What Ally combinations would be the worst, fluff-wise

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**d3m01iti0n**

Anything outside of Imperium alliances are absurd. Thats the point of Warhammer; everybody is at war with each other.

Im sure BT and SoB arent Battle Brothers because during playtesting the combination of two crappy out of date armies gave birth to such an unprecedented destructive force that GW had to put the kibosh to it.

**TechMarine1**

What about Calgary/Kantor/Lysander/etc being best buds with Aun'el?

**Ailaros**

Yeah, obviously the slaanesh+eldar is the worst. I'd also think that, for similar reasons, eldar+dark eldar would be pretty bad. I have no idea whatsoever why those two got battle brothers. It would be like in the Civil War the north and south got together after the battle of Antietam and decided to put aside their differences and attack Poland.

I have a lot of GK players at my store, so naturally I've seen a few stinkers. GK+Tau? Really? Why would a Tau commander POSSIBLY ally with grey knights? I mean, when the battle is over, the justicar is totally going to come over, give the shas'o a high five and thank him for the nice job his firewarrors did...

It's an insult to tau.

Secondly, I've faced off against a GK+Necron list. When I saw it being deployed across from me, I died a little inside.

**NecronLord3**

I think if Tasty Taste's sources are correct and we see an Imperial/Tau explination fully flushed out fluff wise. The GK Tau connection will make the most sense, as Inquisitors would be the most knowledgable on the Emperors great hope for defeat of Chaos. If GW doesn't support the Battle Brothers connection between SM and Tau, it will continue to just be odd.

I feel that GW gave the best explination for an odd alliance when they explained Tyranids alligning with different race in Apocalypse, but I scrath my head and why they excluded them from all alliances.

**Zweischneid**

I think Space Marines/IG and Chaos Daemon/Chaos Marines are the worst. They already exist ad nausea in the fluff. Anyone in a creative hobby like this should be ashamed of plunging for such an unimaginative option.

The more exotic the better for the game and the gaming community.

**BlaxicanX**

Zweischneid wrote:
I think Space Marines/IG and Chaos Daemon/Chaos Marines are the worst. They already exist ad nausea in the fluff. Anyone in a creative hobby like this should be ashamed of plunging for such an unimaginative option.

The more exotic the better for the game and the gaming community.

lol

**Andilus Greatsword**

While not as heretical as some of the other suggestions, Space Wolves + Dark Angels. As much as I'd love some cheap, scoring Terminators, I couldn't ally with those oath-breakers!

**hotsauceman1**

White scars and dark eldar.
I almost made that army.

**CrashCanuck**

xSPYXEx wrote:
Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
Tau and chaos, even though tau are unaffected by the warp, it just seems weird to me.

I actually started a Chaos and Tau list. The way I've described the fluff is that they enslaved the blue bastards and pretty much broke their will over months and months of physical and psychic torture to both the warriors and to the Ethereal that they captured. After about a year or so of constant abuse, the Ethereal's defenses lowered for just a split second, long enough for the resident Sorcerors on the ship to force their way into his mind and tear open his soul for the Chaos Gods to corrupt. The Ethereal went flying rodent gak insane when Khorne got there first, broke free from his chains and attacked the guy that happened to be there that day. When the rest of the Tau firewarrios saw that A) Their beloved leader was broken, and B) Saw their beloved leader nearly beat the unholy gak out of a Lord of Khorne, they lost faith in the Greater Good and that opened the way for the Dark Apostles to begin planting the seeds of corruption in them.
Now, one of my Tau sergeants (forget what they're called ) wants to become a badass so he let the Dark Apostles help convince Khorne to possess someone with a soul as insignificant as a Tau. He didn't get any stat boosts, because his soul isn't important enough for the Dark Gods to actually care about, but he's now just as angry as any Khornate Berzerker. He has a chainsword in one hand, pulse rifle in the other, and always issues a challenge as if he was a Champion of Chaos.

I know it's probably not the most logical of reasons, but damn it I'm trying.

(Also, it's not that Tau aren't affected by the Warp, it's that their souls are like lightning bugs compared to a lightbulb.)

I actually had an idea to have Chaos with Tau allies as well with Farsight being the one that was corrupted. My reasoning for it was that in a previous game with my GK my Librarian used Warp Rift and got Farsight sucked into the warp. As resistant as tau may be to the warp in general, being bodily thrown into the warp will still probably get you corrupted.

**tuiman**

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NecronLord3 wrote:
I really like my GK and Necron allied army but I don't see any fluff support for GK to align with Necrons.

Pretty sure there's a circle of hell designated for those that play that combo..... I'd straight up stab you if I had to play you, then rip out my eyes and proclaim victory for the Emperor over my bloody body.

Haha, I changed my location to represent the part of hell I am from for playing grey knight and necron cheese.However, I only reserve it for the most serious of cutthroat tournies though and would never use it in friendly play

**wuestenfux**

Proper allies for Necrons do not exist.

The same will hold for DE. DE and Eldar cannot go along. Here I think about Dark Elves having hatred vs. High Elves.

**Xeriapt**

I think Eldar and chaos in any form tops it.

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wuestenfux wrote:
Proper allies for Necrons do not exist.

The same will hold for DE. DE and Eldar cannot go along. Here I think about Dark Elves having hatred vs. High Elves.

There have been instances where they work together. A story from the DE codex comes to mind in which the DE help their brethren because they think their anguished dabling in necromany is humerous.

So you could see it as DE ally with people because of their own selfish ends.

**NecronLord3**

wuestenfux wrote:
Proper allies for Necrons do not exist.

The same will hold for DE. DE and Eldar cannot go along. Here I think about Dark Elves having hatred vs. High Elves.

There are explanations that are plausible for the Necrons to Allie with Tyranids, IG, Chaos, and Eldar. And in fact GW could have choose to expand more on the existence of the Deceiver to represent his abilities to trick armies into fighting for the Necrons that would acutally make an alliance for the Necrons with any army except maybe Daemons.

Necrons have been rumored to be connected to the Tyranids through the possibility that the Tyranids are a construct of the Outsider. Or simply that Necron and Tyranids goals do not interfere with there fore they would be able to fight alongside one another without directly interfering with each other is a type of alliance.

The Deceiver once posed as an Imperial Governor and could be directing IG units to work, in a manner, with the Necrons.

Necrons began in the 40k universe as Chaos Androids. So an alliance with Chaos is not far fetched with me and I believe Chaos to be powerful enough to corrupt the physical machinery the Necrons are made from.

There is also the aspect of the Deceiver representing the Laughing God in the Eldar lore and he could take that form to lead or direct Eldar to work with Necrons.

However, GW instead decided to make Necrons buddy buddy with Space Marines? Which makes no sense at all.

**Kid_Kyoto**

BlaxicanX wrote:
Eldar/Slaaneshi Chaos

EldarxChaos in general is pretty whack, but seeing a Daemon prince with MoS surrounded by noise marines fighting side by side with Craftworld Eldar would make me flip the table.

I dunno, the easy answer is these particular Eldar are in the process of falling.

For the same reason I wish they allowed CSM and SM to ally.

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Xeriapt wrote:
I think Eldar and chaos in any form tops it.

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wuestenfux wrote:
Proper allies for Necrons do not exist.

The same will hold for DE. DE and Eldar cannot go along. Here I think about Dark Elves having hatred vs. High Elves.

There have been instances where they work together. A story from the DE codex comes to mind in which the DE help their brethren because they think their anguished dabling in necromany is humerous.

So you could see it as DE ally with people because of their own selfish ends.

Here again, it could be Eldar in the process of falling, or Eldar/Dark Eldar having some sort 'my brother and I against the world' moment. They hate each other sure, but they hate the lesser races more. I can see them allying if some third force was about to dishonor/pollute an ancient Eldar site.

**Szeras**

Ronin wrote:
Necrons and Orks seems like a really weird one to me. That being said I know nothing of the current Necron fluff so I dunno what's occurred that could allow for this, but it still just seems really strange.

In the necron fluff, they will side with anyone who has a common goal as them at the time, also it depends heavily on the story you decide to make for yourself.

**Zande4**

NecronLord3 wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:
Proper allies for Necrons do not exist.

The same will hold for DE. DE and Eldar cannot go along. Here I think about Dark Elves having hatred vs. High Elves.
There are explanations that are plausible for the Necrons to Allie with Tyranids, IG, Chaos, and Eldar. And in fact GW could have choose to expand more on the existence of the Deceiver to represent his abilities to trick armies into fighting for the Necrons that would acutally make an alliance for the Necrons with any army except maybe Daemons.

Necrons have been rumored to be connected to the Tyranids through the possibility that the Tyranids are a construct of the Outsider. Or simply that Necron and Tyranids goals do not interfere with there fore they would be able to fight alongside one another without directly interfering with each other is a type of alliance.

The Deceiver once posed as an Imperial Governor and could be directing IG units to work, in a manner, with the Necrons.

Necrons began in the 40k universe as Chaos Androids. So an alliance with Chaos is not far fetched with me and I believe Chaos to be powerful enough to corrupt the physical machinery the Necrons are made from.

There is also the aspect of the Deceiver representing the Laughing God in the Eldar lore and he could take that form to lead or direct Eldar to work with Necrons.

However, GW instead decided to make Necrons buddy buddy with Space Marines? Which makes no sense at all.

They interfere a bit because they erase all the bio-mass with their de-materializing weapons xD.

If you use these guys you could make a tyranid alliance plausible with any human, ork, eldar or tau force.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cortex_Leech#.UKA9oIlhic0

**-Loki-**

d3m01iti0n wrote:
Anything outside of Imperium alliances are absurd. Thats the point of Warhammer; everybody is at war with each other.

Chaos Marines use Daemons frequently. Dark Eldar and Eldar, despite their misgivings, will work together. Ork mercenaries that will grudgingly (on both sides) work for the Imperium have existed in the fluff for a long time. Eldar have worked with the Imperium in the fluff (if only to the advantage of the Eldar). Tau and Imperial Guard have allied against the Tyranids, as have Necrons and Blood Angels.

Alliances as a whole have been part of the 40k setting for a long time, regardless of how silly some new examples have gotten. Not to the point of entire races allying with each other, but allies on the battlefield to accomplish a common goal. And that's all you need for 40k, as 40k games are about a battle, nothing more.

Some ally types on the chart are a little wonky, but on the whole it's a pretty good representation.

**Bobthehero**

^ To add to that, rebellious IG regiment have joined the CSM or summoned demons to help them during the fight, normal SM can be fresh renegades joining an older Chaos Warband.

**Barrywise**

Creed and Fateweaver all the way