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Who, in your opinion is the good'est' guy in the 40k lore, and the most evil?
To me:
Good- Sanguinius, probably
Evil- Algol the Skintaker

Its all grey to me.....


40k might as well be color blind.

Good - Calgar, Grimnar.
Evil - any Dark Eldar, any Chaos Daemon/Grater Daemon.

Good: Sgt. Bastognne
Evil: A Dark Eldar character

If by "good" you mean, hunting down and committing genocide against alien and mutant populations then ... yeah, Sanguinius is good. Yeah, he's very very good.

Algol's a pretty cool character. Good to see him brought up.

Good: Empy.

Bad: Too many too name.

Good: Uriah Olathaire
Bad: Fabius Bile might be the most notable one. Most Emperor's Children required Slaanesh fething with their brains to become monsters. Not Bile.

 Manchu wrote:
If by "good" you mean, hunting down and committing genocide against alien and mutant populations then ... yeah, Sanguinius is good. Yeah, he's very very good.

And again why is this a bad thing? If aliens and mutants are threat to Mankind existence then the choice is logical and necessary.
Same way we hunted wolves and dangerous animals for centuries because they were dangerous to people and didn't stop killing them until they stooped being a threat.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
And again why is this a bad thing?

I didn't say it was a bad thing. I said just said, "if you consider genocide against aliens and mutants good."

It's not the killing Aliens and mutants. It's the genocide of Human civilizations who are innocent in that they make or pose no threat to the Imprium and guilty only in that they refuse to accept it as their ruler.

He's not good by today's ethics and standards but then nobody who aids the Imperium is really.

Good: every ork.
Bad: all of the inferior races.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
And again why is this a bad thing? If aliens and mutants are threat to Mankind existence then the choice is logical and necessary.
Same way we hunted wolves and dangerous animals for centuries because they were dangerous to people and didn't stop killing them until they stooped being a threat.

Not all aliens and mutants are a threat, and a not insignificant part of the Great Crusade involves forcefully murdering and annexing peaceful human civilizations who happen to not want to join the Imperium.

Sanguinius is morally largely a good figure, but I don't think he can take the top billing, honestly.

Very Bad: Old Ones

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
If by "good" you mean, hunting down and committing genocide against alien and mutant populations then ... yeah, Sanguinius is good. Yeah, he's very very good.

And again why is this a bad thing? If aliens and mutants are threat to Mankind existence then the choice is logical and necessary.
Same way we hunted wolves and dangerous animals for centuries because they were dangerous to people and didn't stop killing them until they stooped being a threat.

Mutants are a part of mankind. If we seperate out a special kind of people because they allegedly pose a threat then we come to some very bad places.
The Imperium routinely destroys alien populations even if they aren't a threat. Since these aliens are often sentient the only remaining excuse is that they aren't human.
Of course, basing the value of a sentient life, especialy one we can actualy comprehend ( things might be different if no coexistance or at least communication would be possible, perhaps because of the alien's utterly incomprehensible nature, but that is simply not the case for most 40k xenos ) on genetics alone once again leads us to some very dark places.
Besides that, wolves were never a dangerous animal. They have been hunted for many reasons, economical ones ( whaaaaaa, they are eating my sheep! ) superstition and the desire to appear totaly manly. but almost never because they actualy were a threat to human populations.

Sanguinius is quite literally the 40k Jesus. He died for our sins.

 Harriticus wrote:
Sanguinius is quite literally the 40k Jesus. He died for our sins.

This...

Emperor is a God, Horus is a Satan and Sanguinius is a Jesus.
Taken right from medieval lore.

 Harriticus wrote:
Sanguinius is quite literally the 40k Jesus. He died for our sins.

Dafuq? NO !!!
He was stomped by Horus

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
Sanguinius is quite literally the 40k Jesus. He died for our sins.

This...

Emperor is a God, Horus is a Satan and Sanguinius is a Jesus.
Taken right from medieval lore.

ARGH! Burn the vile Arian!

Much of it depends on your Definition of Good and Evil . in order to fight something truely evil , you need another type of Evil ---


Good - SGT. Bastonne --- He has gone threw extreme bounds to rescue troops and unfortunately has never forgotten the names of every trooper he has lost -- a Victim of Circumstance is my thoughts on it


Evil - Tie Between Horus or Dark Eldar

Hum? No he has not? He is cursed with photographic memory, so he remembers every trooper he has lost, not the other way around. He is in true hell.

Honestly, there is no such thing as a good guy in the 40k universe. There is only "Bad" and "Even Worse". Why? Because grimdark.

I guess the closest we come to a "good guy" is the Emperor. I have a strong feeling that he wouldn't approve of a lot of things the Imperium has done now-a-days...

Bad Guy? Like I said, everyone. But, from an IoM standpoint (because majority of the story is written from their POV, and with them as the "protagonists"), likely Horus or the Dark Eldar. At least Horus killed you, the DE like to torture

Good : Imperium Of Man
bad : Anything not human and loyal to mankind

 KingDeath wrote:

Besides that, wolves were never a dangerous animal. They have been hunted for many reasons, the desire to appear totaly manly.

What does that say about a whole Chapter obsessed with piling as many pieces of wolves on themselves as possible?

 washout77 wrote:
Honestly, there is no such thing as a good guy in the 40k universe. There is only "Bad" and "Even Worse". Why? Because grimdark.

I guess the closest we come to a "good guy" is the Emperor. I have a strong feeling that he wouldn't approve of a lot of things the Imperium has done now-a-days...

Bad Guy? Like I said, everyone. But, from an IoM standpoint (because majority of the story is written from their POV, and with them as the "protagonists"), likely Horus or the Dark Eldar. At least Horus killed you, the DE like to torture

That is not true, there are good individuals in the 40k universe.

Uriah had the Emperor come to his house, smash his faith to pieces, but then gave him the choice to join his Great Crusade. Uriah refused, and chose death over such a fate. Why? Because he could see the violent core burning inside the Emperor, he saw the death and suffering the Emperor's ambitions would lead to, and he forsook such a fate, preferring to die a good man, than live with supporting such a thing.

the Emperor is not as bad as it gets, but he is not a moral man.

Let's just say that the Imperium sucks and is slowly dying, although truthfully the only honest-to-goodness person, I know is Zachariah Kersh of the Excrociators. Even though everyone hated him, he stood out for what was pure and right.

Good: Gaunt

Bad: to many to choose from because of grimdark

Good:Garviel Loken, Sanguinius, or Preheresy Horus

Bad: Probably Abaddon. He was vicious and aggressive before the Heresy, but after... A pure madman.

Good: Orks. Theyz not as tricky as those oomies, theyz only fer fightin

Bad: The Hivemind. Tyranids will be the end of all life.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 washout77 wrote:
Honestly, there is no such thing as a good guy in the 40k universe. There is only "Bad" and "Even Worse". Why? Because grimdark.

I guess the closest we come to a "good guy" is the Emperor. I have a strong feeling that he wouldn't approve of a lot of things the Imperium has done now-a-days...

Bad Guy? Like I said, everyone. But, from an IoM standpoint (because majority of the story is written from their POV, and with them as the "protagonists"), likely Horus or the Dark Eldar. At least Horus killed you, the DE like to torture

That is not true, there are good individuals in the 40k universe.

Uriah had the Emperor come to his house, smash his faith to pieces, but then gave him the choice to join his Great Crusade. Uriah refused, and chose death over such a fate. Why? Because he could see the violent core burning inside the Emperor, he saw the death and suffering the Emperor's ambitions would lead to, and he forsook such a fate, preferring to die a good man, than live with supporting such a thing.

the Emperor is not as bad as it gets, but he is not a moral man.

Eh, I was speaking from perspective. While true IRL, in 40k it's important. Who is a bad guy to someone, is a god to someone else. I was speaking from the IoM's point of view, as most of the story is written from their POV.

Their ARE good people in the 40k universe, but most of them aren't in too good a position to make a major change to the story or are dead. And that's the sad realization of the universe, where one of the only ways to get ahead is to be an donkey-cave, join Chaos (and hope you are favorable), or just be lucky and survive long enough.

EDIT: Also, I second Orks being good guys. They really don't have a reason to back-stab you if you bring a good fight to them. That's really all they want, a good fight. They could care less about money, power (in a political sense), or any of that as long as they can bash heads in.

Orkz are so alien in mindset from a human POV that I don't really think they can be morally evaluated.