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Hey guys i made a small Helghast IG force a few months back and they would make a perfect allies detachment for my CSM so a CCS a plasma vet squad with a HW (lascannon) Hydra and a 10 man infiltrating unit of Stormies give them some plasmas they will be a great distraction as my NM and cultists advance up the field. The CCS and Vets bubble wrap my predators and the hydra and the hydra gives me very goot anti air is this a decent idea ?

Sounds good to me.

My current army plan is plague marines backed with 2 lots of meltavets and a plasma ccs along with a lone vendetta to reinforce a pair of heldrakes

Lose the lascannon in the plasma vets. Plasma and lascannon, although flexible, is VERY expensive, and you wont get your points worth out of it. use the 20 points from that to put 2 meltas or 4 snipers/flamers/gl in the CCS. or put 10 points into a power weapon for the stormies. I usually have decent luck with them in close combat and the power weapon really helps them.

So lascannon out, PW in stormies, and 2 GL or snipers in the CCS.

10 stormies is a large and expensive force, also not quite worth the bang. Id take out 2-4 (leaves you with 2 plasmas, a sergent and 3 hot shot lasgunners minimmum) which is a decent size. Put the points back into your CSM list or possibly add another vet squad.

Id also recomend outflanking the stormies. They outflank, shoot, (hopefully pin), and brace to be charged. But the stratagy usualy works well for me. They still kindof work as a distraction, but are much more effective.

Can we see the helghast models?

The hydra is a bad idea. 75 points of crappiness.

Vets on foot aren't a good idea, especially when you've made them so expensive. If you want anti-air, grab a Vendetta instead of the hydra, move the LC to the CCS and throw the Vets in the Vedetta. It'll kill 2 birds with one stone.

Theres a pic in my gallery my main CSM force is a combo of footslogging NM and cultists the cultists form a nice meaty screen the Stormies are there to threaten and possibly assainate a unit but they could be cheaper the hydra is a cheap effective AA unit with interceptor im trying to keep the cost below 500pts

The vets definitely need a ride. They're just too soft and squishy otherwise. Probably the same for the CCS

The lascannon on the stormtroopers doesn't really fit, their main shooting is short-ranged and they'll likely be moving around.

And yeah, a Vendetta is the best anti-air you can get, really. Plus it also smashes ground vehicles.

Crimson-King2120 wrote:
Theres a pic in my gallery my main CSM force is a combo of footslogging NM and cultists the cultists form a nice meaty screen the Stormies are there to threaten and possibly assainate a unit but they could be cheaper the hydra is a cheap effective AA unit with interceptor im trying to keep the cost below 500pts

The problem with hydras are two fold; one, they lack interceptor, so they can't shoot at flyers the turn they come from reserve and can only snapfire at ground targets, and two, even against flyers where it gets its normal BS, a single hydra isn't a huge threat against anything but maybe the orc flyers at AV10, even AV11 means a 50% chance the shot will bounce.

ahh i thought they had interceptor vendetta it is then

I started running Harker and I've been really happy with him.
forward sentries, 3 grenade launchers, heavy bolter and harker is 180 points.
They dish out 6 S5 AP4 shots and 3 S6 AP4 shots, and add +2 to all their cover saves.
Then factor in snare mines, infiltrate, and scoring and you've got a real solid choice.

That frees up your vendetta for the Company Command Squad to ride in.

-Matt

can you take named characters in an allied detachment ?

Crimson-King2120 wrote:
can you take named characters in an allied detachment ?

Yup.

For me it looks like this

CCS with a lascannon and a master of artillery.
Marbo
PCS with flamers
2 blobbed squads with autocannons
1 vet squad with melta in a chimera
2 vendettas(I usually only run one)
and a basalisk.

Some are the models I have, like the 'lisk, other are more for the army I want to create, with lots of footslogging troops.

coolies i may have to try harker then perhaps 2 vens a CCS with all plasma and a melta vet squad


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quick question will an astropaths abillites still work if hey are an allied detachment ?

I don't see any reason why an astropath wouldn't work while allied.