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2013/01/04 14:06:31
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
In November, I wrote about Joseph June, a Florida man sentenced to five years in prison for cocaine possession. The cocaine was found in a search that stemmed from a “consensual encounter,” one into which both parties entered voluntarily; the officer had no reason to suspect that June was engaged in illegal activity, and just stopped him in order to chat. In the initial piece, I suggested that consensual police encounters are often anything but. Cops have guns, and handcuffs, and cars with back doors that don’t open from the inside. Even if a police officer is polite as pie, he or she will have the upper hand in most conversational situations. As a consequence, most ordinary citizens will feel compelled to talk with a police officer even when, legally, they don’t have to.
Since then, I’ve received a lot of emails from readers asking what, exactly, you should do if you find yourself in a supposedly consensual conversation with an officer of the law. Apparently a lot of innocent, non-suspicious-looking people have been or expect to be pressured into gratuitous interactions with the police. And, from the emails I’ve received, a lot of people have no interest in talking to the law in these situations. Which, to be sure, is their right. You’re under no obligation to talk with a police officer in non-investigatory situations, and you shouldn’t be intimidated into feeling otherwise. (And to be clear, I’m not talking about those times when a cop stops you for speeding, or jaywalking, or stealing an old woman’s purse. In scenarios like these, when there’s reasonable suspicion that you’ve done something wrong, you’re obliged to cooperate, and refusal to comply may lead to your arrest.)
The simplest answer is that you need to be explicit. It’s up to you to assert your rights. If an officer of the law stops you for a conversation, make it clear that you are uninterested in participating. Ideally, the officer will move on, and the encounter will end. Sometimes, the cop might become offended or truculent and use force or other means to compel you to stay. In this scenario, you might eventually end up in court, which is why you want to make sure that your actions are as clear as possible.
In an excellent, thorough 2001 article for the San Diego Law Review, Daniel J. Steinbock proposed a three-step approach for avoiding unwanted consensual police encounters, informed by the relevant case law. Making the good point that not all police-citizen interactions are adversarial—sometimes, a cop just wants to buy you some boots—Steinbock suggests that citizens answer an officer’s request for conversation with “Why?” or “What is the reason, officer?” If the reason is anything other than overtly benign, or if the police officer gives a non-answer (something like “This’ll just take a minute”), Steinbock suggests you proceed to the second step: “Just Say No.”
He writes:
The crux of avoiding a consensual encounter is noncooperation—refusal to answer questions and to consent to police requests. As noted above, this requires a fair degree of self-confidence and a willingness to flout the conventions of common discourse (which, of course, this is not). Nevertheless, it is the sine qua non of consensual encounter avoidance. "Can we see your driver's license?" "No!" "What are you doing here?" "I am not answering," or less politely, "None of your business."
Saying "no" once may not be enough. Some courts have held that continued badgering after a first refusal causes the encounter to cross the line to a seizure, but others have permitted repeated questioning and requests for consent to search without concluding that a seizure had taken place. A reasonable person would thus be well-advised to say "no" repeatedly, and to reject any attempt by the officer to accompany her if she tries to leave. Some courts have found it significant that the refusals were delivered in a shout or scream, or that the individual ran from police in an attempt to get away. The cases thus not only encourage flatly rebuffing the officer's inquiries, but also encourage doing so in the rudest, most confrontational, and most obnoxious manner.
Take note: Being obnoxious is not a crime. (If it were, we would’ve executed Urkel 20 years ago.) Steinbock goes on to note that saying “no” also means never saying “yes,” because “refusal looks more suspicious if it comes after the individual has already cooperated.” Next, Steinbock encourages you to “announce one’s intent to depart and then do so at a measured pace.”
“A measured pace?” you ask. “But didn’t Steinbock just pretty much say (in the above blockquote) that it’s sometimes OK to run from the police?” Good catch, hypothetical back-talking reader. Steinbock was referring to the 1991 Fourth Circuit opinion on US v. Wilson, in which the court found it significant that Albert Wilson had to run from police in order to terminate an extended and involuntary encounter. But the courts aren’t entirely consistent on this point. In other cases, like Illinois v. Wardlow, flight has been interpreted as providing reasonable grounds for a search and seizure. It’s all very ambiguous.
There are certainly times when running away is justified. (In US v. Wilson, for example, cops followed Albert Wilson through an airport and refused to stop badgering him, despite Wilson’s numerous loud attempts to end the encounter.) But, in general, you don’t want it to appear like you're trying to flee from the police. No matter how the courts might eventually interpret your actions, to a police officer, running away generally looks suspicious; a cop might reasonably argue that your sudden flight transformed the encounter from a consensual one to an investigatory one.
In a recent email exchange, Steinbock told me that he still stands behind this three-step approach. Other people have different strategies. Emailer K.K. from Arizona, a frequent videotaper of police encounters, writes that he carries orange business cards that he hands out to police in these situations. They read like this: “This interaction is NOT consensual, and is being audio and video recorded for my safety as well as yours. I am invoking my Fifth Amendment rights and refusing to answer ANY questions. Please do not ask me any questions without my attorney present. I furthermore invoke my Fourth Amendment rights and do NOT consent to ANY searches of my persons and or property.” If you’ve got a functional printer and a line on some high-quality card stock, you can make this technique work for you. The point is to be explicit, such that both the cop and any potential judge down the line would have no way of mistaking your intentions.
To be clear, I think police officers have tremendously stressful jobs, and I think the vast majority of them approach their work with the best intentions. But I also think it’s important for citizens to know their rights, and many of us don’t understand what rights we’re afforded when we’re stopped by the cops. We live in a society of laws, and as long as those laws set limits on police-citizen encounters, those limits should be well understood and respected by all relevant parties.
I know this site has a few lawyers and LEO types, so I would be interested to hear what they thought of this. On the surface, it seems like being a jerk isn't a winning strategy when dealing witha membe rof law enforcement, but then again I know very little about this subject.
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2013/01/04 14:13:21
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
I make it my policy not to walk around with cocaine or other narcotics on my person, or take long walks with hookers, or carry a flash drive full of kiddy porn.
However, this is decent advice. Know your rights.
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2013/01/04 14:20:28
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
To what extent do US police hang around waiting to harass people for no particular reason?
I mean, are there any data on the number of "consensual" compared to "investigatory" encounters, or is this another piece of Internet fuelled bolshie bs?
The chief occupation of police is hanging around doing nothing, though preferably purposefully.
Honestly most cops I see are sitting in their cars waiting for crime to happen. occasionally I see them driving to and from the station, or even patrolling the streets (this is the least occurring event).
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2013/01/04 14:28:29
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
Kilkrazy wrote: To what extent do US police hang around waiting to harass people for no particular reason?
I mean, are there any data on the number of "consensual" compared to "investigatory" encounters, or is this another piece of Internet fuelled bolshie bs?
That depends on state and municipality. Some states hav ea "Stop and Frisk" law. Others do not. I'm not an expert on such laws, so I'm not even 100% certain what a "stop and Frisk" law means.
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2013/01/04 14:32:01
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
Kilkrazy wrote: To what extent do US police hang around waiting to harass people for no particular reason?
I mean, are there any data on the number of "consensual" compared to "investigatory" encounters, or is this another piece of Internet fuelled bolshie bs?
No idea. I've never experienced this.
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2013/01/04 14:43:51
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
It sounds like the old "suss" law in the UK, under which police were allowed to stop and search people on the suspicion that they might be up to no good. (Behaviour like being black in a built up area and such like.)
Depends on the 'type' of police/cop with me on how I interact with them. County and City Officers I am polite enough to and will carry on a conversation with if need be, but if I didn't want to talk all it takes is a "I am late for .........." or something along those lines. I work with inmates every day anyway so talking to local officers is no big deal to me because most of them 'think' they are more important than they really are.
State Police (at least where I live) I will be as nice as possible to. Most are built like brick *******houses and look mean enough to rip a guys head off with just a flick of the wrist. Those guys are probably (and some are) the nicest guys around, but I try to avoid drawing any attention to myself when I see them. I am not going to do anything illegal, they just make me nervous and anyone that is nervous usually gets eyeballed more.
2013/01/04 14:53:07
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
Highway 59 runs from Houston into NE Texas, and T's off on a number of other major highways and interstates. It's a known "drug corridor" where smugglers from Mexico bring in their contraband and it gets handed off to other dealers and such.
You see cars pulled over all of the time, with cops and K9 units going through people's trunks and truck beds. All of the freaking time.
When I was in college, my roommate and I drove from Ruston, LA to Houston, TX to visit a buddy that had a summer internship there. We used HW59 to get there and back. On the way back, it looked like it might rain, so we wrapped up our luggage in garbage bags and put them in the bed of my truck (small cab). So, you had a pair of 19-20 year-olds driving an old pick-up truck with a couple of large black trash bags in the back.
We get pulled over and I knew I wasn't speeding. The cop asked me to come to the back of the truck and asked me who I was, who the person in the car was, where I was going, where I was coming from, what was in the bag, and so on. He then told me to stand by his car and asked my roommate the same questions. I guess he heard what he wanted to hear and let us both go without even searching the truck. I don't think he even took our IDs to call in to see if we had warrants.
I'm fairly certain it was a drug stop.
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2013/01/04 15:01:35
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
There are many many many times people are stopped, searched, questioned and nothing at all is found and they are not doing anything illigal, but why is it so many of these sortys start the same "This person was stopped by the police for no reason at all and found to be carrying drugs!"?
A guy I used to work with hated the police. He said they harrased him because he was twice stopped and searched "for no reason at all" and twice charged with possession of class A drugs.
Anyway, I don't see what is wrong if the police stop and ask to talk to you to smile and "I'm sorry officer, but I'm running late" and walking off. No need to start quoting law, that just makes it look like you are hiding something. Perhaps it's something to do with the diffrent style of policeing in the US that people are intimidated.
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2013/01/04 15:14:38
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
Once in the UK, I was carrying my blind drunk wife through Leicester Square. The police stopped me on suspicion of being an abductor but I was able to show we had bank cards in the same name.
Three times I have been stopped by police in Japan on suspicion of being white in an international airport.
Kilkrazy wrote: I have been stopped four times by the police.
Once in the UK, I was carrying my blind drunk wife through Leicester Square. The police stopped me on suspicion of being an abductor but I was able to show we had bank cards in the same name.
Three times I have been stopped by police in Japan on suspicion of being white in an international airport.
was your wife drunk and is normally visually impaired, or was she so stinking drunk she could be construed as blind?
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2013/01/04 15:30:03
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
I use to work overnights as a manager of a receiving office. When I drove a beat up, old Oldsmobile Cutlass through town around 2AM everynight I was stopped frequently by local cops for the following reasons:
1. Loud muffler
2. Stuff hanging on my rear view mirror
3. Speeding (2 over going down hill)
4. No light on my license plate, etc.
All of which are technically crimes, but I never got a ticket. Instead they just wanted to eyeball me and make sure I wasn't drunk. Once I upgraded my car to a new, Buick Century I was never pulled over again.
However, this is a bit different than being engaged in random "consensual" engagement so I could be eyeballed to see if I was drunk.
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2013/01/04 15:46:03
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
Kilkrazy wrote: I have been stopped four times by the police.
Once in the UK, I was carrying my blind drunk wife through Leicester Square. The police stopped me on suspicion of being an abductor but I was able to show we had bank cards in the same name.
Three times I have been stopped by police in Japan on suspicion of being white in an international airport.
was your wife drunk and is normally visually impaired, or was she so stinking drunk she could be construed as blind?
Falling down drunk.
A Japanese girl had recently been raped while drunk in London so I thought they were doing a good job.
I've been pulled over three times, twice for speeding, once for not burning my headlights, and never gotten a ticket. I also had a regular customer at work who was a cop who came in everyday after getting off and he was a pretty cool guy. Never had a bad experience with the law, personally.
2013/01/04 16:12:02
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
Kilkrazy wrote: It sounds like the old "suss" law in the UK, under which police were allowed to stop and search people on the suspicion that they might be up to no good. (Behaviour like being black in a built up area and such like.)
Don't get me started on that
Still, not as bad as American customs - probably the most obnoxious people I've ever met. It's a wonder that anybody gets into America. If the Native Americans of New England had custom workers, the early colonies wouldn't have stood a chance!
If there are customs workers on this site, they can take a long walk off a cliff edge
Are American police obliged to tell you your rights if you ask for them?
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2013/01/04 16:13:09
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
Are American police obliged to tell you your rights if you ask for them?
When you are arrested, they are required to tell you your Miranda rights.
..The person in custody must, prior to interrogation, be clearly informed that he or she has the right to remain silent, and that anything the person says will be used against that person in court; the person must be clearly informed that he or she has the right to consult with an attorney and to have that attorney present during questioning, and that, if he or she is indigent, an attorney will be provided at no cost to represent her or him.
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2013/01/04 16:21:46
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
Are American police obliged to tell you your rights if you ask for them?
When you are arrested, they are required to tell you your Miranda rights.
..The person in custody must, prior to interrogation, be clearly informed that he or she has the right to remain silent, and that anything the person says will be used against that person in court; the person must be clearly informed that he or she has the right to consult with an attorney and to have that attorney present during questioning, and that, if he or she is indigent, an attorney will be provided at no cost to represent her or him.
Sorry for not making myself clearer. I meant, do they tell you your 4th/5th amendment rights? i.e do you have to talk to them? Or can you ignore them as people have mentioned earlier.
This reminds me of something I need to look into before I head back to America. What rights do foreign tourists have in America? If I try and pull the stunt that is mentioned in the article, they'll laugh at me for being non-American. Although they should be jealous
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2013/01/04 16:22:02
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
Are American police obliged to tell you your rights if you ask for them?
When you are arrested, they are required to tell you your Miranda rights.
..The person in custody must, prior to interrogation, be clearly informed that he or she has the right to remain silent, and that anything the person says will be used against that person in court; the person must be clearly informed that he or she has the right to consult with an attorney and to have that attorney present during questioning, and that, if he or she is indigent, an attorney will be provided at no cost to represent her or him.
The miranda rights are often a point of contention in the average 'Murican's knowledge of the law, the famous "Crime Drama Show" like CSI or Law and Order
Edit: The 4th amendment protects against unreasonable searches and seizures, if a cop sees or smells something illegal (a firearm on the seat of the car, smell of pot, paraphernalia like a pipe, visible drugs or suspected stolen goods), then they are allowed to search your persons and or car without a warrant.
The 5th amendment is well known enough, but that doesn't stop the police from pressuring you a bit.
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2013/01/04 16:22:39
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
Are American police obliged to tell you your rights if you ask for them?
When you are arrested, they are required to tell you your Miranda rights.
..The person in custody must, prior to interrogation, be clearly informed that he or she has the right to remain silent, and that anything the person says will be used against that person in court; the person must be clearly informed that he or she has the right to consult with an attorney and to have that attorney present during questioning, and that, if he or she is indigent, an attorney will be provided at no cost to represent her or him.
They are also required to make a witty and/or ironic statement/barb as they slap cuffs on you, or at least that is what police procedurals have led me to believe.
2013/01/04 16:25:58
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
Are American police obliged to tell you your rights if you ask for them?
When you are arrested, they are required to tell you your Miranda rights.
..The person in custody must, prior to interrogation, be clearly informed that he or she has the right to remain silent, and that anything the person says will be used against that person in court; the person must be clearly informed that he or she has the right to consult with an attorney and to have that attorney present during questioning, and that, if he or she is indigent, an attorney will be provided at no cost to represent her or him.
They are also required to make a witty and/or ironic statement/barb as they slap cuffs on you, or at least that is what police procedurals have led me to believe.
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2013/01/04 16:26:35
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
Kilkrazy wrote:It sounds like the old "suss" law in the UK, under which police were allowed to stop and search people on the suspicion that they might be up to no good. (Behaviour like being black in a built up area and such like.)
That's basically what "Stop and Frisk" is although it is not a consensual encounter which is what the article is concerned with. Terry stops are investgatory, New Yorks Stop and Frisk policy is somewhat different than your average Terry stop.
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2013/01/04 16:44:28
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
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2013/01/04 16:57:57
Subject: How to avoid "Consensual" encounters with the Police
If you want to know if you have to stay and talk/stay/etc I guess the best question is "am I legally obliged to..." And if the answer is no, ask if you can leave.
I don't really have a problem talking with the police, but it is nice to know up front if they seem like they are trying to get you to do things you don't have to.