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Which legal choices from the BRB ally matrix would maximize 'fluff rage' from an opponent who really cared about such things?

Eldar/Slaaneshi Chaos

EldarxChaos in general is pretty whack, but seeing a Daemon prince with MoS surrounded by noise marines fighting side by side with Craftworld Eldar would make me flip the table.

Tau and chaos, even though tau are unaffected by the warp, it just seems weird to me.

It has been mentioned on here before, but the idea of Farsight working with Orks in any capacity is just stupid.

I mean he gives his army Preferred Enemy: Orks and they can Ally?

But for me what makes the least sense is the Black Templars, especially after reading Hellsreach. In the novel they
Which results in them being desperate Allies? So to answer your question, I think BT with Eldar would make a BT player rage. Xenos are meant to be stabbed repeatedly with swords, not allied with!

4TheG8erGood wrote:
I

But for me what makes the least sense is the Black Templars, especially after reading Hellsreach. In the novel they

Spoiler:

make their last stand side by side with Sisters of Battle

Which results in them being desperate Allies? So to answer your question, I think BT with Eldar would make a BT player rage. Xenos are meant to be stabbed repeatedly with swords, not allied with!

I KNOW! Even before 6th, I always wanted to have some Sisters with my Templars to represent the Vinculus Crusade. They should have been battle brothers!

sisters and eldar is just stupid as well -.-

I am almost certain you can do Pedro Kantor fighting side by side with orks.

Necrons and Orks seems like a really weird one to me. That being said I know nothing of the current Necron fluff so I dunno what's occurred that could allow for this, but it still just seems really strange.

Ghazzy and Creed BFF.

 Macok wrote:
Ghazzy and Yarrick BFF.

Fixed that for you.

Creed and Ghaz have never fought one another as far as I'm aware.

What did I write? Oh yeah..

Edit: Extra stupid today..

It's all good. I plan on doing that one day just to mess with the guys who are real sticklers at my club some day.

And besides, out of all the ones mentioned here, it's actually pretty likely. The whole "I'm going to be the one to kill him" thing would make a great story for a game. Say there's a Chaos space marine warband closing in. Yarrick realizes that the chaos marines will kill Ghazgkull instead of letting him do it, so he orders his guardsmen to intercept. Ghazzy sees Yarrick running in, and realizes that he's missing all the fun, so he orders his orks into the fray.

Would make an awesome themed army.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
It's all good. I plan on doing that one day just to mess with the guys who are real sticklers at my club some day..

This is what I'm planning. I've got the models to do combinations with the following armies:

Daemons
Eldar
Tau
Dark Eldar (not too many of these)
Space Marines (I'd paint these to match whatever chapter would be most rage-inducing)
Orcs

Just for discussion, if you know you're going to be playing someone who is really into the fluff, would building your list to enrage him count as list tailoring?

Only if you're doing it to win.

4TheG8erGood wrote:

But for me what makes the least sense is the Black Templars, especially after reading Hellsreach. In the novel they

Spoiler:

make their last stand side by side with Sisters of Battle

Which results in them being desperate Allies?

I know, it's outlandish. They're both Roman Catholic, you think they'd be natural buddies.

I thought the black templars and sisters of battle have clashed several times due to differing religious views. Isn't it the same reason why the sisters of battle disagree with most other space marine chapters, as they don't see the emperor as a god, but more as a great leader?

If so, that would explain why they disagree so much.

 Ronin wrote:
Necrons and Orks seems like a really weird one to me. That being said I know nothing of the current Necron fluff so I dunno what's occurred that could allow for this, but it still just seems really strange.

Yeah in 3rd edition it was suggested that one of the Races created by the Old Ones to defeat the Necrons was the "Krork" which many believed to be a precursor to the Orks and Kroot or possibly the mythical "Brain Boyz". However, with the 5th edition codex, this is all gone.

The Sisters are also an extension of the Ecclesiarchy, and I can't imagine them getting along with people who don't listen to the Ecclesiarchy or give a damn what the Ecclesiarchy thinks.

I imagine a chapter with 7000 + marines would give a priest a fit.

The Sisters and the Black Templars have fought together on a number of occasions. The Black Templars have a battle banner honouring them. And that's just the GW fluff.
On the other hand, there is nothing (to my knowledge) that even suggest they ever had any issues with one another.

On the flipside ... Sisters and Space Wolves, aka religious nutjobs versus heretic werewolves. Major issues on topics such as Inquisitorial authority, penitence and the role of the church. Fought one another for several weeks on Fenris as the Ecclesiarchy sent a punitive crusade in response to the Wolves murdering a bunch of inquisitive priests with their fortress cannons.

But apparently they get along well splendidy, at least if you go by the chart.

Makes about as much sense as an alliance with Dark Eldar.

BlaxicanX wrote:
Eldar/Slaaneshi Chaos

EldarxChaos in general is pretty whack, but seeing a Daemon prince with MoS surrounded by noise marines fighting side by side with Craftworld Eldar would make me flip the table.

My thoughts exactly.

Necrons and Blood Angels....


( Sorry, had to)

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:

4TheG8erGood wrote:
I

But for me what makes the least sense is the Black Templars, especially after reading Hellsreach. In the novel they

Spoiler:

make their last stand side by side with Sisters of Battle

Which results in them being desperate Allies? So to answer your question, I think BT with Eldar would make a BT player rage. Xenos are meant to be stabbed repeatedly with swords, not allied with!

I KNOW! Even before 6th, I always wanted to have some Sisters with my Templars to represent the Vinculus Crusade. They should have been battle brothers!

At the risk of an argument starting that nobody will back down from, when you really look at it, the Black Templars and Sisters have similar thematic elements (fanatical religious warriors), but entirely opposite ideologies. We fought crusades for two centuries between fanatical Christians and fanatical Muslims over a city in the middle of the desert.

The Sisters and Black Templars occupy that space. They both believe in essentially the same thing (the Imperium), but in fundamentally different ways. Direct opposition almost. The Sisters believe in the divinity of the Emperor and the sanctity of the Imperial Cult, whereas the Templars are fanatical devotees to the original vision of the Emperor, to the point where they've made it a religion. In the end, the Sisters are agents of the Ecclesiarchy, whereas the Templars are a highly secretive, fanatical "chapter" of Space Marines operating by their own doctrines and rules in direct and flagrant opposition to the organizational limitations placed by the Codex Astartes. The last thing that Space Marines want around is a bunch of nosy, self-righteous Ecclesiarchal agents. Black Templars would not only share this belief, but it would be enhanced by their radical quasi-religious devotion to the Emperor's Truth, suspicion of the Imperial Cult, and the fact that the Black Templars have a lot to hide.

I really like my GK and Necron allied army but I don't see any fluff support for GK to align with Necrons.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
I really like my GK and Necron allied army but I don't see any fluff support for GK to align with Necrons.

Pretty sure there's a circle of hell designated for those that play that combo..... I'd straight up stab you if I had to play you, then rip out my eyes and proclaim victory for the Emperor over my bloody body.

Either kind of Eldar and Chaos, BA (Tycho) and Orks, SM (Pedro) and Orks, Tau (Farsight) and Orks, either kind of Eldar and Necron, BT and anything not Imperial, DE and SW,

Eldar and Dark Eldar being Battle Brothers. That just makes no sense, considering how much the two sides hate each other in the fluff. And the little things like like Incubi needing to defeat an Aspect Warrior and shatter their soulstones before "graduating".

Dark Eldar being Desperate Allies of Chaos Marines is something that does pop out at me too, (although others in this thread have pointed out more glaring oddities), since in the fluff Dark Eldar will happily ally with Chaos Marines in exchange for slaves and spoils without requiring either side to have its back up against a wall.

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
Tau and chaos, even though tau are unaffected by the warp, it just seems weird to me.

I actually started a Chaos and Tau list. The way I've described the fluff is that they enslaved the blue bastards and pretty much broke their will over months and months of physical and psychic torture to both the warriors and to the Ethereal that they captured. After about a year or so of constant abuse, the Ethereal's defenses lowered for just a split second, long enough for the resident Sorcerors on the ship to force their way into his mind and tear open his soul for the Chaos Gods to corrupt. The Ethereal went flying rodent gak insane when Khorne got there first, broke free from his chains and attacked the guy that happened to be there that day. When the rest of the Tau firewarrios saw that A) Their beloved leader was broken, and B) Saw their beloved leader nearly beat the unholy gak out of a Lord of Khorne, they lost faith in the Greater Good and that opened the way for the Dark Apostles to begin planting the seeds of corruption in them.
Now, one of my Tau sergeants (forget what they're called ) wants to become a badass so he let the Dark Apostles help convince Khorne to possess someone with a soul as insignificant as a Tau. He didn't get any stat boosts, because his soul isn't important enough for the Dark Gods to actually care about, but he's now just as angry as any Khornate Berzerker. He has a chainsword in one hand, pulse rifle in the other, and always issues a challenge as if he was a Champion of Chaos.

I know it's probably not the most logical of reasons, but damn it I'm trying.



(Also, it's not that Tau aren't affected by the Warp, it's that their souls are like lightning bugs compared to a lightbulb.)

 Darth Bob wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:
Eldar/Slaaneshi Chaos

EldarxChaos in general is pretty whack, but seeing a Daemon prince with MoS surrounded by noise marines fighting side by side with Craftworld Eldar would make me flip the table.

My thoughts exactly.

+1

BlaxicanX wrote:
Eldar/Slaaneshi Chaos

EldarxChaos in general is pretty whack, but seeing a Daemon prince with MoS surrounded by noise marines fighting side by side with Craftworld Eldar would make me flip the table.

I'm thinking more specific. Dark eldar and Slaaneshi Chaos Daemons. Because they can ally.


Basically Slaanesh killed every single dark eldar spare a few that escaped into the warp. Slaanesh feeds on their souls and slowly kills them off.....

But all of the sudden slaanesh calls these guys up and is like "hey so we need help killing things, and if you die in battle your soul will be eternally tortured to entertain my pleasure."

And all the DE are just like "I would love to have my soul eternally tortured! Count me in! Glad you guys called"

Black Templars and anybody with psychic powers, Necrons and anybody, Dark Eldar and anybody (except maybe Orks, mercenaries and such), Tau and Chaos. Tyranids and anybody would be absurd, I'm glad they're not allowing that...