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With 6th ed out, I wonder (however far down the road the it may be) if a new IG Codex will make the DKoK the new base IG unit. The last few editions, the Cadians took the limelight (with the Eye of Terror campaign and what not), with all the other regiments on the back burner but still playable. What do you guys think? Or are the Kriegers destined to be a Forge World / Kit and Convert exclusive?

I think they are going to be a FW exclusive.

Who knows maybe we will see a return of a classic regiment made in plastic form. A Mordian/Peatorian kit would make a lot of sense

I really doubt they'll ever move away from Cadians. If they do actually make a new plastic kit, my money is on Catachan, even though I'd really love to see Steel Legion

Dkok is a forgeworld one, alongside elysians.

I kinda hope that the sight is put on some of the other regiments though.

I'd love to see them lose their molds for Catachan and make new ones for any other regiment.

If there were such a thing as plastic Mordians, I might have gone first party for my IG army (instead I did Wargames Factory Shock Troops).

I doubt it. Kreig has only the slightest mention in the current guard codex, and it didn't have much more than a picture of one in the old.

As much as FW and GW get close, they're still going to be two separate things.

Besides, Cadian equipment is used by a lot of other regiments. So it would make sense to continue having Cadians as the IG posterboys.

I think it is just as likely they will pick some minor player like they did with the Vostroyan.

I really, really hope not. DKoK are awesome because they're an all-FW army, and there's no way to make plastic DKoK (as you'd need for the core IG army) without destroying all that wonderful detail.

 Peregrine wrote:
I really, really hope not. DKoK are awesome because they're an all-FW army, and there's no way to make plastic DKoK (as you'd need for the core IG army) without destroying all that wonderful detail.

Not to mention that GW plastic DKoK would just ruin the proportions. DKoK and Elysians manage to look good because they look remotely proportionate, I'd rather not see that ruined.

GW plastics have become incredibly detailed in recent years and I have faith they could do a decent plastic kit.

 Dunwich wrote:
GW plastics have become incredibly detailed in recent years and I have faith they could do a decent plastic kit.

They couldn't. No amount of skill at making new plastics can change the fact that plastic molds can't do undercuts, extremely fine detail, etc, that the current DKoK models have. Plastic ones might not be bad as the worst ancient plastic kits GW still sells, but they'd still be a huge step down in quality.

Hopefully not as they present great creative potential as a fringe army. I am building a Krieg type army now using a mix of Wargames Factory , GW and FW elements for the builds. Kitbashing is great fun as is developing the fluff and style of the army. Of course this army will never be used in competition, but just among friends.

Insurgency Walker wrote:I think it is just as likely they will pick some minor player like they did with the Vostroyan.

Vostroyans are still a fairly new army, and they are the only one that GW has been "pushing" for alongside Cadians in the recent years, so that'd be my guess as well.

I do not think such a change would come soon, but if one army is going to replace Cadians, imho it'd be them.

 Lynata wrote:
Vostroyans are still a fairly new army, and they are the only one that GW has been "pushing" for alongside Cadians in the recent years,

That's why the Vostroyans have so many special characters in the Guard Codex.

the best thing GW could do for the IG is give us 3 new boxed sets/styles of IG

A base one with Cadian/Catachan varients (heads arms etc.) ge rid of the nid beater shirts, but give them shortsleeves etc to look jungle-ly.

A great coat / overcoat guard, for steel legion, Valahllans, with easy weapon or head swaps.

A parade ground looking guard, for Preatorians/ Mordians, again easy headswaps or weapons.

These 3 basic types would vastly increase modeling options, and likely IG sales, and bring some old miniture lines into the current style of plastic kits.

I would bu so many Steel legion, and Preatorians it would be sick

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:

These 3 basic types would vastly increase modeling options, and likely IG sales, and bring some old miniture lines into the current style of plastic kits.

Molds are wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too expensive to justify this.

and yet they make new plastic kits all the time, the new trenchline, stormtalons, new chaos creatures etc...cost of molds and the return of said costs would be pretty easy in a IG expansion, since the sheer amount of minis involved in a IG army.

Compared to how many trenchlines etc they may sell...seems a no brainer.

It's not just about how many they'll sell, you have to consider how many they'll sell compared to the existing plastic kits. If the new ones aren't going to out-sell the Cadians then why invest that much time and money into something that's just an alternate aesthetic option when you could be spending that time and money on new units?

yes , I know, just like adding a blood drop and a skull on a marine makes a new kit, all it needs is some good rules and some nice models to make sales, same as all the various flavors of marines, witch all have their own molds etc, and I have seen plenty of IG players to justify even a moderate expansion of the line, but meh..its a moot point and all of the "this is too expensive blah blah always crops up"
the lack of variety is why the IG are the most commonly modified, aftermarketed, scratchbuilt army in 40k (or so I have seen)

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
and yet they make new plastic kits all the time, the new trenchline, stormtalons, new chaos creatures etc...cost of molds and the return of said costs would be pretty easy in a IG expansion, since the sheer amount of minis involved in a IG army.

Compared to how many trenchlines etc they may sell...seems a no brainer.

Marines sell. People will always buy marine stuff. #1 moneymaking army for GW.

Specialized marine codices sell because they're marines. With separate codices.

Specialized guardsmen would not sell enough to be worth it because they are neither marines nor are they involved in separate codices.

Catachans barely sell compared to cadians, and cadians are convertible enough to where people buy them all the time just to convert them into other regiments. GW doesn't need a new line that might or might not sell; if people want to play guard, they have their two choices. Like it or leave it, GW seems to think. If they were intent on keeping other regiments around, they probably wouldn't have phased out the Steel Legion, Mordians, Praetorians, Valhallans, etc...

If anything; Valhallans or Steel Legion have a slight chance of plastic; Valhallans moreso because they have popularity from the Cain books, they have a SC already in the Codex, and they wouldn't be redundant with any GW/FW line (Steel Legion -> DKOK)

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
yes , I know, just like adding a blood drop and a skull on a marine makes a new kit

And you found the important part: a "new" marine kit can often be made by just modifying the old ones a bit, which is entirely different from creating two entire alternate IG armies from scratch.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
yes , I know, just like adding a blood drop and a skull on a marine makes a new kit

And you found the important part: a "new" marine kit can often be made by just modifying the old ones a bit, which is entirely different from creating two entire alternate IG armies from scratch.

They dont just recut a old mold, in so far as the bloodangels, space wolves etc are concerned , they are actually different sculpts, requiring a new injection mold, and unless the old one is no longer in use, then it is a brand new one, might be easier from a initial design standpoint for the sculptors, the the die cutting is the same..but again its pointless, easier to scratchbuild your own and adapt what you can, maybe everyone just needs to play marines..would make GW's life alot easier.