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At the nearest game store to me they insist their is a rule that says you can't use a new codex until at least 1 month after it is released and that it is not legal to use before then?

 TheAvengingKnee wrote:
At the nearest game store to me they insist their is a rule that says you can't use a new codex until at least 1 month after it is released and that it is not legal to use before then?

There is no such rule, they are just afraid to play against something new.

No, but a tournament organiser could set any such rule he pleased.

Is it the staff or the players that enforce this rule?

I would imagine if any such rule has been put into place by the staff, it's to give people the opportunity to learn about what they're going to be playing against. Converesely though, the best way to do this is to play against it, so the sooner the better.

If it's the gamers themselves, they're just scared to play against new things.

In either case, the codex is legal to use upon day of release.

It's the staff, they insist games workshop has a rule stating that you can't use the codex until a month after it is released.

Insist that they show it as written (they won't be able to) or accept it as a house rule.

It's their house, their house rules.

 TheAvengingKnee wrote:
It's the staff, they insist games workshop has a rule stating that you can't use the codex until a month after it is released.

When GW ran events, this was the general rule. GW doesn't run events anymore.

The reason was to give people time to learn the new codecies without having a bunch of new units with new rules sprung on them at a tournament the day after the release.

However, since GW doesn't run tournaments anymore, it's irrelevant. If a TO wants to do this at his tournaments for similar reasons, I don't have an issue with it. But, since I don't play tournaments, I don't really care either way.

 TheAvengingKnee wrote:
It's the staff, they insist games workshop has a rule stating that you can't use the codex until a month after it is released.

There might have been a GW rule that GW Staff could not use the new codexes on release at one time, but as far as the consumer base is concerned it is legal when it hits the shelves.

 TheAvengingKnee wrote:
It's the staff, they insist games workshop has a rule stating that you can't use the codex until a month after it is released.

No such rule exists.

As has been pointed out this is a common practice in tournaments (we have the same one month cool off for our tournaments, for example) where it gives people chance to learn a new codex. It is not, however, a general rule.

If they believe it's a rule, have them point you to where it's documented....

 NickTheButcher wrote:
If they believe it's a rule, have them point you to where it's documented....

They point to the wall, a paper is crudely printed from the stores 10 year old ink jet printer. It reads "house rules".

The upcoming tournament here has a rule saying 1 month as well.

Except the staff are saying it is not a house rule, but a GW rule.

That is what that comment was responding to - asking them to show where GW have said this, not the store

Our local TOs have a cut off of 1 month before a competition for new codices.

This 4 year old GW tournament has the rule being 1 month as well, so if the guys @ the store have been around awhile I can see why they are saying it.

However for friendly games I don't see why the heck it would matter.


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The local Bunker rule for this only affects tournaments, and only states that you can't use new rules on the day they come out. Tournaments are always on Saturdays, so if your army gets a rules update via WD on the day of a tournament you can't use it.

I've found it common to go the other way at some of the more recent events I've seen. Players aren't forced to use the new rules till one month after. This gives them the opportunity to buy the new codex, etc. It does create the possibility of having 2 different rules for the same army, but doesn't prevent a player from participating because payday is the following Friday and he hasn't picked it up yet.

As stated above, the TO's have the final say, it's their game. It doesn't make sense that any store would prevent players from using the new codex for individual games. That or it's just late and Im reading that wrong...

My local GW has events based off the brand new Codex's the weekend after they are released. Clearly this "ruling" by GW is not enforced, if there is one at all outside of a Tournament.

My local club also uses the '30 day waiting period' to use a new codex. At the tourney we just ran, the organizere said that it was A) to give people time to learn the new army and B) to give GW time to get a FAQ out for it.

This isn't quite a rule and more of a good idea. A new codex needs a bit of acclimatisation time, not to mention allowing a FAQ to drop. Nothing os more annoying than a player who counters stuff you do with "oooh, I have a rule for that!" especially when you learn later that he didn't.

Just clam down and keep playing.

A one month embargo is definitely reasonable for tournaments, they told us it was 1 month to use it at all.

Well, you can argue with the person that lets you play in their space, or you can accept their rules.

It's a dumb rule, of course.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
This isn't quite a rule and more of a good idea. A new codex needs a bit of acclimatisation time, not to mention allowing a FAQ to drop. Nothing os more annoying than a player who counters stuff you do with "oooh, I have a rule for that!" especially when you learn later that he didn't.

Just clam down and keep playing.

Not just that
I think that a month should give every other player a chance to buy the codex.

What would be more annoying is something like two Dark Angel armies, both with different rules because one doesn't have the new codex yet.

 Purifier wrote:
No, but a tournament organiser could set any such rule he pleased.

a tournament orginizer can say that models painted pink get a 2++ save, all models carry multimeltas and people named ted have invincible rhinos. But those rules only apply to thier tournament.

 Polonius wrote:
Well, you can argue with the person that lets you play in their space, or you can accept their rules.

It's a dumb rule, of course.

Yup, so if I want to play a new codex I just don't play in the store for a month and play at home with friends, but if I can't play there I don't really stop in so a lot of the new models for my new army will be coming from other places. Normally I like to buy local to help support the store but If I am not going to be going in to play games I probably wouldn't be there at all(the store is about an hour drive one way from where I live, so it's not worth the trip just to shop).

The rule is 30 days for all "sanctioned" GW events. Most TOs also follow this rule and is considered good form to adhere to it as it gives the community ample time to digest what changes may be coming. It helps keep the game moving quickly and not spending a ton of time looking up rules and asking for rulings.

 TheAvengingKnee wrote:
A one month embargo is definitely reasonable for tournaments, they told us it was 1 month to use it at all.

Are you kidding? Are they? How can that possibly be a good idea? Wouldn't they want people to be excited and buying models to field when the codex first comes out?

GW did used to have a one month cutoff for a new codex to be used in their tournaments. Actually still may, at the UK Throne of Skulls, which is the only remaining big GW tournament they put on in the UK, IIRC. Some independent stores and events use the same rule.

Seeing the other question you posted in YMDC, I would probably never play in store where you are, mainly because it sounds like your TOis pants on head. One month embargo for tourneys? good idea. pretty standard. One month in house period? stupid. the purpose for the embargo is to actually learn the book through reading and gameplay, they forgot the gameplay part.

Well I run into the problem that it is literally the only place in the area(or withing 200 miles).

I wonder what they do when a new edition comes out. Ban all games for a month?

I think Mannah touches the real issue. WHY would they set a rule that will sell them less toys?

That said, a month isn't really anything to care about. Use the time to play some friendlies with your mates, get some painting done and read up on strats. A month passes fast and then you're good for a few years until your new book comes out.

It's not hard to wait a month. It just takes time.