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So currently i run a fairly large Mechinized force that includes half a dozen Chimeras mixed with armor and airsupport . so my basic tactic is i have my Vets mounted in said chimeras armed to the Teeth With plasma and Demolitions doctrine - And i follow a blitzkreig " Bat outta hell " drive into the enemy lines wrecking as much havoc as possilbe - most of the time in 5th i expected about 12% Casualties ( i did the math hammer at some point ) now in 6th edition i expect around 85% casualties ( although i have never been defeated as far ) Now what happens during this my Vendetta Pair are doing fly bys popping enemy heavy armor and deploying Shocktroopers ( x3 Meltas , Demolitions , carapace - expensive but effective ) under the cover of Leman Russ battle tanks with the assistance of Kasrkin Stormtroopers conducting Critical Strikes on enemy HQ's and MC's --- All in all by the time the Battles over i suffer from 65%-85% Casualties while having Full Obliteration of my Foes . Now is their someway i can reduce my Casualties ? most of the Deaths are caused by Explodeing Chimeras and the downed Vendetta every so often ( Irene I say again Irene ! )

The issues that i see are with 6th Edition my Chimera Parking lot has become more resistant to being stopped in their tracks from that rare penetration from the new damage table but is much easier to glance to death

All the Rage in 5th Edtition was Melta guns , Meltas and more meltas , i personally am a Plasma man , With these Melta gun spams are they actually useful ? with my Aggressive Tactics would it be wiser to swap to triple meltas instead of triple plasma ? Im worried about lacking the Flexablilty of the " Double Tap " and the Much shorter range as during my Assualt based charges it is much easier for my Enemy to assualt my Armored wall .

With my Vendettas that Fly CAS ( Close Air Support ) i usually am zooming to avoid any ground fire and still deploy my troops threw Grav- Chute insertion - which i tend to take some risk on near the rear of enemy Armor formations to act as an Anvil while my Chimeras hit as a Hammer , This Anvil is combine with 2 Vendettas , 2 Shock Squads as well as 2 Stormtroopers squads ( 10 man squad ,x2 plasma guns )

can i get your guys help ?

Post your full list?

Rough list -


CCS- 4 Plasma guns ( Chimera )
Pysker ( double FOC )

Troops ( All in Chimeras

Vet Squad - 3 plas - demo

Vet Squad - 3 plas - demo

Vet Squad - 3 plas - demo

Vet Squad - 3 plas - Demo

Vet Squad - 3 plas - Demo

Vet Squad - 3 plas - demo

Shock troopers -

Vet Squad - 3 Melta - Demo - Carapace
Vet Squad - 3 Melta -Demo- Carapace

Heavy Support -

Excutioner w/plas sponsons ( about 3-4 )


Fast Attack -

Vendetta

Vendetta


Elite -
Stormtrooper - 10 man x2 Plasma Guns
Stormtrooper - 10 man x2 plasma guns

Aside from lacking non-chimeraflamer anti-horde, your list is crisp and solid.

Only thing I'd alter is cutting the 10 man stormies to 5 and using them as precise plasma-delivery, taking the Carapace from the meltavets (not needed) and tacking in a Manticore or Medusa.

Something S10 to slap around those deathstars; Manticore would be preferred to give you some barrage Anti-horde.

3-4 Executioners with PC sponsons. 8 Chimeras filled with super-upgraded Vets and 10-strong Stormies. Just how many points are you playing at, just to get a measure?

Meltas are as useful as ever, the special weapon of choice if you want to get close, but plasmas are fine as long as you aren't going for the really big stuff.

What I would do is try to make the deaths hurt less rather than prevent the deaths entirely (that's quite a difficult task for the Guard). 3 plasmas and demo doctrine makes for pretty expensive Veterans, let alone Carapace on your shock troops. One squad costs 160 pts? Wow! Maybe it would help to restrict their kit to special weapons in good old mech IG style, going for more squads in more Chimeras who will have less individual firepower but make it possible to shrug off losses more easily.

 Kasrkin229 wrote:
Now is their someway i can reduce my Casualties ?

Nope. IG don't reduce casualties, we spam more of the unit so even when you kill three of them there's still another one left. Stop spending points on expensive upgrades (carapace armor) and spend those points on bringing more units.

We mostly play at 3,500 Points - with no apoc ( i own titans so they banned them in the store ) and none of the folks have Land raiders they just spam the hell out of marines and termies --- Some of it is my model selection but im looking at what i should aquire in order to make this work out better - Yeah i know those docs are expensive but they ahve thus far fit my Combat style REALLY well

 Kasrkin229 wrote:
We mostly play at 3,500 Points - with no apoc ( i own titans so they banned them in the store ) and none of the folks have Land raiders they just spam the hell out of marines and termies --- Some of it is my model selection but im looking at what i should aquire in order to make this work out better - Yeah i know those docs are expensive but they ahve thus far fit my Combat style REALLY well

Well there's part of your problem. Stop playing the game at such ridiculously high point levels, 3000+ is Apocalypse, and anything over 2000 points is way too high for standard 40k to be balanced.

Also, if your store has banned your titans you should ban the store from your wallet.

I dont buy from them -- they tried to Ban my Elysian list because it destroyed 2 flying bakerys at the same time -- I didn't think 2 Reavers is that hard to fight when you spam deathwing ---- I have played several 2k point games where i steam roll em , the only time such casualties are inflicted are during the opening turns of brutal engagements -- Should i stop going all together ?

 Kasrkin229 wrote:
I dont buy from them -- they tried to Ban my Elysian list because it destroyed 2 flying bakerys at the same time -- I didn't think 2 Reavers is that hard to fight when you spam deathwing ---- I have played several 2k point games where i steam roll em , the only time such casualties are inflicted are during the opening turns of brutal engagements -- Should i stop going all together ?

Uh...

They sound pretty damn controlling. Unit-refusal should be up to the opponent.

I'd be disgusted if my LGS owner told me I couldn't bring one of my models. (Unless it was vulgar/offensive.)

They sound super douchey. But personaly I'd cut the stormies down to 5x Men teams with 2 meltas in each they cam get nice and close and blow up tanks or ID T4 guys which ever you prefer the extra points from that will get you a Chimera loaded with Plasma Vets (170pts excatly).

If you drop all the Demo doctrines off the Plasma Vet squads you will be able to buy another Plasma Vet Squad and have 10pts left over giving you 8x Plasma vet squads.

The big difference between IG Mech lists in 5th & 6th is distance. In 5th if you got in your opponents face you had your Chimera as an extra layer of Armour to protect you before dying. In 6th if you try and do this it bye bye Vehicles by taking plasma vets in the Chimeras it gives you better reach you can sit between 12"-24" and still kill things effectivley with plasma if you take melta you need to close a bigger gap and get within 1"-6" for the meltas to be effective which is a lot more dangerous for your guys.

Honestly I don't see the problem, who cares about casualties when you said it yourself that you haven't lost anyway. I can understand in real life since troops can't dust themselves off from bullet wounds but this is 40k. Seems like your asking for help in untterly crushing your opponents while losing no troop instead of just winning, which I don't agree with.

 Spartan089 wrote:
Seems like your asking for help in untterly crushing your opponents while losing no troop instead of just winning, which I don't agree with.

Wait. You have a problem with looking to win as completely as possible?

I'm also confused. If you're regularly tabling opponents, what's the problem? If you lose 80% of your army and they lose 100% of theirs, that's still a crushing victory.

You are fielding 106 guardsmen (in flimsily armored Chimeras) at 3500+ points and you wonder if it's normal that you have 85% casualties ?

Agreed I don't use veterans on a normal basis, preferring the cheap and crappy grunts, but I have more than that at 1500 pts ...
Hell, yesterday I fielded 5 various Russes, 95 grunts plus 9 upgraded (extra crewmen) Rapier and Sabre at 1850 ...
Of course I don't expect my squads to be really dangerous all by themselves, but I don't care if I lose a full 45-guy platoon

Yeah, I agree with the captain, what you've got going on now was solid in 5th, and, if anything, solider in 6th.

Pretty much the only thing I'm not sold on is the plasma. They only got a little bit better against most vehicles, while the meltagun is still king.

Especially in a world where hull points are temporarily scaring people into AV13+ vehicles.

 TheCaptain wrote:

 Spartan089 wrote:
Seems like your asking for help in untterly crushing your opponents while losing no troop instead of just winning, which I don't agree with.

Wait. You have a problem with looking to win as completely as possible?

In tournament play sure, but in terms of casual play not really. But don't misconstrue what I mean, I believe in always playing to win, but you can do with both sides having a good time. However if you looking for "crushing" victories every time you play you are going to either find less and less people willing to play you or your games becoming a lot more heated, in a bad way.

From the way you're describing your games, it sounds like you might be happier playing a few rounds with these guys instead of Hoorahing kids at the local gaming store:

www.goarmy.com

Well , what I'm aiming to do is reduce my casualty percentile by at least 33% which is a massive number , while trying to inflict as much damage as possible - reason I'm trying to crush these poor blokes - And speaking of your Army referance - Yeah I think I'll start playing more guys in my unit , tried jumping into a different pool , You in the army ? MOS ? I'm 11B

 Kasrkin229 wrote:
Well , what I'm aiming to do is reduce my casualty percentile by at least 33%

Guard aren't marines. If too much stuff is dying, stop wasting points on so many doctrines, and take more guys.


Your list is pretty shocking, not bad, but man you must love plasma! I'd downgrade some of that to melta and move the executioners around to get some anti-horde which would also free up some points, for more stuff!

If the bulk of your losses are from exploding chimeras, Why not do something to keep them alive better?
Do you really run 3500 points and a single force org?

Want to cut your losses in half? Run twice as many men.
Vets might be the most cost effective plasma to put on the table (maybe after exterminators), but you still end up with a high cost per model with T3 and 5+ save.

You could run a minimum sized flamer platoon (just load up the PCS and PIS with flamers), and mount them all in chimeras. Use the platoon to charge on point and have their chimeras screen the vet rush.

325 points gets you 3 chimeras and 6 flamers. Also gives a 5+ cover to all the vet chimeras advancing behind them.

How is the demo charge working for you? I found that a pair of plasma pistols for the vet sarg worked better for me, for 10 points cheaper. The extra 2 plasma shots out of the top is useful.

-Matt

 Kasrkin229 wrote:
You in the army ? MOS ? I'm 11B

No way! I'm going 11X this summer. Just have to clear my last physical.

Thanks for your service, man.

Yes I absolutely love Plasma , never leave the house with out it , as for the demo charges , I have never actually hit my own troops with it , but I find it leads to a major shock when you wipe out 6 Terminators with a good toss , I gives you incredible flexibility when closing with armor - Now to my loss ' s I'm trying to expand the amount of troops I have in order to fill what you' guys have suggested , with the strong MEQ base in my area it's difficult to bear bringing flamers when I can ignore their damn armor like its butter ---- Oh infantry eh ? Hurry up and wait you'll learn that pretty quick during "processing " eat as many sweets as you want before hand because you won't have em later . As for the gas chamber , no matter how Hungary you are don't eat almost any lunch , its the one day they let you have whatever you want ( bastards) and if its not on the list DON'T BRING IT. , you'll have DI's literally pop out of the ground like Marbo and eat oh alive


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