Someone hasn't read The Reflection Crack’d yet...

I've read everything. I just don't recall everything. Is that the one that talks about the painting that Fulgrim lives inside of?

codemonkey wrote:

Spoiler:

Fulgrim is Fulgrim again, he defeated the daemon that took over him, forced it into the painting, and now serves Slaanesh wholeheartedly of his own free will. His fall to the dark side is complete.

More likely the author became uncomfortable with the idea that Fulgrim wasn't really Fulgrim.

 CuddlySquig wrote:

codemonkey wrote:

Spoiler:

Fulgrim is Fulgrim again, he defeated the daemon that took over him, forced it into the painting, and now serves Slaanesh wholeheartedly of his own free will. His fall to the dark side is complete.

More likely the author became uncomfortable with the idea that Fulgrim wasn't really Fulgrim.

Entirely possible, I did feel that the end of Fulgrim was a bit unsatisfactory because of that. Even if Fulgrim did make conscious choices, it seems more consistent with the universe (and imo better) that when important people fall to Chaos, they do so because they choose to do so, not because they're forced to against their will. Makes for a better story (again, imo).

The average Guardsman, though...he accidentally exposed to warp-taint, better shoot him to be on the safe side.

codemonkey wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

jareddm wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

Fulgrim isn't a daemon prince. He has one inside him wearing his body. So his name isn't really Fulgrim anymore.

Someone hasn't read The Reflection Crack’d yet...

I've read everything. I just don't recall everything. Is that the one that talks about the painting that Fulgrim lives inside of?

Spoiler:

Fulgrim is Fulgrim again, he defeated the daemon that took over him, forced it into the painting, and now serves Slaanesh wholeheartedly of his own free will. His fall to the dark side is complete.

Eh, I think