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Just put my eyes on latest faq and my heart missed a beat.
I'd like RAW and RAI interpretations.

Farseer on wave serpent with a squad, let's say dire avengers.
Can I cast:
Guide on squad
Guide on vehicle
Prescience on squad
Prescience on vehicle
Doom on space marines passing by

Thanks

Insanely, as currently phrased you can't cast at all while embarked.

I suspect that they just meant to make them work like Blessings, but the person assembling the answer had some sort of terrible family tragedy befall them the day that they assembled that FAQ, or perhaps a traumatic brain injury.

Yep sorry it says:

Q: 'Eldar psychic powers (the LoS bit is irrelevant).... Does this mean that they can be used by an Eldar psycher embarked on a Transport?'

A: 'NO'

I think that's pretty clear about the Eldar powers, however I've looked through the rulebook and can't see any reason why you couldn't cast a book power on the vehicle the Farseer is embarked on, but as Eldar transports have no fire points and the book powers require LoS, your not going to be casting them on anything outside the vehicle.

Interestingly it doesn't deny you casting an Eldar power on a unit embarked from a farseer outside of the vehicle.

I just thought that, hopefully, the answer only refers to casting from vehicles to outside.
Something like: can i ignore los requirement to cast outside? No.

Moreover casting while in a vehicle is allowed by the brb and the faq doesn't forbid this.

Am i wrong?

The BRB gives a default position that casting psychic powers on a unit requires LOS to that unit, and that therefore, if you're embarked, you can't cast out of a transport (except for psychic shooting attacks/witchfire out of fire points). The BRB goes on to say that since you can't draw LOS out of your transport, an embarked psyker can only target himself, another unit in the transport, or the transport itself.

Eldar psychic powers, aside from the psychic shooting attacks, were not subject to those restrictions because those restrictions were based on powers requiring LOS; and Fortune, Doom, and Guide do not.

However this new FAQ seems to ignore both the BRB rules and the Eldar codex rules and just says the powers can't be used at all by a psyker embarked in a transport. Which is moronic, and hopefully will be fixed if enough people email GW and ask (politely, mind) WTF they were thinking.

As I read it:
Does this mean that they can be used by a farseer embarked on a transport? No.
Specifically "no" refers to what stated meaning "no, the simple fact that eldar powers do not require los doesn't mean that you can cast while on a transport". Instead you can cast on an embarked squad with the embarked farseer, not because you do not require los (as per faq) but because brb states this (you have los and there is no restriction on casting in a transport).

Eldarcannon is correct. They are not allowed to target units outside the transport with thier guide fortune and doom now. Its a huge hit to my eldar playing friend. He however can target the vehicle he is in and the unit inside since he can see them.

 Mannahnin wrote:


However this new FAQ seems to ignore both the BRB rules and the Eldar codex rules and just says the powers can't be used at all by a psyker embarked in a transport. Which is moronic, and hopefully will be fixed if enough people email GW and ask (politely, mind) WTF they were thinking.

This new Eldar Farseer FAQ is crap. Why continue a punish the Space Elves?

Why, GW.. Why?!

Because RoW is still way OP, not to mention Eldar are now the only Psykers with built in Perils protection.

says the person playing grey knights who is one of the most op cheese ward codexes out there right now. You might have a leg to stand on if the Eldar were point competitive and had a 6th edition codex, but alas they are 4th. If phil kelly writes the eldar codex like the csm codex I don't think we can look forward to a competitive new eldar codex if and when it does come out.

Have you perchance seen what 6th did to the GK codex?

It kept them still one of the top books. While their transports were gross in 5th, they're not dependent on them (and still have Stormravens).

 Grey Templar wrote:
Have you perchance seen what 6th did to the GK codex?

Yes I have and yet while they are not as nasty and op as ward's other codex 'Necrons', they are still plently competitive, the end of 5th was ruined by the crap that Grey Knights pulled...
Boo hoo my halaberds are AP3.. sad panda... I am a terminator with 2 wounds, has grenades, even has grenades that no one else has access too since they took them away in 3rd edition...

Yeah, we are still competitive. I'm not discounting that.

The real problem with Eldar is that their codex is old. Not that other codices are better.

Again, I do not apoligize for my GK awsomness. After 2 editions of suckage I am finally awsome. Your tears give me strength and remind me of what happened in the past.

a lot of us have had bad codexes in the past and even current new ones, csm was cool but not awesomesauce or op and the last codex sucked too... yeah i bet it feels good to have a cheese codex, makes you feel really good when you win, like wow my skill level and this cheese really helped me beat the crap out of this eldar, tau, sm etc codexes.. yeah I feel great about myself...

So this is an exemption to BRB, pg. 67 (Psychic power on embarked units from inside)? I think that is an awfully broad ruling on this FAQ meant to stop fly-by-Doom.

Homer

More like GW bringing the codex into line with the others. needing LoS to put your powers down only seems fair.

Hey, maybe they'll add a new upgrade to your vehicles in the new codex thats gives the vehicle a firepoint for the purpose of casting powers. A soulstone for channeling perhaps.

 Grey Templar wrote:


The real problem with Eldar is that their codex is old. Not that other codices are better.

BT are old and still have some worthy tricks.

Tau is also far outdated but they can dish the pain.

If they want to bring it in line with other codices they need to make the transports flyers or drop them in cost by about 70%. Restricting their psykers from casting in their (currently terribly overpriced) transports is pointless and dumb. And fire points have absolutely nothing to do with Fortune, Doom, or Guide.

Anybody that says Eldar are not competitive is doing it wrong. Granted, their builds are limited and half their units are gimped, but whats left is still powerful.

I'll be glad when the new Eldar 'dex comes out because I'm sick to death of playing against the 70+ Str6 shots per turn army starring Eldrad and the guided Dark Reapers.

Eldrad Guiding Dark Reapers...haven't tried that one yet...

Frankly the whole codex is about gimped.

Dark Reapers are okay, but are pricey for what they do.
Jetseers are too pricey for what they do and how many you generally need.
The general nerf to transports this edition hurt eldar alot, now the psy power eldar nerf hurts a ton on top of that.
The codex is indeed struggling

Maybe they are beating them down to get us ready for 6th ed codex, that will (most likely) come out right before 7th edition?

 Happyjew wrote:
Maybe they are beating them down to get us ready for 6th ed codex, that will (most likely) come out right before 7th edition?

Seems like they're pushing out codexes faster these days, with all the errors they have and all that. Maybe mid-way through 6th, so like 1-2 years


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Getting people to sell off transports just to make them sexy

Thank you so much for the answers. Though I didn't want to start a codex war, your opinions a really appreciated. I didn't know our codex was considered op nor playable lol

Just to be sure that I understood (I've a game today), is my argument at least acceptable?
FAQ forbid me fly-by casting outside the vehicle but I can, as every psyker in the game, target an embarked unit or the transport.

On the other hand, how would you justify (fluff wise) the fact that Eldrad passing by on a wave serpent can't cast fortune on a random psyker footslogging there, while the opposite is completely legal? Eldar powers are soul/warp based, being able to target people through walls, why are they blocked by vehicles, and just one way not the other? :S

 Grey Templar wrote:
Eldar are now the only Psykers with built in Perils protection.

Spell familiars let you re-roll failed psychic tests giving ~50% protection.

 Grey Templar wrote:
More like GW bringing the codex into line with the others. needing LoS to put your powers down only seems fair.

Hey, maybe they'll add a new upgrade to your vehicles in the new codex thats gives the vehicle a firepoint for the purpose of casting powers. A soulstone for channeling perhaps.

LoS powers in all races but Eldar require a Firing Port, non-LOS powers do not. No Eldar power can now be cast from inside a transport. Sounds like an unfair gimp to me.

One of the recent Eldar novels had the Dark Reaper exarch firing out the back door of a Wave Serpent, maybe we get that in the next Codex...

Homer

 Grey Templar wrote:
More like GW bringing the codex into line with the others. needing LoS to put your powers down only seems fair.

Sure it's fair. Well, maybe GW should print only vanilla SM codex and replace covers and sell them as GK, BA, BT and DA. Because that won't be removing other dexes flavour or removing their special skills or anything. It will be bringing them into line. It will be fair.
Having no LOS powers was an Eldar 'thing'. It was hardly game breaking or fluff breaking or rules breaking thing. But yeah, makes perfect sense.

 Macok wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
More like GW bringing the codex into line with the others. needing LoS to put your powers down only seems fair.

Sure it's fair. Well, maybe GW should print only vanilla SM codex and replace covers and sell them as GK, BA, BT and DA. Because that won't be removing other dexes flavour or removing their special skills or anything. It will be bringing them into line. It will be fair.
Having no LOS powers was an Eldar 'thing'. It was hardly game breaking or fluff breaking or rules breaking thing. But yeah, makes perfect sense.

Oh, hadn't you heard? Necrons used up the full allottment of core rule-breaking non-USR special rules! There are none left for other armies!

Yea it seems Eldar kind of got the shaft. Hopefully it will be FAQ'd. But why is everyone so quick to shout cheese at the GK codex? I will admit that it was pretty broken in 5th. Initiative 6 Ap 2 weapons on a terminator with 2 wounds + wound shenanigans was just plain unfair. However Draigowing is far from a tourney winner now. Purifiers come with the Crowe tax plus an additional HQ to hide as Crowe isn't an IC. Coteaz is good but IG can do a better job than most henchmen builds. With the changes to assaulting after disembarking death cultists lost a lot of steam. The vindicare was worthless up until this point and is still hit and miss for an elite choice.

Is the GK codex good? Yes.
Is it broken OMG CHEESE? Far from it.
Also not all of us were bandwagon jumpers. Some of us choose our armies for fluff and cool factor.

Again, I agree the Eldar codex needs a boost but crying because another codex is better than yours is just plain childish. Play to have fun not to win all of the time. If it isn't fun than why are you playing to begin with?