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I haven't fielded my warp talons yet, I am hoping to field them against Necrons. I have fielded my Raptors and usually I start them on the board and try and keep behind cover until I can get close enough to charge in. Now would it be worth it for Warp Talons to DS in? Since they have no shooting attacks, they are pretty much sitting ducks after the DS, unless behind cover. I hear that Necrons are horrible against CC, hence why I want to bring the Warp Talons.

Not going to debate about the relative value of Warp Talons, I am sure you have heard people complain about them before.

I do not use them but have seen people play them 2 different ways:

- deep striking into cover so that they can charge the next turn
- deep striking behind another unit that is already in cc

In both cases, they are being brought in behind something else, so they can charge when ready.

I have never seen them arrive any way but deep strike, and thought there was a rule where they had to deep strike. Maybe not, but either way: they are very fragile and should not be put in situations where people can shoot them before they are ready for an assault.

Warp Talons are for disrupting backfield camping units. As stated above the best way to deep strike them is behind cover, though you could walk them up the board(I don't think there is a rule that forces them to enter VIA deep strike). I would mark them with either MoT or MoN. 5 3+/4+ dual lightning claws wreck Necrons. Then again anything built for cc does.

Yea, I was going to run them with MoT for the 4+ invul

I wouldn't do a squad larger than 5 and don't bother with boons. 5 Tzeentch Warp talons will be enough to cause a distraction and eat lots of crons.

It is a lot of points sunk in a unit that can't score, and poses no threat to vehicles or monstrous creatures.

Unless you are building an entire army that deepstrikes/infiltrates you are just handing points over to your opponent. Necrons will just eat them up with a tomb spider or a short burst of tesla fire.

Assaulting rear armor, they have the chance to glance vehicles to death on 6s. If I remember correctly shielding doesn't protect rear armor.

Granted there are better options than warp talons, but the op wants to try them.

 l0k1 wrote:
Assaulting rear armor, they have the chance to glance vehicles to death on 6s. If I remember correctly shielding doesn't protect rear armor.

Granted there are better options than warp talons, but the op wants to try them.

Which makes them worse than just about everything else in the book. Raptors and even regular CSM have krak grenades. (and access to melta guns).

Necrons are I2 across the board, so you are likely to blind a unit if you deep strike close. Deep striking within 6" is dangerous, so dont count on the blind effect to protect them.
Necrons also dont have a ton of low ap fire, so MoN might be a better mark than MoT to help shrug off the gauss and tesla spam.

I would walk them up usimg a meatsheild of cultists or even a vindicator then leap out when you are ready to crack skulls

If you're going to use them, the biggest thing is cover. Keep them in it. At all times. Hopefully they will help draw fire (away from your other units) as they work their way up the field (haven't seen anyone really risk Deep Striking them yet). Also, as someone above me mentioned, in your specific case, MoN might be a better choice.

I want to try them out with my Tau (because I like the models and want to paint some red-corsairs).. I was planning on deepstriking them, and having some stealth teams with fusion blasters deepstrike in too to provide a bunch of targets.
Basically, I'm saying I think they would work best if they aren't the only thing the cron-player wants to point their guns at.

 Dr. Serling wrote:
Necrons are I2 across the board, so you are likely to blind a unit if you deep strike close. Deep striking within 6" is dangerous, so dont count on the blind effect to protect them.
Necrons also dont have a ton of low ap fire, so MoN might be a better mark than MoT to help shrug off the gauss and tesla spam.

MoN might help, but MoK will ensure that in combat they will completely wipe whatever they attack baring 2+ or 3++. (No WBB)

crons also have a ton of str4 units that will likely be dead before they get to strike or str6-7 that wont really be reduced by T5.

not to mention they have str6-7 spam.

Will have to look at the cost, but i think against crons, MoK might be the best answer

Stealthsuits + Warptalons? That's giving your opponent 2 expensive units in his side of the field to take down.

I was thinking about using them with Tau and using the tetra to reroll the scatter. But this is in a list that is very cost efficient so it gives me a bit of wiggle room for an expensive unit. That and opponents generally move up quickly on Tau, giving me an extended backfield to deepstrike into.

It really bothers me that these guys have no shooting weapon. So they deepstrike, pray they don't scatter, and just sit there. Then it's your opponents turn. Hope he really doesn't mind that expensive and small unit that will murder the crap of out a unit if he ignores it. So now I'm wondering if they'll even be worth it as a distraction.

Why couldn't they have made a unit that is specifically designed to take down Paladins? I just have a hard time seeing a unit that's only designed to take down MEQ.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Stealthsuits + Warptalons? That's giving your opponent 2 expensive units in his side of the field to take down.

To be fair, it's two teams of stealth suits and shadowsun. So far that combo has really confused people into not managing to finish off any of them.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
I was thinking about using them with Tau and using the tetra to reroll the scatter. But this is in a list that is very cost efficient so it gives me a bit of wiggle room for an expensive unit. That and opponents generally move up quickly on Tau, giving me an extended backfield to deepstrike into.

I though the marker beacon only worked on Tau units?

You're right. I thought the marker beacon just affected your own deep striking units. In that case I don't think I'd risk running them at all.

In the case of warp talons though, I think you're already in the realm of being more "fun" than "competitive".

 l0k1 wrote:
Assaulting rear armor, they have the chance to glance vehicles to death on 6s. If I remember correctly shielding doesn't protect rear armor.

Granted there are better options than warp talons, but the op wants to try them.

QS doesn't protect Rear Armor, but it's still AV 11 there, so you won't be able to glance the vehicles to death.

If the Warptalons made it into combat with the squad fully intact, I'd say they have a pretty good chance of mulching a squad of Warriors/Immortals.

MoK would make them hit like a truck, but I'd say MoN is better for TAC lists. The Marks are really expensive though, so keep that in mind.